I didn’t twist your words, I asked you to clarify them.Like I said, I’ll leave it there. And don’t try to twist my words, Mr ‘Journalist’.
He said he’ll leave it there and it wasn’t him directly. So back off!!I didn’t twist your words, I asked you to clarify them.
Personally I find the idea that being falsely accused of, say, torture is more traumatic than actually being tortured is bizarre. Not sure there are many legal systems that agree with you either.
Doubt Russell is dying tomorrow ... and I'd imagine there's plenty of time to get a conviction if the accusations are true
Yes I do
I don’t expect understanding because unless you’ve been sucked into it it’s impossible to even explain. I’ll leave it there.
I thought Brand was Labour anyhow? Huw I thought was ridiculed for how it came about, but dont recall people wanting him convicted of anything. Not sure theres any political angle hereSome of the hypocrisy revealed based on polticial allegiances (not necessarily in this thread) are fascinating. People who wanted Huw Edwards hung for consensual gay sex but get all “hey man let’s see what the judge says” here.
Were it not for an ITV News investigation and documentary about his sexual abuse, Jimmy Saville would still be remembered as a loveable old eccentric. Much of the previous damage to his public reputation had come from the BBC Louis Theroux documentary.The parallels with Saville are interesting; how much better would it have been if he'd have been investigated with similar vigour by the press. How many victims could have been avoided?
Who said that ? Losing the plot lately youSo until then they’re all lying bitches, right?
You don’t recall the week-long national news debate about whether the BBC had failed to protect a vulnerable child, or whether Edwards had committed a crime?I thought Brand was Labour anyhow? Huw I thought was ridiculed for how it came about, but dont recall people wanting him convicted of anything. Not sure theres any political angle here
Some of the hypocrisy revealed based on polticial allegiances (not necessarily in this thread) are fascinating. People who wanted Huw Edwards hung for consensual gay sex but get all “hey man let’s see what the judge says” here.
Some serious questions to be answered by the production companies, management teams etc. at C4, BBC etc. too isn't there?
In what crazy world is it OK to send a 16 year old female runner to help resolve the tantrums of an egotistical narcissistic power-tripping sex addict battling alcohol & drug addiction....
Yup and you know there will be others too. Maybe this will open another can of worms.Well yes there are. It’s another example of production companies putting their star presenters first and ignoring what I’d imagine were numerous complaints about his behaviour
He’s clearly someone with form for at best inappropriate and unacceptable behaviour
Huw Edwards issue was if he should stay employed- which was in reality impossible. No one wanted him hanged
This is an investigation by The Times not exactly a left leaning publication
Yup and you know there will be others too. Maybe this will open another can of worms.
One person I always expect to hear stories come out about is David Walliams.
May be nothing in it at all, but have always felt there is something off about him.
He has just always given me the creeps.
When you look back at how Brand was back then, it does all make perfect sense doesn't it. All in plain sight, just as with Savile.
I thought Brand was Labour anyhow? Huw I thought was ridiculed for how it came about, but dont recall people wanting him convicted of anything. Not sure theres any political angle here
I’m sure turning to the dark side had nothing to do with his own personal behaviour though. Look how elements of the right are happy to make excuses for the behaviour of individuals like Andrew Tate for example.He took a sharp turn to the right a while ago and started spouting conspiracy theories, (not that that is exclusive to the right).
At the time someone predicted he was doing it to garner support from a community that would blame 'the elites' when the allegations came out.
To be fair he was when he was writing his books and on main stream political programmes
I hadn’t even heard his name for years mentioned
I wasn't aware of that..It came out! He was texting 17 year olds and being creepy af. No one cared.
I wasn't aware of that..
I’m sure turning to the dark side had nothing to do with his own personal behaviour though. Look how elements of the right are happy to make excuses for the behaviour of individuals like Andrew Tate for example.
Talking of Tate is it right that Brand has gone down the whole Matrix I’ve taken the pill they’re coming after me line of defence? My Mrs said she’s seen that going around on social media.
I get the concerns about trial by media, but at the end of the day this seems like a solidly researched piece, outlining a pattern of behaviour.
If the accusations are false, or even if they're true but can't be reliably proven, then he's got the most favourable defence in the world on his doorstep - the English defamation law, which typically favours the rich and powerful. Brand, by dint of his fame, is both.
Trial by media won't put him in prison, only the actual courts can do that. It will damage his reputation though, without doubt, unless he can put up something better than a "matrix / deep state conspiracy" defence.
The parallels with Saville are interesting; how much better would it have been if he'd have been investigated with similar vigour by the press. How many victims could have been avoided?
Again, in retrospect Saville told us what he was, it was apparently an open secret. Is it a similar story with Brand?
I’m sure turning to the dark side had nothing to do with his own personal behaviour though. Look how elements of the right are happy to make excuses for the behaviour of individuals like Andrew Tate for example.
Talking of Tate is it right that Brand has gone down the whole Matrix I’ve taken the pill they’re coming after me line of defence? My Mrs said she’s seen that going around on social media.
Why are people "calling" for a police investigation? Surely it's a given?
Local ministers have already basically said that the point of it is to get vehicle speeds under 30mph - which is an absolutely fair urban speed most people don't manage to abide by.
Why is it? I've got a shitty 2007 Seat Ibiza and i tell you now that thing comes to a dead stop from 30 in about 10 metres. Cars these days are way more advanced than when speed limits were introduced and theres no need for 20MPH limits anywhere other than outside schools lets be honest
Significant difference between being hit by a Seat Ibiza and being hit by one of the many SUVs that clog roads upWhy is it? I've got a shitty 2007 Seat Ibiza and i tell you now that thing comes to a dead stop from 30 in about 10 metres. Cars these days are way more advanced than when speed limits were introduced and theres no need for 20MPH limits anywhere other than outside schools lets be honest
Why is it? I've got a shitty 2007 Seat Ibiza and i tell you now that thing comes to a dead stop from 30 in about 10 metres. Cars these days are way more advanced than when speed limits were introduced and theres no need for 20MPH limits anywhere other than outside schools lets be honest
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