Without somebody pumping in millions that they never want back I don't think we will be in the Premier League unless there is a huge stroke of luck.
I'd take that for a club I felt part of. Wouldn't you?
Huh?? What are you not getting?Did they pay a quid for the same?
As long as we built a club, with a winning mentality and competed, I wouldn't care what league we are in.
I'd be happy with promotions to L1/C'Ship, play offs, cup runs etc. Premier League would be nice, but just anything more than mid-table/relegation battles that we have every season....
That's why the Checkatrade was so important to me, I saw CCFC actually achieve something!
Huh?? What are you not getting?
No, that's how it is at the minute.
The minute they took over there should be a massive charm offensive, I'd want to see Elliott in every business in the city shaking hands trying to flog advertising and sorting out corporate deals with them for tickets. Get into the Unis for a partnership, get in with Cov Rugby.
Get down the business parks and look for the big employers, places like Thompson at Westwood Park and even Camping and Caravanning etc. Send Sky Blue Sam in, give the staff a voucher for a fiver for a ticket and see if they want to sponsor a player or a match etc. Get 3 or 4 sky blue sam suits made and hammer the shit of the community. Businesses, schools, charity events etc. Who are wasps?
the PR would be piss easy and it's what others have played on. "we aren't SISU".
That's the thing. Hammer the community / local businesses etc, schools, universities and build up advertising. Have no shame in what you advertise, not so much sell your soul but basically be clever about it and revenues go up.
Talk to fans openly about the plan, explain it's going to be break even but the club are working as hard as they can to keep building. Make them feel involved and important and ticket sales go up, shirt sales go back up.
Before you know it you don't need to sell a player every season.
Be very clever like Portsmouth and fan fund / get sponsors / get grants and build a training centre complex that's community based. What good is Ryton for us at 8pm? Have a look at places like Finbars and even the Higgs centre for inspiration. Obviously the public won't be strolling around watching the players train but that can be sorted. It could be a place for functions, birthday parties, wedding receptions, "an evening with events" etc etc. All valuable income to CCFC as well.
How many people with kids would have a CCFC birthday party at the training base where Sky Blue Sam visits? I wanted one for mine and asked both the club and the Ricoh at the time and all that I could have was a function room at the Ricoh which was about £400 and I had to pay a tenner per kid for nuggets and chips. Buy a CCFC bouncy castle, crank up that speed shot and put on a buffet and plenty of parents would go for that.
There is so much you can do just by owning the CCFC brand and thinking outside the box.
Christ, I am sounding like Trump and make America Great Again!
I fully get what you're saying, and agree.
My question to you, or anyone, why isn't CCFC/SISU doing this now? It's so simple, wouldn't cost much, would provide the "much needed revenues"....
All them are pretty solid ideas, and you have given some more good and some that are not so good ideas but credit to you for trying to think of ways forward.
But I will point you to the highlighted sentence. You have slammed Hofmans bid because according to you it is undervalued because what you are receiving from sisu is a great base to build from and not broken according to you. Yet you have then gone onto give lots of ideas as to how they could fix the club if they gained ownership, you've mentioned training grounds, stadiums, pr, break even as well as other things. I don't agree with all your points about how they would go forward but that's a different conversation.
all your ideas are what they can fix going forward, not things or infrastructures that are in place now. Implying that in its current state it is broken and thus not a great base to build from. At best I suppose you could describe it as a clean slate to build on, not a great base.
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Because they are happy to just let things tick over as they are.
I've said it plenty of times that if there was no Fisher the club could be doing things like that under SISU. I have no idea what the marketing dept do all day.
Did another essay thread saying that somebody could do break even but with a different approach and get a completely different outcome.
Why though? Why wouldn't you want your business to do better?
I'm not saying SISU are offering a great product and thanking them for it or anything like that. I am just saying that he's offering nowhere near enough to what the assets are worth, therefore SISU wouldn't even entertain it. I'd love for them to hand it over for £0 and wipe out all of the debt but I'm just being realistic.
In terms of now it really depends if he does a deal including Ryton or not, I'd personally still sell it and put that money towards something I said about the community and fan fund the rest.
For the stadium the first thing I would do is speak to actual developers and planners to see how much it was going to cost, speak to potential investors who would want to back it, think outside the box of ways to fund it. Once I had a good idea I'd use that idea to work out what I'd go to Wasps with and play hardball.
Again, I wouldn't be SISU and I'd have arse licked every local business, every school and every fan until they didn't need to buy bog roll. If they wanted to fuck about with CCFC then everybody would know about itThey wouldn't be able to act the dick and just blame SISU then, I'd make sure there was the most outrage against them as physically possible and that bags of coke and rent boys would be found in a hotel room belonging to their directors.
Exactly What others are trying to buy is less then what sisu got so should be cheaper.What aren't you getting? That's more relevant.
SISU paying a £1 isn't the same as what Hoffman is trying to buy is it?
What they are trying to buy is completely different to what SISU bought isn't it?Exactly What others are trying to buy is less then what sisu got so should be cheaper.
When sisu got the club they were in a position to buy the lease if they so wished.
They faffed about beat all their customers so have lost over half of them.
Beat all others involved to the extent no one will speak to them so in reality it is now completely worthless.
It is only worth anything to a supporter that is why no one else wants it.
just my opinion of course but that is how I see it.
No one thinks they will hand it over for £0. If we are talking realistically no one is going to bid more than hofman has put them on the table for what they are selling. Which is why I did say earlier from there point they would be better to sell each individually than as a whole.
Some more good ideas and not so good ideas there, shows at the moment Sisu don't have much of a club to sell.
If Sisu went about being proactive with fixing the academy, stadium and many other problems (although I believe some of them are beyond repair but let's say they can be fixed) then they might get an offer nearer their valuation.
Yes that is what I said.What they are trying to buy is completely different to what SISU bought isn't it?
Yes that is what I said.
Nick, genuine question, do you think it's in anyway likely or even possible for the fortunes OfIf they fixed the issues then the valuation would just go up as they would be getting something different again. Therefore what they had to pay then would be completely different to what they do now.
Nick, genuine question, do you think it's in anyway likely or even possible for the fortunes Of
this club to turn a corner and start to improve, at any point in the future with SISU at the helm.
But tick over whilst continuing to get smaller and lower?Depends really, physically possible then yes. What's likely is I think we will just tick over.
because they have distressed it so badly they should really just cut their losses and walk away.It's not really comparable to what SISU paid then is it? It's a different situation that hoffman wants.
No because they have distressed it so badly they should really just cut their losses and walk away.
Anything they can get is a bonus it is really worth nothing.
But tick over whilst continuing to get smaller and lower?
I agree but top 8-10 leaves us where we are but no doubt with a budget cut due toHard to say, will soon find out when League 2 starts. I can personally see us top 8 - 10 next season in reality. I'd love to say we are going to blitz the league and I hope we do but I have learnt from being optimistic....
That's the thing. Hammer the community / local businesses etc, schools, universities and build up advertising. Have no shame in what you advertise, not so much sell your soul but basically be clever about it and revenues go up.
Talk to fans openly about the plan, explain it's going to be break even but the club are working as hard as they can to keep building. Make them feel involved and important and ticket sales go up, shirt sales go back up.
Before you know it you don't need to sell a player every season.
Be very clever like Portsmouth and fan fund / get sponsors / get grants and build a training centre complex that's community based. What good is Ryton for us at 8pm? Have a look at places like Finbars and even the Higgs centre for inspiration. Obviously the public won't be strolling around watching the players train but that can be sorted. It could be a place for functions, birthday parties, wedding receptions, "an evening with events" etc etc. All valuable income to CCFC as well.
How many people with kids would have a CCFC birthday party at the training base where Sky Blue Sam visits? I wanted one for mine and asked both the club and the Ricoh at the time and all that I could have was a function room at the Ricoh which was about £400 and I had to pay a tenner per kid for nuggets and chips. Buy a CCFC bouncy castle, crank up that speed shot and put on a buffet and plenty of parents would go for that.
Work with the Former players and put on an evening with dinner, £50 for a meal and an evening with a random player. Get 150 people in there thats £7.5k, then you have the bar takings on top of that. I don't know much about the catering trade to say how much profit it would be etc but even if it was £4k profit for that night and you have 10 a year that's £40k you didn't have before and you also have people feeling part of the club etc etc.
There is so much you can do just by owning the CCFC brand and thinking outside the box.
Christ, I am sounding like Trump and make America Great Again!
In what way?What aren't you getting? That's more relevant.
SISU paying a £1 isn't the same as what Hoffman is trying to buy is it?
Have linked to where osb explained it better a couple of posts back.In what way?
What aren't you getting? That's more relevant.
SISU paying a £1 isn't the same as what Hoffman is trying to buy is it?
People seem to just focus on the pound?Don't think its that different. IIRC didn't the SISU takeover have add ons based on promotion to the premier league, some of the debt was wiped off and some of the debt was settled at a much lower value than what it stood at with limited debt carried forward?
They also got a championship squad and Ryton for their pound didn't they? Not to mention a much better starting point for rebuilding the club.
It's probably not wise to compare the GH bid with the deal that originally brought SISU here. You may find it stacks up as equal maybe even better.
They brought a championship club that if they had done things rightWhat hoffman wants to buy isn't worth nothing though is it? If he was taking on debts then I'd agree the up front stuff would go down to a £1 type deal.
I think this is a point that gets missed. Ryton has a value, players have a value. OSB has explained it better also.
Read these:
CCFC worth - by lecturer in football finance Liverpool
CCFC worth - by lecturer in football finance Liverpool
Yes because what came after was due to their own unprofessional way of running the club.People seem to just focus on the pound?
But didn't they take it on with quite a bit of debt?Yes because what came after was due to their own unprofessional way of running the club.
That's right it's not. Hoffman wouldn't be getting any of the Ricoh or a championship squad worth millionsHave linked to where osb explained it better a couple of posts back.
It's not the same to compare it.
That's right it's not. Hoffman wouldn't be getting any of the Ricoh or a championship squad worth millions
That's right it's not. Hoffman wouldn't be getting any of the Ricoh or a championship squad worth millions
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