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Rumour: Hoffman and Elliot takeover negotiations (2 Viewers)

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fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,661
Captain Dart said:
In the absence of conditions being made public the headline figure means very little, it may simply be virtually unachievable.
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Which again means that the bidders lack credibility, it's the sort of thing SISU do in public e.g. with the £70m 'investment'
 

torchomatic

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,662
covcity4life said:
no hes right torch

you,nick and others kind of wear it like a badge of honour

we love ccfc sooo much we back sisu and hate council wasps and we will do anything for ccfc no matter what and anyone that dont better not mcok us because we love ccfc!!!!!!!
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WTF are you on about? I've lost count of the times you've slagged off CCC and Wasps.

<smacks head>
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,663
torchomatic said:
Over sensitive? I guess I could say the same when you accuse people of wanting the bid to fail. Let's just agree to disagree.
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Perhaps that's best Torch.

I really don't mind investigative debate, but I didn't feel like it was necessarily what I've been seeing. All I want are these owners to go so the club we love can return to what it once was. I think we have to support this right now.
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,664
skybluebeduff said:
He told you all a bid was coming.... it did... twice...
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Yes he also said it was agreed?
 

Captain Dart

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,665
torchomatic said:
No me too. I just hope Hoff keeps improving the offer until SISU finally accept rather than just give up and wait another three years before the next one.
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Trouble is Joy continually moves the goalposts, at some point Hoffman has to stop and let SISU sweat some more, I'm convinced this deal ain't happening anytime soon, not till after the JR anyhow.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,666
Edgey95 said:
Imagine the scenes first game of next season with new owners
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Yeah it'll be amazing, we might scrape 10k
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,667
torchomatic said:
WTF are you on about? I've lost count of the times you've quite rightly slagged off CCC and Wasps.

<smacks head>
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fixed!!
 
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skybluebeduff

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,668
ccfchoi87 said:
Yes he also said it was agreed?
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I'm pretty sure he said he believed the deal was to be accepted, different wording when it sounds like that.
Did you know 2 weeks ago a bid was coming in?
I doubt you did, I thank him for knowing 2 weeks in advance that this was happening, so do hundreds of users on the facebook forum too.
 

Moff

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,669
Liquid Gold said:
Yeah it'll be amazing, we might scrape 10k
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Driest and probably funniest post I have seen in a long time!.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,670
Captain Dart said:
Trouble is Joy continually moves the goalposts, at some point Hoffman has to stop and let SISU sweat some more, I'm convinced this deal ain't happening anytime soon, not till after the JR anyhow.
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How do you know she moves the goalposts? She may well do that, but we don't know do we? If the offer is lower than SISU want then the offer is lower than SISU want, for example. It'll happen or it won't.
 
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theferret

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,671
Godiva said:
I think it's only fair to ask questions of Hoffman/Elliott and their offer.
We should after all remember that Hoffman and Elliott were two of the directors on the first board after SISU came in. They wasted the golden opportunity to spend the first many, many milions to bring us forward.
They failed.
Their strategy was
1) Stabilize the finances - they failed!
2) Secure promotion to the PL - they failed!
3) Buy 50% of the stadium - they failed!
In fact - their failure laid the foundation the to hatret towards SISU. And they don't seem to have any decency to at least admit they carry some responsibility.

Why would anyone simply accept they are 'better' than SISU when they were 'acting as SISU' (just like Fisher is now) back when there was money and good will in abundance. They screwed up!
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Not really. Hoffman was appointed to the board in 2008, at almost the exact same time he took on a huge task at Northern Rock. The criticism that should be levelled at him is that he did not resign from the board immediately because he clearly had no time to dedicate to the football club and was otherwise engaged. That's a valid criticism, but he was hardly involved hands-on day to day, certainly not the Tim Fisher of the time as you allude to.

He ultimately sussed them out and walked away, probably later than he should have done, but to directly attribute all those failures to him I think is wide of the mark and is trying too hard to discredit a bid we currently have no details of, and which involves up to 6 other individuals we have no knowledge of.

It will all come out in the wash, but for now, I remain cautiously optimistic.

There is no point scrutinising a deal we know very little about. If any bid is accepted then clearly then we need to see the plan and scrutinise all we want, especially if they are expecting supporters to buy shares. The transparency people want I am sure will come in time, for now, let's just let them do what they need to do.
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,672
skybluebeduff said:
I'm pretty sure he said he believed the deal was to be accepted, different wording when it sounds like that.
Did you know 2 weeks ago a bid was coming in?
I doubt you did, I thank him for knowing 2 weeks in advance that this was happening, so do hundreds of users on the facebook forum too.
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Yeah we are all using his information about the second deal being rejected. If he hadn't been right before I doubt we would be. I had heard about the attempt yeah I don't know whether it's all come from the same place. All I'm saying is I wonder why he believed it was agreed. Had he been misled or does he know more
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,673
Liquid Gold said:
Yeah it'll be amazing, we might scrape 10k
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You joke, but considering the two top teams here are off, that's actually a solid attendance for League 2.

 
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ajsccfc

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,674
HOLY FUCKING SHIT

 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,675
ajsccfc said:
HOLY FUCKING SHIT

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you're not my friend anymore.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,676
ajsccfc said:
HOLY FUCKING SHIT

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Not even remotely funny or cool AJ.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,677
ajsccfc said:
HOLY FUCKING SHIT

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Fucking helll!!! Ah, just seen the "joke". Most amusing.
 

Hobo

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,678
ccfchoi87 said:
Yeah we are all using his information about the second deal being rejected. If he hadn't been right before I doubt we would be. I had heard about the attempt yeah I don't know whether it's all come from the same place. All I'm saying is I wonder why he believed it was agreed. Had he been misled or does he know more
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It could be just willing to sell in principle or yes we are now open to try and negotiate a deal. As simple as that.
 

Captain Dart

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,679
torchomatic said:
How do you know she moves the goalposts? She may well do that, but we don't know do we? If the offer is lower than SISU want then the offer is lower than SISU want, for example. It'll happen or it won't.
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Just look back at the record of negotiations between ACL & SISU.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,680
torchomatic said:
Fucking helll!!!
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WTF!
 

Sky Blue Kid

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,681
ajsccfc said:
HOLY FUCKING SHIT

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You do realise your nose is going to drop off?
 
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covcity4life

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,682
torchomatic said:
WTF are you on about? I've lost count of the times you've slagged off CCC and Wasps.

<smacks head>
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Exactly! But i also put the boot into sisu and sympathise with nopm etc

You guys seem to think backing sisu is backing ccfc and thats the difference

Noone is having a go at you so dont take it thay way please. Just mentioning how you guys come accross
 
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covcity4life

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,683
ajsccfc said:
HOLY FUCKING SHIT

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I never thought i could hate you aj but thats done it

Welcome to my "to troll" list
 
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Sky Blue Kid

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,684
covcity4life said:
Exactly! But i also put the boot into sisu and sympathise with nopm etc

You guys seem to think backing sisu is backing ccfc and thats the difference

Noone is having a go at you so dont take it thay way please. Just mentioning how you guys come accross
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WTF! are you apologising for?
 

ajsccfc

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,685
I like the idea that it'd be in Donald Trump's favourites list. Golf and Cov, that's all he's got going on these days.
 

covcity4life

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,686
Sky Blue Kid said:
WTF! are you apologising for?
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Im not?..
 

torchomatic

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,687
covcity4life said:
Exactly! But i also put the boot into sisu and sympathise with nopm etc

You guys seem to think backing sisu is backing ccfc and thats the difference

Noone is having a go at you so dont take it thay way please. Just mentioning how you guys come accross
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I'm not going to get into an argument with you (something you enjoy) but no one is backing SISU.
 

covcity4life

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,688
torchomatic said:
I'm not going to get into an argument with you (something you enjoy) but no one is backing SISU.
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Odd thing to say when i am being polite as i can to you.

Alot of people have said samething to you and nick today. Maybe listen maybe dont. Up to you.
 

Brylowes

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,689
Nick said:
Yes, but asking questions will help know if it will get rid of them surely?

If a fan asking questions about it causes that much of a stir what will SISU do to it?
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We can not and will not have any baring on whether a bid is accepted or not, we won't be
Privy to the nuts and bolts that make up the basis of the bid.
SISU will ultimately do
ajsccfc said:
HOLY FUCKING SHIT

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Tosser.
 
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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,690
Is this dead in the water already or do Sisu want to sell
 
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Godiva

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,691
theferret said:
Not really. Hoffman was appointed to the board in 2008, at almost the exact same time he took on a huge task at Northern Rock. The criticism that should be levelled at him is that he did not resign from the board immediately because he clearly had no time to dedicate to the football club and was otherwise engaged. That's a valid criticism, but he was hardly involved hands-on day to day, certainly not the Tim Fisher of the time as you allude to.

He ultimately sussed them out and walked away, probably later than he should have done, but to directly attribute all those failures to him I think is wide of the mark and is trying too hard to discredit a bid we currently have no details of, and which involves up to 6 other individuals we have no knowledge of.

It will all come out in the wash, but for now, I remain cautiously optimistic.

There is no point scrutinising a deal we know very little about. If any bid is accepted then clearly then we need to see the plan and scrutinise all we want, especially if they are expecting supporters to buy shares. The transparency people want I am sure will come in time, for now, let's just let them do what they need to do.
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What he 'sussed out' was that SISU were not prepared to give more money than initially agreed to a board that failed the main objectives. If he tries to avoid his responsibility or deflect blame he is not worthy of any high level jobs.

But my post was aimed at those who are baffled that anyone can question Hoffman/Elliott's involvement. I don't think the pair have a very good track record at the club and so it's very fair to ask them questions.

I am not against a take over - in fact the club needs it more than ever - but will this offer give us more than a short relief? Is the strategy sound? Will the club have finances to invest causiosly? Will we be left with a debt burden that will drag us down and secure another administration within a few years? Will be be tied to the Ricoh and become a revenue maker for WASPS? Will we keep the level 2 acadamy? ......
I think there are questions we need to ask and giving Hoffman/Elliotts prior performance we are fully entitled to do the asking.
 

MatthewWallis

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,692
 
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Sky Blue Kid

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,693
covcity4life said:
Im not?..
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Do you remotely think any of them would apologise to you?
 

robbiekeane

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,694
ajsccfc said:
HOLY FUCKING SHIT

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you're a fucking arsehole
 
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ajsccfc

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  • Apr 21, 2017
  • #2,695
MatthewWallis said:
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One of her earlier tweets mentions that the club will be addressing the relegation to league two before tomorrow's game, so it'll probably be some kind of empty fluff
 
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