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Nick

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  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #141
pipkin73 said:
By the way, players we lost and missed out on (Fleck and L Clarke are now only substitutes for Sheff utd).
But the way people talk about them on here they would have made us promotion certainties.
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Always the case, it is even worse with ex players as it's a case of "why didnt they then".
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #142
pipkin73 said:
By the way, players we lost and missed out on (Fleck and L Clarke are now only substitutes for Sheff utd).
But the way people talk about them on here they would have made us promotion certainties.
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Leon Clarke is arse.
However in this current team I think he would be the one who would secure us 6th spot.
 

pipkin73

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #143
Nick said:
Always the case, it is even worse with ex players as it's a case of "why didnt they then".
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??? Sorry Nick, but don't get that reply.
"it is even worse with ex players as it's a case of "why didnt they then· Why didn't they what?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #144
pipkin73 said:
??? Sorry Nick, but don't get that reply.
"it is even worse with ex players as it's a case of "why didnt they then· Why didn't they what?
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It's like when somebody would say:

John fleck would get us promoted.

Even though he played for us and we were nowhere near even with him.
 

pipkin73

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #145
Nick said:
It's like when somebody would say:

John fleck would get us promoted.

Even though he played for us and we were nowhere near even with him.
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Ahh ok then, got you. Yeah, would be good to keep our better players but they never took us up last year so why should they this year. If we could have kept our best players and added on to them then maybe a chance but last year the best players were on loan so no chance of keeping them. This year the best players are ours, Jones, Willis, Turnbull, Bigirimana, Charles-Cook, Rose and lots of promise Stevenson. At last we have a foundation to build on, thanks to TM and MV. I think next year could be a great year for us as TM has taken players on on longer contracts so the heart of the team wil have already been together for a year.Better than before when a new team needed every season. TM is slowly building a team, give him time to build it.
 
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Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #146
Nick said:
Oh so they don't care either now then? Nice one.
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Well you don't Nick , every idea , suggestion , protest , etc etc that gets mentioned , you shoot down , let's discuss why this forum houses supporters who are on a completely different wavelength to the vast majority .
and for the record , getting involved in just one song about sisu wouldn't hurt eh , too much to ask ??? Not at all get a grip.
Shows how bad this forum can be , when you get called a weirdo for singing (actually happened here on skybluestalk)

EDIT:maybe I'm being a bit harsh , just frustration at the clubs current situation , apologies
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #147
Evo1883 said:
Well you don't Nick , every idea , suggestion , protest , etc etc that gets mentioned , you shoot down , let's discuss why this forum houses supporters who are on a completely different wavelength to the vast majority .
and for the record , getting involved in just one song about sisu wouldn't hurt eh , too much to ask ??? Not at all get a grip.
Shows how bad this forum can be , when you get called a weirdo for singing (actually happened here on skybluestalk)

EDIT:maybe I'm being a bit harsh , just frustration at the clubs current situation , apologies
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Maybe I am just using a bit of common sense and saying something won't work before it even happens.

What if I said to get SISU out I am going to go to the shop and buy a paper and some milk as a protest? I remember that protest where they were going to hold up signs for the cameras, I pointed out that they would have to be in the stand where the dugout is for the cameras to see them rather than by the scoreboard. I got all of the "why are you shooting it down" shit that you seem to like. Anyway, get to the game you see people with signs running as fast as you can round to the corner of the telegraph stand because the cameras couldn't see them.

Here we go again, getting all excited about majorities and stuff again. "Housing supporters". Will you be demanding names and addresses of all the scabs next?

I don't care? Why don't I?

Give it a couple of weeks you will be crying about SISU dividing the fans and some other shit you have heard somebody else say. Have a word with yourself.
 
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skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #148
Nick said:
It's like when somebody would say:

John fleck would get us promoted.

Even though he played for us and we were nowhere near even with him.
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Being top of the league with John Fleck playing at the time....
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #149
skybluebeduff said:
Being top of the league with John Fleck playing at the time....
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Yes, then falling down it while he was "playing".
 

skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #150
Nick said:
Yes, then falling down it while he was "playing".
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The manager should take the Fleck for that
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #151
GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
Pyjama fancy dress game as we're all tired of sisu


Can all take pillows and have a big pillow fight in the unlikely event we score


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Clown fancy dress, because that is what SISU are.
 

oucho

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #152
So Nick, do tell us what you think the most effective way of pressuring SISU to leave is? Because you are poo-poohing the suggestions made on here by others.

Come on, tell us what you think we should do to increase the pressure to get rid??
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #153
oucho said:
Come on, tell us what you think we should do to increase the pressure to get rid??
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Find them a way out for starters.
Think of ways to make the club look more appealing to new buyers.

Whatever we do, it needs to be about being pro ccfc and not anti anybody. Which is when everybody agrees, at least if it fails it is at least bringing fans together.

Sadly as we have seen, they will go when they want to.
 

oucho

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #154
Nick said:
Find them a way out for starters.
Think of ways to make the club look more appealing to new buyers.
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Such as??

Nick said:
Whatever we do, it needs to be about being pro ccfc and not anti anybody. Which is when everybody agrees.
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It's not anti-CCFC to be anti-SISU, you and others like you need to get that into your head. If anything, the opposite is true. If I was anti-CCFC,I'd want SISU to stay forever.

The distinction should be an easy one to make. I love/support my country but that doesn't mean I automatically feel the same about Theresa May or any other leader, for example.
 
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matesx

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #155
1000 Sky Blue Sams set off from Cov station to London.

Walk through the busy London streets en masse to SISU HQ as the petition is handed over by St George on a white steed.

That'd get the medias interest.


.... well have you get a better idea?!
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #156
oucho said:
Such as??

It's not anti-CCFC to be anti-SISU, you and others like you need to get that into your head.
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I have never said it was, but when anti sisu actions are damaging ccfc then people wont ever come together.

For example why would a buyer want to come in and invest money?

Using that petition as an example, it effectively says "thanks for investing your money, now piss off". Would that not be offputting?

If somebody takes over CCFC, what will they actually get and then do to get us going? Stadium / Academy etc.

Would a new buyer want to be at the mercy of Wasps / the council etc? Would they be put off if they have seen everybody going at the club like they are now? would they want to be in a wasps branded stadium?

Has anybody tried to get at SISU directly rather than through CCFC? Any city fans experts on that world?

People need to think outside the box. Whatever it is, it needs to be well thought out.
 
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rupert_bear

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #157
Thinking about it season ticket should go if they want, they've paid their money and it's in the sisu bank,
Stop The walk up yes that hurts sisu in the pocket
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #158
rupert_bear said:
Thinking about it season ticket should go if they want, they've paid their money and it's in the sisu bank,
Stop The walk up yes that hurts sisu in the pocket
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Has anybody tried to work out how much of the walk up goes to the SISU pocket compared to how much goes to running the club?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #159
oucho said:
So Nick, do tell us what you think the most effective way of pressuring SISU to leave is?
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You have to present a viable way out. SISU don't have one, if someone came up with one they'd be off like a shot. Selling the Ricoh quite possibly removed the only viable exit strategy.
 

oucho

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #160
Nick said:
why would a buyer want to come in and invest money?

Using that petition as an example, it effectively says "thanks for investing your money, now piss off". Would that not be offputting?

If somebody takes over CCFC, what will they actually get and then do to get us going? Stadium / Academy etc.

Would a new buyer want to be at the mercy of Wasps / the council etc? Would they be put off if they have seen everybody going at the club like they are now? would they want to be in a wasps branded stadium?
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I think a new owner would have every chance of getting CCC and Wasps etc onside; more than anything else it has been SISU's behaviour which has alienated the other parties to the point that trust has gone and now nobody wants to work with us. New owners would change that scenario.

Any investor knows 2 things: 1) football clubs can be money ptis which they have to buy with their eyes wide open (unlike SISU who admitted not doing their due diligence) and 2) there is the Southampton/Swansea/Bournemouth/Stoke etc model where clubs can succeed with reasonable investment. For that reason, our low price tag makes us a potentially attractive buy.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #161
oucho said:
I think a new owner would have every chance of getting CCC and Wasps etc onside; more than anything else it has been SISU's behaviour which has alienated the other parties to the point that trust has gone and now nobody wants to work with us. New owners would change that scenario.

Any investor knows 2 things: 1) football clubs can be money ptis which they have to buy with their eyes wide open (unlike SISU who admitted not doing their due diligence) and 2) there is the Southampton/Swansea/Bournemouth/Stoke etc model where clubs can succeed with reasonable investment. For that reason, our low price tag makes us a potentially attractive buy.
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So a new owners ambition could be to play in the Wasps stadium etc? Is that incase they decide they want to start giving ccfc their revenues?
 
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rupert_bear

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #162
Nick said:
Has anybody tried to work out how much of the walk up goes to the SISU pocket compared to how much goes to running the club?
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But that money has to be found if it's not there. So I assume it would be down to our owners to stump up the dosh from somewhere.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #163
rupert_bear said:
But that money has to be found if it's not there. So I assume it would be down to our owners to stump up the dosh from somewhere.
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OR they just cut some costs to cover it? OR they just add to the debt?

Both aren't really ideal are they?
 

oucho

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #164
Nick said:
OR they just cut some costs to cover it? OR they just add to the debt?

Both aren't really ideal are they?
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Hardly as un-ideal as upping sticks and moving to a much smaller ground.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #165
oucho said:
Hardly as un-ideal as upping sticks and moving to a much smaller ground.
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Maybe we could protest and block a move by making them know it would be too small then? Rather than boycotting and giving them proof they dont need a big ground?
 

oucho

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #166
Nick said:
Maybe we could protest and block a move by making them know it would be too small then? Rather than boycotting and giving them proof they dont need a big ground?
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Don't you think a protest boycott would convince them that the fan-base is irreconcilably opposed to them and that therefore they'll sell up? That's the point.

Don't get me wrong, SISU leaving will not solve all our problems by a long chalk but it's the pre-requisite mandatory requirement before a recovery can begin.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #167
oucho said:
Don't you think a protest boycott would convince them that the fan-base is irreconcilably opposed to them and that therefore they'll sell up? That's the point.

Don't get me wrong, SISU leaving will not solve all our problems by a long chalk but it's the pre-requisite mandatory requirement before a recovery can begin.
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Whereas stupidly low attendances doesn't justify a move to say a 15k stadium?
 
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Speedies_Chips

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #168
Can those think think that doing the opposite of a boycott and filling the stadium instead please tell me where they think 28,000 willing participants are going to come from. Will never happen.
 
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I_Saw_Shaw_Score

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #169
Speedies_Chips said:
Can those think think that doing the opposite of a boycott and filling the stadium instead please tell me where they think 28,000 willing participants are going to come from. Will never happen.
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Likewise finding willing participants to take part in a total boycott.
 

oucho

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #170
Nick said:
Whereas stupidly low attendances doesn't justify a move to say a 15k stadium?
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No. Because 1) its clearly a protest and a one-off where there stadium would be empty and 2) even our latter years in the Champ show that with a bit of success (always plus 15k gates) we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot to move to a 15k capacity ground.
Face it, the BPA is a non-starter - sorry to wee on your dreams but let's face it, you do that to everyone else all the damn time.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #171
oucho said:
Face it, the BPA is a non-starter - sorry to wee on your dreams but let's face it, you do that to everyone else all the damn time.
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It isn't really, I am far from imagining the view. It is being discussed as a "what if" rather than a "when I get my seat".

The stadium is empty every week pretty much.
 
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rupert_bear

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #172
Nick said:
OR they just cut some costs to cover it? OR they just add to the debt?

Both aren't really ideal are they?
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Well with an apparent 14000 break even figure that must have been doing that for months.
 

oucho

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #173
Unfortunately there will always be people who ignore the boycott because they want to support the team, we even saw that at Sixfields. A boycott with sub-500 in the ground would be fantastic but I just cannot see it happening. We have thousands of ST holders who do not want to miss a game and many more who would consciously go in spite of the boycott to "support the team/club".
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #174
Nick said:
Has anybody tried to work out how much of the walk up goes to the SISU pocket compared to how much goes to running the club?
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YAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN Fucking hell change the record for fucks sake.
*Edit* you sure you're not getting a backhander from SISU? Get out from their fucking arsehole.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #175
Sky Blue Kid said:
YAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN Fucking hell change the record for fucks sake.
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You mean change the record from thinking about something logically to doing something without thinking about it first? Nice one.
 
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