baldy
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Very good players make average players look and play better than they would otherwise be capable of. We don't have any very good players in Midfield with out Sheaf. When he is back things will change BUT we needed another in there who was also very good. After losing the Preston lad to Sunderland and the Shamanic debarkle I would have thought Austin and King would work something out in the 10 weeks they had to address an obvious weak area in the team. But no, instead King just sold our most creative midfielder and decided to replace him with fresh air and optimism!!!
No one is saying get rid of the managerNew season, same old MR out narrative being spun.
Yesterday was poor and very little to take forward as a positive. However we’ve a long way to go and we’ve been here before.
Expectations and pressure are certainly higher this year, partly because we have a plethora of attacking talent we aren’t utilising, but let’s give MR a chance to work it out shall we.
Financially yes , choice of personnel no. He's just doing the deals on the options placed before him. Your comment has no context at all.Its King thats spent it! Hes taken control of all transfers
Kinda worrying that our best performance we still only nicked it in injury time. We beat them 6-2 with the reserves last year.
There was obviously plenty going on to try and get the midfielder in. It didn't happen because what was deemed as the right option couldn't get done. Would you prefer that we bought any old mid to fill the void even if he is shit?Very good players make average players look and play better than they would otherwise be capable of. We don't have any very good players in Midfield with out Sheaf. When he is back things will change BUT we needed another in there who was also very good. After losing the Preston lad to Sunderland and the Shamanic debarkle I would have thought Austin and King would work something out in the 10 weeks they had to address an obvious weak area in the team. But no, instead King just sold our most creative midfielder and decided to replace him with fresh air and optimism!!!
I think a change of the Centre backs and left back would be a good start.Robins will eventually sort it out, but will probably take a tactical and personnel change. Problem is he's so slow to react. Last season we turned a corner when he changed formation, but there were posters on here crying out for the same change months earlier.
I think a change of the Centre backs and left back would be a good start.
I’d try a personnel change before a shape change
They’re not perfect, but at least we try and penetrate through the lines too, and like you say offer a threat at set pieces. I’d definitely just back them and stick with them.I agree with you, and was thinking same. Just looking at Norwich goal yesterday, Bidwell completely out of position allowing an easy cross, Binks headed clearance down towards the centre of the area, Latibeaudiere ample time to rush out and close down the shot, but instead opts to block Dovin and deflect into his own net. It's poor all round. Thomas and Kitching aren't perfect, but they're a presence at the back, they get stuck in, they like to carry the ball, and they offer an extra threat up top.
Robins will eventually sort it out, but will probably take a tactical and personnel change. Problem is he's so slow to react. Last season we turned a corner when he changed formation, but there were posters on here crying out for the same change months earlier.
Calmed down from yesterday. Still think Robins has a lot of work to do and annoyed with the wait attitude. We can’t keep having bad starts if our season aim is play offs.
Said it pre season however robins takes time to get his formation and tactic in place but when he does it clicks.
Don’t think the break could have come at a better time but a part of me wonders how much tactical input did Adi have. Might need some of the new coaches to step up in this regard.
Robins will eventually sort it out, but will probably take a tactical and personnel change. Problem is he's so slow to react. Last season we turned a corner when he changed formation, but there were posters on here crying out for the same change months earlier.
If we’re in the same position as we are now going into January, there’s no chance King will wait until the end of the season.
Can’t do it every year tho. Take last year. While it’s a marathon, a bad start means you have to have a near perfect finish or your depending on others to slip up.We had our worst start for over 10 years when we made the playoff’s and subsequently the play off final.
As others have said, we can’t afford to miss the playoffs again as the likes of MvE, Wright, Sheaf, etc will be gone and it’ll be another massive rebuild all over again.
We have to have a wage cap. We simply cannot compete with the relegated clubs that have parachute payments and those like Hull that are funded by rich owners.Right,this is 100 % true, robins and Doug have had words , robins went begging to Doug. We need a midfielder, our players are capped at 20k a year max, all,the players that we wanted in the transfer window. Wanted more than that which. is why we Didn’t sign anyone,lots going on behind the scenes, players not happy that new players that have come in are on more than players that have been here for years, robins isn’t irreplaceable we had nearly 20 million pound on the bench today, pressures on everyone to,turn it around, Doug isn’t happy
I know Oxford were in L1 when we played them in the cup but online, one of their fans said Shit, we are playing Brazil.The thing for me is the football we were playing. Where has it gone?
This pass and move,make yourself available,never leave someone on their own football.
We were putting passing moves together that if they were in the premier league, commentators would be waxing lyrical.
Think we scored one goal where we strung 17 passes together and stuck it in the net,without the opposition touching it.
We were counter attacking at speed. We would defend a corner,and 3 seconds later be in their box.
Sometimes we applauded a throw in just because the football leading up to it was so good.
The quick passing was simply too much for most teams.
Now we are playing a completely different game,in fact I don’t know what we are trying to do. So if one of you more knowledgeable cares to explain the new style feel free.
Because unfortunately I think our signature football went out the door with Vivash.
No one is saying get rid of the manager
Share a lot of these thoughts but we were trying this approach last season too.The thing for me is the football we were playing. Where has it gone?
This pass and move,make yourself available,never leave someone on their own football.
We were putting passing moves together that if they were in the premier league, commentators would be waxing lyrical.
Think we scored one goal where we strung 17 passes together and stuck it in the net,without the opposition touching it.
We were counter attacking at speed. We would defend a corner,and 3 seconds later be in their box.
Sometimes we applauded a throw in just because the football leading up to it was so good.
The quick passing was simply too much for most teams.
Now we are playing a completely different game,in fact I don’t know what we are trying to do. So if one of you more knowledgeable cares to explain the new style feel free.
Because unfortunately I think our signature football went out the door with Vivash.
The subs are not his bag as far as I'm concerned, they're prescribed!Last season it was crystal clear what changes were needed. This time round it's really not clear what the root of the problems are (barr the CM issue) or what Robins needs to do.
I have a suspicion that MR is also at a loss given his odd selections, seemingly panic substitutions and flat post match interviews. This is what worries me and he no longer has his reliable backroom to rely on.
Can’t do it every year tho. Take last year. While it’s a marathon, a bad start means you have to have a near perfect finish or your depending on others to slip up.
That’s opinion though.
The Championship historically has shown that you can be lower half at the turn of the year and still make the playoffs.
Look it up.
I would add EMC to that as well he looks terrible on the right but twice the player when he plays on the left. Its a bit like we have the wealth of talent but we arent sure where to play them. Unless we play 2 up front then Wright will and should play on the left but where does that leave EMC who we paid a decent amount of money forRobins needs to be less obsessed with rigid formation and play to players strengths to get some tempo and flow going.
Play Wright on the left and Rudoni as a central number 8.
I think the logic was probably that all our players need a rest at times, will get niggly injuries, and drop off in form. The current issue is that very few of the players have any form at the moment, and where players seem in reasonable nick we have 2 players in reasonable form in those positions, and then it exasperates the areas where we have issues. Dovin/Wilson not in bad form, MVE has started well. Wright/EMC both doing ok, Bassette started ok.I would add EMC to that as well he looks terrible on the right but twice the player when he plays on the left. Its a bit like we have the wealth of talent but we arent sure where to play them. Unless we play 2 up front then Wright will and should play on the left but where does that leave EMC who we paid a decent amount of money for
True, but that season was a low bar points wise for the top 6 wasn't it? We left ourselves with a lot to do that season, common logic says that is not going to be reliably repeatable.We had our worst start for over 10 years when we made the playoff’s and subsequently the play off final.
I think it's down to instruction, the players looked like they didn't know what to do. Off the ball we were a mixture of sitting deep and pressing which left gaps all over the pitch.Last season it was crystal clear what changes were needed. This time round it's really not clear what the root of the problems are (barr the CM issue) or what Robins needs to do.
I have a suspicion that MR is also at a loss given his odd selections, seemingly panic substitutions and flat post match interviews. This is what worries me and he no longer has his reliable backroom to rely on.
2022/23 was 3 points difference to last season to make the play off’s.True, but that season was a low bar points wise for the top 6 wasn't it? We left ourselves with a lot to do that season, common logic says that is not going to be reliably repeatable.
For me we needed to be getting something like 18 points from the first 10 games, that is still doable but a big ask at this point.
Hopefully the international break has come at the right time for us, we need to get back to basics I feel. I find it alarming how easy we are to play through at times (this was evident in pre season, especially against Everton). In the second half the players looked genuinely clueless off the ball.
2/3 of our midfield aren’t available to usLook at this starting 11 against Wolves. What’s happened since? No Sheaf is the issue?
So we say that, what was Lati's role that day?2/3 of our midfield aren’t available to us.
22/23 had the second fewest point's required for the top 6 in the last 20 seasons (68 points in 08/09).2022/23 was 3 points difference to last season to make the play off’s.
Been between 70 & 75 points 6 out the last 7 seasons.
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