covcity4life
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But not you right? You said we need to sack him asap because he can't impact current players and that's not gonna change so lets cut out losses.
So yeah some might say elite tactics. But not you.
But not you right? You said we need to sack him asap because he can't impact current players and that's not gonna change so lets cut out losses.Elite tactics you might say
I haven’t jumped onto that bandwagon, but it’s only fair to highlight that we’re missing some non trivial players ourselves and had to fix a defence that was coughing up 2+ goals a game.It’s just why I’d keep my powder dry on a playoff push. But sometimes you need a bit of luck in fixtures to build confidence. Hopefully it doesn’t get undone by the next two and we can start beating teams around us in the run after that.
He is the only poster who forecast relegation under FL.But not you right? You said we need to sack him asap because he can't impact current players and that's not gonna change so lets cut out losses.
So yeah some might say elite tactics. But not you.
I don’t think finishing is his strong suit (I seem to remember he had some dodgy xG stats with Huddersfield last season), but he’s putting a stamp on games in a way that he couldn’t earlier in the season.He's a bit unfortunate not be on a few more goals
I haven’t jumped onto that bandwagon, but it’s only fair to highlight that we’re missing some non trivial players ourselves and had to fix a defence that was coughing up 2+ goals a game.
Elite tactics you might say
I hope we have another coach coming to join soon with Carr departing, that would be nice
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To be fair I think we still play out the back but not as dogmatic as before. Helps Kitching is our best ball playing CB imo.I think the Dovin penalty save was huge tbh. That and the switch to not playing out from the back and through the middle has made us a lot more solid. We’ve scored all season but constantly undermined ourselves with soft goals that we’ve stopped. Having a confident keeper and bypassing our midfield and defence and playing higher up the pitch has helped.
Just still to be seen how effective it is against teams playing well.
To be fair I think we still play out the back but not as dogmatic as before. Helps Kitching is our best ball playing CB imo.
Not sure how effective it’ll be against Leeds but we don’t need to beat those sides imo, we’ve got to beat people around the top six and probably up to 4 and 5th in the top six which so fair we have.
Understand being pragmatic but I’m excited, not to mention the players we have coming back
Isn't it also basically a variation of the formation we played when we got to the playoff final?My main concern is our best forwards play wide and we need 4ATB to accommodate them and our CBs don’t look capable of that. Will be interesting to see how we square that circle. That and I’m not convinced this football gets you top six, but it worked for Luton so maybe.
My main concern is our best forwards play wide and we need 4ATB to accommodate them and our CBs don’t look capable of that. Will be interesting to see how we square that circle. That and I’m not convinced this football gets you top six, but it worked for Luton so maybe.
Isn't it also basically a variation of the formation we played when we got to the playoff final?
Why don’t they look capable of it? The same players played in a back 4 all of last season and our defensive record was 9th in the league and that was after a bad start and end to the season.
It’s all in the tactics and coaching, certain formations just don’t win games by themselves.
The way the CMs play, they’re almost playing as wide midfielders. Rudoni and Torp try to create overloads with their WBs and it’s like we’re trying to play with wingers.
Only four clean sheets in 24 games with a back 4 this season - maybe Kitching would make a difference but it's been rough watching this year.Why don’t they look capable of it? The same players played in a back 4 all of last season and our defensive record was 9th in the league and that was after a bad start and end to the season.
It’s all in the tactics and coaching, certain formations just don’t win games by themselves.
The way the CMs play, they’re almost playing as wide midfielders. Rudoni and Torp try to create overloads with their WBs and it’s like we’re trying to play with wingers.
We have switched to 352 cos of injuries to wingers not to stop conceding.But we’ve fixed it by switching to a formation they can’t play in.
I would say high press football has been consistent in the championship on your last point and do feel we can use it to grind results.My main concern is our best forwards play wide and we need 4ATB to accommodate them and our CBs don’t look capable of that. Will be interesting to see how we square that circle. That and I’m not convinced this football gets you top six, but it worked for Luton so maybe.
Only four clean sheets in 24 games with a back 4 this season - maybe Kitching would make a difference but it's been rough watching this year.
I also think the 3ATB formation helps free up the central midfielders in a way that isn't possible with 4 at the back and wingers.
It's crazy you have to even explain itWe conceded a lot of goals playing 3 CBs. Take out the last 4 games and the defensive record is like for like. In addition, we’ve kept a few clean sheets playing a back 4 under Lampard.
Comparing the CS stats pre-Lampard isn’t useful. The issue has been tactics and coaching, not formation.
We’re only playing 5-3-2 out of necessity because we don’t have wingers.
We conceded a lot of goals playing 3 CBs. Take out the last 4 games and the defensive record is like for like. In addition, we’ve kept a few clean sheets playing a back 4 under Lampard.
Comparing the CS stats pre-Lampard isn’t useful. The issue has been tactics and coaching, not formation.
We’re only playing 5-3-2 out of necessity because we don’t have wingers.
Yeh agree on this tooTake out the last 4 games?
Why would you ignore 4 wins on the bounce with only one goal conceded?
The formation is tactics!The issue has been tactics and coaching, not formation.
We’re only playing 5-3-2 out of necessity because we don’t have wingers.
Yeh agree on this too
He's clearly sorted defensive line out whilst we been playing 352
There will be challenges to overcome 433 but nothing to suggest we will just start conceding loads again is my only point.
Emc and wright will prob start off with sub appearances so I imagine it will be 352 for next 3-4 games yetI'm sure at some point we'll revert to 4 3 3.
But given that since switching to 5 3 2 we've quite incredibly managed to drag ourselves into the play off race I'd rather we waited while we're still in the mix and winning games.
We conceded a lot of goals playing 3 CBs. Take out the last 4 games and the defensive record is like for like. In addition, we’ve kept a few clean sheets playing a back 4 under Lampard.
Comparing the CS stats pre-Lampard isn’t useful. The issue has been tactics and coaching, not formation.
We’re only playing 5-3-2 out of necessity because we don’t have wingers.
Take out the last 4 games?
Why would you ignore 4 wins on the bounce with only one goal conceded?
Emc and wright will prob start off with sub appearances so I imagine it will be 352 for next 3-4 games yet
As long as same application I have faith 433 can keep us winning too eventually
Instead his detractors say he's lucky players got injured and he stumbled into a tactic that stopped us concedingAgreed, it’ll take a few weeks to reintegrate new signings and the injured players into the system Lampard wants to play.
5-3-2 has served a purpose and got the most out of the players we have available. Lampard deserves a lot of credit for finding a way to get results without 3 key players.
The formation is tactics!
We've switched to this formation out of necessity, but it's a good one! It works for us in a way that 433/4231 has not so far this season. Lampard deserves credit for making it work and should stick with it.
Lampard only we conceded 10 in 8 with 4ATB and 4 in 6 with 3ATB. Small samples though and the change has coincided with us playing out of form teams. Three of those 4 goals were against Norwich and Sheff Wed at the start too so arguably still getting used to it. Numbers eh?
The variables have changed, you’ve got Dovin, Kitching, Allen and Simms playing now which wasn’t the case before switching formations.
At this point of the season, we were basically conceding all shots on target we faced with Collins in goal. Something you dismissed earlier in the season, Kitching appeared in most of our clean sheets under MR (and playing 4ATB). It’s no coincidence that we’re keeping clean sheets with him back in the team.
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