sacking AT is a terrible decision (1 Viewer)

CJparker · Aug 27, 2012

Just got in after a weekend away (no smartphone) and seen the news - shocking, but not as shocking as the lack of any real defence of AT or criticism of this sacking.

I went to Daggers, Yeovil and Sheff Utd and I did feel we were makign the same mistakes as last season, but 3 games is absolutely no time to make a decision on our progress in a new league, with a new squad.

What if our next manager doesn't win his first 3 games - sack him too???

Tonylinc · Aug 27, 2012

No CJ; for once Sisu have got it right.

Grendel · Aug 27, 2012

I know its so distressing I cant bring myself to talk about it - I'm welling up as I speak.

:claping hands::claping hands::claping hands::claping hands::claping hands::claping hands::claping hands::claping hands::claping hands::claping hands::claping hands:

kg82 · Aug 27, 2012

I hated the amount of talk about him on here and to be honest I'd grown so weary of it all and do think it needs freshening up. So I can't criticise the decision.

TheHellion · Aug 27, 2012

I find the timing strange, I will admit, but if the rumours of unrest behind the scenes are true, then maybe it was a decision that had to be made.

The thing is that there were recurring problems in those three league games. We still couldn't hold onto a lead, which effectively sealed our fate last season. Is it fair to make a judgement on those three games alone? I don't think so. Which is why I have to believe there was something else going on that we've not been told about.

Yorkshire SB · Aug 27, 2012

There's actually been a lot of criticism of the sacking, I for one think it's an unfair decision.

6 Generations · Aug 27, 2012

Andy possesses the knack of discovering promising football talent.

Sadly, he does not possess the knack of nurturing or tactically guiding that talent.

I hope that he finds a scouting job for a top club and wish him well.

Jimmy Hill's Chin · Aug 27, 2012

The way I see it, he was sacked after 60 games not 3. If he had been successful last season does anyone honestly think he'd have only been given 3 games this season? You have to see it in context.

diggerdaley · Aug 27, 2012

I give the new manager a couple of months before people on here turn on him !!

hill83 · Aug 27, 2012

13 wins in 60 games - I've got this on copy and paste.
It is strange timing, but it had to be done, it isn't based on the 4 games this season. It's based on the last 60 games of complete and utter sh*te bar the odd good 20 minutes here or there.

percy · Aug 27, 2012

he got sacked for a number of reasons. one of which could have been they have just got the results back from his uefa b course, could he have failed it???:thinking about:

ccfctommy · Aug 27, 2012

Im no Thorn lover but the timing is appaling.

Thorn gets us relegated, gets a new one year deal.

Thorn signs NINE new players.

Draw thirst three games, unbeaten start and he is sacked?

I personally think Thorn was sacked for something we may not already know...

Glen · Aug 27, 2012

Timing is a total shok and joke but decision is right

skybluedan87 · Aug 27, 2012

hill83 said:
13 wins in 60 games - I've got this on copy and paste.
It is strange timing, but it had to be done, it isn't based on the 4 games this season. It's based on the last 60 games of complete and utter sh*te bar the odd good 20 minutes here or there.

We'll said shite ratio lasted too long imo!

hill83 · Aug 27, 2012

I think people fall into 2 general camps. We all agree sisu didn't help last season.

Camp 1: Sisu are the reason we went down and Thorn was not to blame

Camp 2: Another manager could have done better with what we had, Thorn was to blame.

CJparker · Aug 27, 2012

hill83 said:
13 wins in 60 games - I've got this on copy and paste.
It is strange timing, but it had to be done, it isn't based on the 4 games this season. It's based on the last 60 games of complete and utter sh*te bar the odd good 20 minutes here or there.

If that's the case, then why not get rid of AT in the summer - why let him stay and re-build the side, only to give him 3 games into the new season? This season has been a fresh start, and after one dodgy result the manager is booted out - I fear for us this season.

hill83 · Aug 27, 2012

CJparker said:
If that's the case, then why not get rid of AT in the summer - why let him stay and re-build the side, only to give him 3 games into the new season? This season has been a fresh start, and after one dodgy result the manager is booted out - I fear for us this season.

I can't answer that, and like I said it is strange timing. But after going to the first three league games we didn't look good, and the same mistakes as last season were being made. I'm glad this decision has been made now before it's too late. If we had have given him 10 games and it hadn't worked that would pretty much be a season wasted.

Otis · Aug 27, 2012

CJparker said:
Just got in after a weekend away (no smartphone) and seen the news - shocking, but not as shocking as the lack of any real defence of AT or criticism of this sacking.

I went to Daggers, Yeovil and Sheff Utd and I did feel we were makign the same mistakes as last season, but 3 games is absolutely no time to make a decision on our progress in a new league, with a new squad.

What if our next manager doesn't win his first 3 games - sack him too???

A terrible decision because you think he is the best manager we have ever had? :thinking about:

Mucca Mad Boys · Aug 27, 2012

I for one applaud the decision makers here.

Why? Because they decided he weren't the man, without 'pussyfooting' (yes I nicked off Boris, he's still a wanker though) and letting the situation get worse and acted accordingly.

I'm not saying this is good or bad as I'm reserving my judgement for the new gaffer.

Otis · Aug 27, 2012

It does show they mean business and that this season they see as a massive opportunity to try and get out of this division.

Sky Blues · Aug 27, 2012

Jimmy Hill's Chin said:
The way I see it, he was sacked after 60 games not 3. If he had been successful last season does anyone honestly think he'd have only been given 3 games this season? You have to see it in context.

You do indeed have to see it in context. Even Fisher has admitted Thorn had been 'constrained' last season...

hill83 · Aug 27, 2012

Sky Blues said:
You do indeed have to see it in context. Even Fisher has admitted Thorn had been 'constrained' last season...

Being constrained doesn't absolve from all blame.
Clearly even Fisher himself doesn't think he did a good enough job, even under these constraints.

Otis · Aug 27, 2012

Exactly.

Have been saying ot for months and months, in spite of all the constraints he still hasn't been able to show anything like what was required to be a football manager.

Sky Blues · Aug 27, 2012

hill83 said:
Being constrained doesn't absolve from all blame.
Clearly even Fisher himself doesn't think he did a good enough job, even under these constraints.

I wasn't saying it did, but it does put some context to last season. The evidence of the three league games this year does appear to suggest some of the problems last year were not solely down to Sisu but, likewise, it would be wrong to blame Cov's performance over the last year on Thorn alone.

hill83 · Aug 27, 2012

Sky Blues said:
I wasn't saying it did, but it does put some context to last season. The evidence of the three league games this year does appear to suggest some of the problems last year were not solely down to Sisu but, likewise, it would be wrong to blame Cov's performance over the last year on Thorn alone.

Fair enough, I've heard that excuse so many times I assumed you were!

Grendel · Aug 27, 2012

The debate continues. Thorn clearly has something. Despite the fact he has the worst record in 100 years (and no one knows the "context" of managing the club when David Lloyd George was prime minister) he still has supporters.

Time will tell. We shall follow Andy Thorns future career in football management. Then we can truly judge him. Deep down I think we all know the likely outcome, unless of course you are a publicity seeking radio host or one of his band of devoted followers who always ignore the facts and replace them with sentiment and emotion.

Colonel Mustard · Aug 27, 2012

Sky Blues said:
likewise, it would be wrong to blame Cov's performance over the last year on Thorn alone.

CCFC's performance last year was 100% down to Thorn. That is completely distinct from expectations. We might expect a school team to get thrashed in 46 games, but how they perform in each of those games is attributable to the management.

ajsccfc · Aug 27, 2012

CJparker said:
What if our next manager doesn't win his first 3 games - sack him too???

If those three games follow a pattern that lasted an entire season beforehand sure. Unlikely to be the case with the new man.

6 Generations · Aug 27, 2012

Tim Fisher was forthright and honest this morning. The club will no longer accept mediocracy. The target this year is an immediate return to the Championship.

The negative mindset needs to change to one of positivity now!!!!

We will be employing a 'winner'.

And yes Thorn was somewhat restricted, and that wasn't fair, but life isn't and i think we still had enough to survive. He and the senior players bottled it!!

Did some one say that we surrendered 34 points from winning positions.

The bigger picture is that he led us to 13 victories in 60 games and about 4 of them were during his honeymoon period the season before last.

Mr Fisher attempted to quote Einstein.(badly!), but generally, "if you continue to make the same mistakes and expect different results, then you are bordering on being

insane".

We cannot hold on to a lead!!

Things had to change..

Grendel · Aug 27, 2012

6 Generations said:
Tim Fisher was forthright and honest this morning. The club will no longer accept mediocracy. The target this year is an immediate return to the Championship.

The negative mindset needs to change to one of positivity now!!!!

We will be employing a 'winner'.

And yes Thorn was somewhat restricted, and that wasn't fair, but life isn't and i think we still had enough to survive. He and the senior players bottled it!!

Did some one say that we surrendered 34 points from winning positions.

The bigger picture is that he led us to 13 victories in 60 games and about 4 of them were during his honeymoon period the season before last.

Mr Fisher attempted to quote Einstein.(badly!), but generally, "if you continue to make the same mistakes and expect different results, then you are bordering on being

insane".

We cannot hold on to a lead!!

Things had to change..

Well said. Doubt anyone can argue with that.

Sky Blues · Aug 27, 2012

Colonel Mustard said:
CCFC's performance last year was 100% down to Thorn. That is completely distinct from expectations. We might expect a school team to get thrashed in 46 games, but how they perform in each of those games is attributable to the management.

Sorry, maybe performance was the wrong word. I was referring to the club's relegation generally, not the play on the pitch specifically (though, yes, that does play a part in the larger picture as I have said).

hill83 · Aug 27, 2012

Grendel said:
Well said. Doubt anyone can argue with that.

Are you aware we are on skybluestalk?

ChippoHadjiKeano · Aug 27, 2012

I'm with you CJparker. Thought it was just me for a while after reading all the happy fans after his sacking, but I'd have stuck with him. It's his set of players, he tries to play decent football, and who are we realistically gonna get that's any better? And we should've at least kept him on as chief scout. Seems almost EVERYONE on here wanted him out, yet not heard anyone shouting Thorn out at the games :thinking about:

oakey · Aug 27, 2012

SISU sacked AT because the fans had turned against him, simple as that.
A new cycle will begin now and will end the same way unless something of substance changes: money is spent (unlikely) or the people of Coventry decide to support the team in numbers, regardless of performances, results etc (even more unlikely).
So we are stuck in another circuit in the downward spiral. The new manager cannot do miracles with the negativity of the owners, the hanger-on gossipy corporate backstabbers in the posh seats and the fan base that is so quick to boo and infight.

Otis · Aug 27, 2012

ChippoHadjiKeano said:
I'm with you CJparker. Thought it was just me for a while after reading all the happy fans after his sacking, but I'd have stuck with him. It's his set of players, he tries to play decent football, and who are we realistically gonna get that's any better? And we should've at least kept him on as chief scout. Seems almost EVERYONE on here wanted him out, yet not heard anyone shouting Thorn out at the games :thinking about:

Because we are City fans first and foremost and that clearly would not have helped our plight one jot.

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