Safeguarding English Football (1 Viewer)

mark82 · Dec 11, 2013

Something seriously needs to be done to safeguard English football and its clubs.

As well as us being moved out of Coventry, Cardiff have had their colours & nickname changed and now Hull City are being renamed as Hull Tigers. Add to that, Red Bull are looking to buy an English team and rebrand them. It's getting out of hand and our game is being slowly taken away from us.

It's clear owners don't give a shit about fans feelings and the football league & FA are too toothless to do anything about it. There needs to be some sort of fans body that has the power to stop these crazy whims of foreign owners. At the very least there needs to be some sort of independent review into the state of English football with the aim of putting in greater regulation.

shmmeee · Dec 11, 2013

Would love to see a mass protest of football fans from all the clubs the football authorities in this country have fucked over, it'd be half the league in one way or another.

Government really needs to step in, but I can't see it happening, even though you'd assume it'd be a vote winner.

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 11, 2013

shmmeee said:
Would love to see a mass protest of football fans from all the clubs the football authorities in this country have fucked over, it'd be half the league in one way or another.

Government really needs to step in, but I can't see it happening, even though you'd assume it'd be a vote winner.

Sad though it is, anything that threatens 'free' football on Sky and Champions' League success, probably wouldn't be!

Attitudes need to change, not among the hardcore fans (I'd suggest even at the bigger clubs they recognise the need for 'competition' and 'tradition') but the casual fans who slip a game on with their Sunday roast (not in a footballer's sense!)

Jack Griffin · Dec 11, 2013

shmmeee said:
Would love to see a mass protest of football fans from all the clubs the football authorities in this country have fucked over, it'd be half the league in one way or another.

Government really needs to step in, but I can't see it happening, even though you'd assume it'd be a vote winner.

I expect one or all of the major parties to put something about the governance of football in their manifesto in the lead up to the next election, as you say quite populist.

mark82 · Dec 11, 2013

Maybe something that supporters direct need to lobby for. Something needs doing anyway. I think wherever we stand on our issues we all know what has happened is not right and none of us are happy about it.

dadgad · Dec 11, 2013

The OP has a point though.
This betting scam is also symptomatic of the way the game has lost/is losing its soul - corrupted by cunts with no interest other than greed.

ccfcway · Dec 11, 2013

Red Bull Rovers v Hull Tigers

to be honest, TNS did it years ago

skybluebal · Dec 11, 2013

Do Red Bull know Coventry could be for sale? Perhaps they could buy the Ricoh instead and re-unite club and ground. Red Bull do tend to be successful and do have a lot of money to invest! Fast cars, boats, planes, a brand of thrills! Wouldn't it be great to support such a team!

Things do move on and you either change, adapt, or die (Darwinian theory and no pun on the Hull owners comment). Cov have changed along the way so what's new?
Its a different world today compared with just 20 odd years ago when Sky came along with "loadsa money" and the Premier League.

ccfcway · Dec 11, 2013

we arent up for sale

ccfcway · Dec 11, 2013

would certainly be interesting if it became the "red bull arena" though

SkyBlueHomer · Dec 11, 2013

Didnt Man City fans refuse to go to Emerates last season as a protest about paying high matchday costs? Money talks though and unless the armchair supporters stop paying there subscriptions nothing will happen.

We can only hope people 'grow a pair' and refuse to pay extra for the BT Sports channel when their Champions League coverage starts. I'm 100% sure it won't be free then

ccfcway · Dec 11, 2013

SkyBlueHomer said:
Didnt Man City fans refuse to go to Emerates last season as a protest about paying high matchday costs? Money talks though and unless the armchair supporters stop paying there subscriptions nothing will happen.

We can only hope people 'grow a pair' and refuse to pay extra for the BT Sports channel when their Champions League coverage starts. I'm 100% sure it won't be free then

i'm certainly not going to...

will be interesting to see how they do it. From their point of view, its best to do the old "£5 a month from 1st Aug, unless you cancel".

Not sure if they are allowed to do that though. An "opt in" scheme would be that successful for them

skybluebal · Dec 11, 2013

ccfcway said:
we arent up for sale

I think you will find we are if the right offer comes in and SISU can re-coup their investment. However, I can't see Red Bull paying the £60m SISU wants.

mark82 · Dec 11, 2013

skybluebal said:
Do Red Bull know Coventry could be for sale? Perhaps they could buy the Ricoh instead and re-unite club and ground. Red Bull do tend to be successful and do have a lot of money to invest! Fast cars, boats, planes, a brand of thrills! Wouldn't it be great to support such a team!

Things do move on and you either change, adapt, or die (Darwinian theory and no pun on the Hull owners comment). Cov have changed along the way so what's new?
Its a different world today compared with just 20 odd years ago when Sky came along with "loadsa money" and the Premier League.

Wouldn't want Red Bull for all the success in the world. They would change our name, nickname, logo, colours, everything. Would not be our club anymore.

Talk of them buying Leeds. Liverpool, Everton, Palace & West Ham been mentioned also.

skybluebal · Dec 11, 2013

ccfcway said:
would certainly be interesting if it became the "red bull arena" though

Nice red shirt you have there

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 11, 2013

mark82 said:
Wouldn't want Red Bull for all the success in the world. They would change our name, nickname, logo, colours, everything. Would not be our club anymore.

Yeah, not like I joined up for being a city fan for the glamour and trophies!

skybluebal · Dec 11, 2013

mark82 said:
Would not be our club anymore.

Talk of them buying Leeds. Liverpool, Everton, Palace & West Ham been mentioned also.

The club is the fans, its not the merchandise the stadium the players the owners etc. Without us there is no club. Anyway, why would they buy us when they can buy a club in London?

mark82 · Dec 11, 2013

skybluebal said:
The club is the fans, its not the merchandise the stadium the players the owners etc. Without us there is no club. Anyway, why would they buy us when they can buy a club in London?

They won't. It will be a bigger club.

ccfcway · Dec 11, 2013

mark82 said:
Wouldn't want Red Bull for all the success in the world. They would change our name, nickname, logo, colours, everything. Would not be our club anymore..

agreed, we are lucky to have SISU who have mearly took us away from Coventry (so far)

wingy · Dec 11, 2013

Well IIRC Damien Collin's Governance report Gave the games police and Its members two years to get Its house In order and i think that elapsed last October . So have we seen Progress ,they said they would Legislate otherwise.

Skybluerevolution (Pt2) · Dec 12, 2013

Didn't Jimmy Hill try to rename us Coventry Talbot in the late 70's...he truely was a pioneer - as they are all at it now.

wingy · Dec 12, 2013

Skybluerevolution (Pt2) said:
Didn't Jimmy Hill try to rename us Coventry Talbot in the late 70's...he truely was a pioneer - as they are all at it now.

Did'nt mind the kit to be fair,but don't remember any dissent around his Idea. Maybe I was pre-occupied Studies or the Mrs + Kids at the time.

jimmyhillsfanclub · Dec 12, 2013

The key problem is that despite their vocal protests & outpourings online.....the fans of Cardiff & Hull are still lapping it up.

Cardiff, under their current owner, have seen over £140m of investment, got into the top flight for the first time since WW2 & reached a cup final......

....and they're certainly not the first team to change the colour of their kit or their nickname are they.....

Attendances this season at Hull & Cardiff are better than ever.....

RoboCCFC90 · Dec 12, 2013

skybluebal said:
Do Red Bull know Coventry could be for sale? Perhaps they could buy the Ricoh instead and re-unite club and ground. Red Bull do tend to be successful and do have a lot of money to invest! Fast cars, boats, planes, a brand of thrills! Wouldn't it be great to support such a team!

Things do move on and you either change, adapt, or die (Darwinian theory and no pun on the Hull owners comment). Cov have changed along the way so what's new?
Its a different world today compared with just 20 odd years ago when Sky came along with "loadsa money" and the Premier League.

I am sorry but hell no.

It all looks fantastic that Red Bull have come in to a few clubs all over the world, chucked a bit of money at them and they've started climbing the leagues, but the clubs are franchised with the Red Bull name, stadium names are changed (I wouldn't mind them changing the name of the Ricoh so much, but had it been Highfield road it would have been a no from me), the club's colours are changed and even the crest has been changed!

There have been mass protests regarding these clubs in the not to distant past.

I would rather stick than twist if it ever came to us being tookover by Red Bull.

lift tower · Dec 12, 2013

I dunno, Red Bull Milton Keynes has a nice ring to it. Their impatient, jonny comelately weird fans get some investment in their franchise and AFC Wimbledon are happy as MK finally give up the Dons name that they stole. Its not like there are decades of tradition to protect

mark82 · Dec 12, 2013

Skybluerevolution (Pt2) said:
Didn't Jimmy Hill try to rename us Coventry Talbot in the late 70's...he truely was a pioneer - as they are all at it now.

I wasn't around then so can't comment. I certainly wouldn't be happy if we did it now, even if it meant an immediate return to Coventry.

mark82 · Dec 12, 2013

lift tower said:
I dunno, Red Bull Milton Keynes has a nice ring to it. Their impatient, jonny comelately weird fans get some investment in their franchise and AFC Wimbledon are happy as MK finally give up the Dons name that they stole. Its not like there are decades of tradition to protect

The downside is they would have a shit load of money.

Monners · Dec 12, 2013

I think the FL scotched the idea of Jimmy Hill renaming the club Coventry Talbot. Not sure if I just made that up, or is it a far distant memory stored away somewhere

torchomatic · Dec 12, 2013

As I've mentioned in the past do a search for a great Independent article called "Be Careful What You Wish For". All those Cardiff fans and ours who think someone like PH4 is the answer should read it.

Skybluerevolution (Pt2) · Dec 12, 2013

Monners said:
I think the FL scotched the idea of Jimmy Hill renaming the club Coventry Talbot. Not sure if I just made that up, or is it a far distant memory stored away somewhere

No I think you are right - and the commercial TV companies also had a say - I remember us playing on TV in a red kit, it did not have the Big T detail of our Talbot kit at the time and the TV companies did not want to lose out on revenue...or something along those lines.

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