Cov4life
Well-Known Member
Christ, it’s getting desperate when the only time you can recall us playing well is against Oxford in patches.
Just to let you know, Oxfords team value is worth 6-7 million. It really does put things into perspective.
Christ, it’s getting desperate when the only time you can recall us playing well is against Oxford in patches.don’t you remember the Oxford match?
we’ve played well in patches, excellent at some points, but really badly in big chunks, during which time the opposition have scored.
It’s not all black or white you know, it’s not that we’re either garbage or amazing.
for all the whining and posturing about midfielders, one issue has been that when we’re not playing well we concede, when we’re playing well we don’t score. If Sims had scored v Norwich the whole game changes.
it’s not just about the midfield, and we haven’t been crap all season, we just haven’t been able to maintain any kind of momentum in matches, and have failed to take chances.
I totally get that but expectations can be over the top at times , I'm incredibly guilty of that but won't throw a strop and post Armageddon like posts like some on here .Problem is that this feels like a bit of a watershed - next year for instance if we sell Van Ewijk, Wright and Sheaf and spend the money.
when we inevitably start slow again - are we going back to use the excuse “the team needs time to gel”
We appreciate where we were - it doesn’t mean we have to sit here and act like we’re still on a. Northampton hill. Expectations rightfully go up with fan backing and investment in the team
He’s an important player though and the 45m has been spent trying to rebuild a whole squad. The best players will still always be missed. We were very lucky Gyokeres was hardly out during our run to the play offs in the second half of 22/23 season, same with Hamer. Either probably would’ve derailed it
I’m with you though, Sheafs return alone probably wouldn’t solve all the issues. Getting the/a system to click is the main thing. We’ve got some good players and better depth across the squad as whole. Now for management/coaches to make it work
The point is for £45m you should be able to put out a winning Championship side. Not whatever it is we’ve seen so far.
That £45m figure you quote though is completely misleading, as it comes on the back of a team bereft of its 3 main players in Hamer, Gyokores and O'Hare. If we had spent £45m on top of having those 3 players still here, then yes that money would have enabled us to produce a Championship winning side. Without them however there are unsurprisingly huge gaps to fill, as is proving the case.
The other factor you fail to recognise is that while we might have spent a significant amount in transfer fees, we still lag behind most of our promotion chasing rivals in terms of what salaries we will pay, which by definition means we can only really bring in unproven young players with promise rather than established players that have been there and done it.
That £45m figure you quote though is completely misleading, as it comes on the back of a team bereft of its 3 main players in Hamer, Gyokores and O'Hare. If we had spent £45m on top of having those 3 players still here, then yes that money would have enabled us to produce a Championship winning side. Without them however there are unsurprisingly huge gaps to fill, as is proving the case.
The other factor you fail to recognise is that while we might have spent a significant amount in transfer fees, we still lag behind most of our promotion chasing rivals in terms of what salaries we will pay, which by definition means we can only really bring in unproven young players with promise rather than established players that have been there and done it.
And yet they’ve beaten Preston and Norwich?Christ, it’s getting desperate when the only time you can recall us playing well is against Oxford in patches.
Just to let you know, Oxfords team value is worth 6-7 million. It really does put things into perspective.
Take the point. I think there is something to show for it in terms of last season and in terms of the players we now have with enhanced sell on values. Summer 24 was heavy on attacking signings which I think are needed in the Champ. They just couldn’t get that crucial midfielder over the line.It doesn’t matter. We could have started with zero players, an in effect aside from Sheaf and Eccles and Bidwell have. £45m over two seasons is enough to build a side that should look like it knows what it’s doing.
The spending has been nothing short of spectacular under King, there has to be something to show for it.
Whats your point?And yet they’ve beaten Preston and Norwich?
My point is that you assign no credit to us playing well against Oxford yet they are clearly no back number, borne out by the wins referenced.Whats your point?
My point is that you assign no credit to us playing well against Oxford yet they are clearly no back number, borne out by the wins referenced.
Preston and Norwich are just average teams, but we made Norwich look like a top-two side on Saturday. It was an easy game for them, and it was actually their first win of the season. As for Oxford, they’re a poor team and will likely be near the bottom of the table by Christmas. If we’re clinging to decent performances against a newly promoted side that won’t do well in the league, then I don’t know what to say. We struggled against Oxford and only won due to a last-minute back pass. With a £40 million squad aiming for the playoffs, we should be doing much better.
You must have been watching a different game to me, we were dominated in midfield.We really didn't struggle against Oxford , we should have won by about 6 , we battered them all game
I clearly was
I'm saying we definitely didn't get dominated by Oxford for large parts of the game yesAre you saying we weren’t getting dominated by them for large parts of the game?
I thought we played very well vs OxfordHow cam a team be dominated for large parts of a game , whilst having 64% possession and having 27 shots to their 8 ?
Are we on the same planet ??
In the second half we had 15 shots to their 1
I thought we played very well vs Oxford
Look at this starting 11 against Wolves. What’s happened since? No Sheaf is the issue?
Already mastered the reactions like an old pro
No.
The concept that even the tea lady has slowed down since Sheaf got injured is a complete myth.
Up until this season he has had three long term injuries in two running campaigns. On all three occasions they were our stand out periods of form, with us dropping off a cliff a couple of times on his return (including at the time you referenced for the Wolves game). At this point we are just having a famously slow start to the season (see the results column below for more detail), and the same people that were convinced he was getting sold to the PL for 25 million think that the reason we suck is because he's on the medical table. Historically the opposite is true.
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To be fair last season the form was mixed with or without sheaf .
It's hard to say it's solely because of 1 player if we are honest .
We had a good win percentage with liam kelly doesn't mean it was because of him mate
I think if you compared what we pay to other teams we’re prob mid table or just below, so actually we’re maybe in the position we should be ?if you exclude the relegated teams what salaries to other teams pay? Please tell
I think if you compared what we pay to other teams we’re prob mid table or just below, so actually we’re maybe in the position we should be ?
here‘s last seasons, guessing as we’ve capped our wages can’t see it being much more than that, puts us about where we should beDunno what’s the wage bills?
But then Ipswich managed to do it on only slightly more than ushere‘s last seasons, guessing as we’ve capped our wages can’t see it being much more than that, puts us about where we should be
if you exclude the relegated teams what salaries to other teams pay? Please tell
but Then wage bills go out the window when we did this in the season we got to the finalDunno what’s the wage bills?
here‘s last seasons, guessing as we’ve capped our wages can’t see it being much more than that, puts us about where we should be
Norwich wage bill was 35 millionbut Then wage bills go out the window when we did this in the season we got to the final
You might want to check that,no way we paid that muchOurs was £18.5 million before this years signings your link is bollocks I’m afraid
It was £18m in the 22/23 accounts, looks like the articles been removed from the club site after the refreshYou might want to check that,no way we paid that much
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