Nick
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So the off field matters make him do stupid shit like he did on Saturday?
No, all it does is let him get away with it and mask some of the stuff he does.
Don't you think that the off the pitch matters don't tie in with on the pitch? I've gone past the point of blaming managers anymore. If he can't do the job no one can
Still January and free agents. Some good ones out there for our level we just can't afford them. If TM had more money he could afford them. That will only come from fans turning up, my idea gives him 3 games worth of money and looses him one (but he still gets season ticket holders money for that game).Too late for Mowbray to do anything now. Will walk soon I think so just try and bleed Sisu dry. Not spending any more money for them clowns
Maybe so but how many managers are we going to blame before we realise why they fail. People like Chris Coleman,Aidy Boothroyd etc had good records coming to us but they still couldn't do it. I wonder why that was?So the off field matters make him do stupid shit like he did on Saturday?
No, all it does is let him get away with it and mask some of the stuff he does.
Maybe so but how many managers are we going to blame before we realise why they fail. People like Chris Coleman,Aidy Boothroyd etc had good records coming to us but they still couldn't do it. I wonder why that was?
Coleman's record wasnt that good before coming here, and boothroyd just had 1 lucky season when he had thr perfect storm. What's he done since leaving us?Maybe so but how many managers are we going to blame before we realise why they fail. People like Chris Coleman,Aidy Boothroyd etc had good records coming to us but they still couldn't do it. I wonder why that was?
But don't you think they would be happy for that to happen? Anyway how do we know the revenue goes towards TM? Wouldn't be surprised if some of it goes into their back pocketsStill January and free agents. Some good ones out there for our level we just can't afford them. If TM had more money he could afford them. That will only come from fans turning up, my idea gives him 3 games worth of money and looses him one (but he still gets season ticket holders money for that game).
It's not about giving SISU money, it's about giving TM money to buy good quality players. If people don't go then you can't blame TM for signing duds as thats all he has the money for.
He is trying his best with what he has, i think he was over ambitious this season and aimed to high (players he could not afford but thought he could get). For us older ones, including TM, CCFC is still a name and a sleeping giant, but for younger supporters and players nowadays they were not born or were too young to remember us as the 5th longest team in the top flight. They only remember us as a team in decline.
Back on track, protest can help if done right. That is why i suggested it the way i did.
TM tries to sign a player, player says why Cov, what can you do for me. TM shows them a full ground and says if you help us achieve succsess this is what you can have (massive club at this level and a big un at championship level).
Back yourself to bring the good times back and you will be a hero. The fans are their, we just need the team to bring them back.
But do you really think that Mowbray would choose to go and get people like Sordell on a free? On the other hand you could say he should've known this was what it was going to to be likeBecause they weren't very good?
There is nothing wrong with saying people are to blame for different things. If the manager makes a stupid decision it is his fault.
No idea why people think everything is tunnel vision 1 size fits all.
But do you really think that Mowbray would choose to go and get people like Sordell on a free? On the other hand you could say he should've known this was what it was going to to be like
But I'm sure people like Leon Clarke were higher up on the list?No, he would probably want Messi and Ronaldo but he is managing a League 1 team, in League 1...It is what makes a good manager.
He signed Sordell quite early on, so I'd say he did choose to as it was far from a last minute panic.
But I'm sure people like Leon Clarke were higher up on the list?
But would he not have that money if someone else was in charge?Yes, and he went to a team spending silly money. That is why you have Plan Bs and Plan Cs.
He signed Sordell pretty early in the transfer window, well before Clarke went to sheff united, so you have to assume that he was high in Mowbrays list, he probably wanted both of them together.But I'm sure people like Leon Clarke were higher up on the list?
But he obviously didn't have the funds he needed to bring in the players he wantedHe signed Sordell pretty early in the transfer window, well before Clarke went to sheff united.
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But would he not have that money if someone else was in charge?
But he obviously didn't have the funds he needed to bring in the players he wanted
That's what I'm trying to say. He shouldn't of taken the job in the first place but he has nothing to work with. Maybe he thought he could turn the ship around but it's just a poison chalice.Seriously? He knows the budget. He is a league 1 manager, he has to work to constraints and budgets. The same as 95% of teams in this division.
That's what I'm trying to say. He shouldn't of taken the job in the first place but he has nothing to work with. Maybe he thought he could turn the ship around but it's just a poison chalice.
Or he chose the wrong targets and missed out on more suitable signings. Mowbray obviously finds the budget acceptable, it was what he negotiated on before signing last summer. He tells us that its the same as last season. As much as a higher budget is always nice, I think that Mowbrays lack of lower league knowledge has let him down again, and has set his targets too highBut he obviously didn't have the funds he needed to bring in the players he wanted
But do we know how much Turnbull was signed for, or Jones? Could be 50k each for all we know(not saying it was). Still have a lot of loans and free transfers in our squad."he has nothing to work with" That isn't strictly true is it? It is just thrown about with our managers too much.
If he had nothing, he wouldn't have signed Jones and Turnbull and he wouldn't have dreamed of chasing Championship players and would have been getting Conference or League 2 players.
I don't know but TM and MV have said that the club is now self sufficient and if the attendances goes up the budget goes up (same the other way). SISU put nothing in but cover shortfalls if unexpected. SO player and staff always get paid.But don't you think they would be happy for that to happen? Anyway how do we know the revenue goes towards TM? Wouldn't be surprised if some of it goes into their back pockets
Maybe he doesn't trust people like George Thomas etc because they aren't good enough! Don't see how you can get worse than people like George Thomas.Or he chose the wrong targets and missed out on more suitable signings. Mowbray obviously finds the budget acceptable, it was what he negotiated on before signing last summer. He tells us that its the same as last season. As much as a higher budget is always nice, I think that Mowbrays lack of lower league knowledge has let him down again, and has set his targets too high
He's used to shopping in waitrose, but has tried shopping in asda on an aldi budget and ended up missing out on the best bargains in lidl. Hes then panicked and brought in a load of PL youngsters, some of which are no better than our own youngsters of which he doesn't seem to trust, and not he's back to looking at has been 'names' like he did when the lost the plot last season.
The budget if the same as last season, is adequate, it's mowbray and Venus who have messed up this summer. I imagine there's still a big chunk of budget left that's not yet been spent due to him missing out on players.
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That's what i was trying to say but you type faster than meOr he chose the wrong targets and missed out on more suitable signings. Mowbray obviously finds the budget acceptable, it was what he negotiated on before signing last summer. He tells us that its the same as last season. As much as a higher budget is always nice, I think that Mowbrays lack of lower league knowledge has let him down again, and has set his targets too high
He's used to shopping in waitrose, but has tried shopping in asda on an aldi budget and ended up missing out on the best bargains in lidl. Hes then panicked and brought in a load of PL youngsters, some of which are no better than our own youngsters of which he doesn't seem to trust, and not he's back to looking at has been 'names' like he did when the lost the plot last season.
The budget if the same as last season, is adequate, it's mowbray and Venus who have messed up this summer. I imagine there's still a big chunk of budget left that's not yet been spent due to him missing out on players.
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But do we know how much Turnbull was signed for, or Jones? Could be 50k each for all we know(not saying it was). Still have a lot of loans and free transfers in our squad.
We shouldn't be though. That's the whole point!Yes, we are in League 1 so we will have....
We shouldn't be though. That's the whole point!
I was talking more of Haynes and DKE, rather than George Thomas. And Thomas isn't that bad, he's young and still learning, and manages to score regularly for the u23's plenty of time for him to develop, he only recently turned 19.Maybe he doesn't trust people like George Thomas etc because they aren't good enough! Don't see how you can get worse than people like George Thomas.
So you think we should be below the likes of Rochdale and sitting at the bottom of league one?Here we go...
Why shouldn't we be? What god given right do we have to be in the Championship? It certainly wasn't revenues.
People need to be a bit more realistic don't they?
I seem to remember us saying that about people like Connor Thomas and Jack Finch.I was talking more of Haynes and DKE, rather than George Thomas. And Thomas isn't that bad, he's young and still learning, and manages to score regularly for the u23's plenty of time for him to develop, he only recently turned 19.
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So you think we should be below the likes of Rochdale and sitting at the bottom of league one?
Nick I could argue with you all day mate but I'm afraid it's past my bedtime.No, we shouldn't be at the bottom of League 1. Our budget is a lot higher than that, so it points at the manager.
We have no right to be in the Championship though do we? Then what happens when as a club we can't afford to compete?
Nick I could argue with you all day mate but I'm afraid it's past my bedtime.
Yes I probably did. I think you have to give kids a chance to develop, all youngsters develop at different rates, some burst on the scene at 17-18 and look the business and some take a bit longer to develop (21-22). You can't write someone off at 18-19, based on a handful of appearances in a shit side. We nearly binned off Wilson at 21.I seem to remember us saying that about people like Connor Thomas and Jack Finch.
Apart from the last game i thought our performances were picking up, not good enough but picking up. We have a new team and they need time to gell (TM has said that only the last 2 weeks he has had time to train them as before games came to quick and with match tactics and rest they never had much training time (system wise). Not sticking up for TM but i can't see anyone else we could afford/get doing any better.No, we shouldn't be at the bottom of League 1. Our budget is a lot higher than that, so it points at the manager.
We have no right to be in the Championship though do we? Then what happens when as a club we can't afford to compete?
Should we be begging to get into more debt to SISU? I certainly wouldn't want that.
You then started off making comments about free players, loans and signing players and it was as if you didn't know that was pretty much how League 1 works and a hell of a lot of fans do it as well.
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