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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #841
Evo1883 said:
There is no desperation at all , and it's certainly not extreme to suggest that Mark robins is not solely to blame for the players at the club and the holes in our squad


There is never a less true statement said than mark robins wasted 45 million pound

He is 1 part of a larger scale operation , the rest of the operation will remain for the new man
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100% on the statement. Robins and his team earned every bit of the fees.

Think it’s more just acknowledging that Robins has a hand in the transfers where as the new head coach won’t outside of setting targets I’d imagine.

Ultimately I think the club outside of a few fees have done good business and we will definitely see return on a couple of investments (Milan and Wright)
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #842
Evo1883 said:
Before Dean Austin and the current network we had 1 or 2 scouts, Dave boddy, mark robins and viveash
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It's was Chris badlan before, Tommy widdrington before that.

It would have been the same thing, they go out and identify players and have a list. The manager has the final say with a yes or no.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make?
 

Sky Blue Goblin

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #843
Evo1883 said:
Before Dean Austin and the current network we had 1 or 2 scouts, Dave boddy, mark robins and viveash
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God bless the Chelsea youth network
 
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Nick

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  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #844
Evo1883 said:
There is no desperation at all , and it's certainly not extreme to suggest that Mark robins is not solely to blame for the players at the club and the holes in our squad


There is never a less true statement said than mark robins wasted 45 million pound

He is 1 part of a larger scale operation , the rest of the operation will remain for the new man
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He will have over seen it and said yes or no to the players. He would have been involved with discussing what they are worth as well.
 

Evo1883

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  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #845
Nick said:
He will have over seen it and said yes or no to the players. He would have been involved with discussing what they are worth as well.
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You think mark robins was involved in negotiating player prices ? Lol come off it
 
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Evo1883

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  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #846
Nick said:
It's was Chris badlan before, Tommy widdrington before that.

It would have been the same thing, they go out and identify players and have a list. The manager has the final say with a yes or no.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make?
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I didn't know their names , but it was 1 or 2 people wasn't it ? As I said
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #847
Nick said:
It's was Chris badlan before, Tommy widdrington before that.

It would have been the same thing, they go out and identify players and have a list. The manager has the final say with a yes or no.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make?
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Actually the point I'm making is pre the new structure robins had more of a say in who he wanted to sign .. boddy used to actively pursue a player if robins really wanted him

 

Sky Blue Goblin

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #848
Evo1883 said:
You think mark robins was involved in negotiating player prices ? Lol come off it
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Yeah no, the transfer dealing is dean for initial contact and Doug for fees. Think the posh podcast is good for this.

Robins would say fees don’t matter anyway for players since that doesn’t always reflect ability if I’m not wrong
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #849
Evo1883 said:
You think mark robins was involved in negotiating player prices ? Lol come off it
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No, he would be involved in discussing what they are worth before the negotiation.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #850
Evo1883 said:
Actually the point I'm making is pre the new structure robins had more of a say in who he wanted to sign .. boddy used to actively pursue a player if robins really wanted him

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You could say king pursued players after robins said yes to them after the scouts identified them?
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #851
Evo1883 said:
Actually the point I'm making is pre the new structure robins had more of a say in who he wanted to sign .. boddy used to actively pursue a player if robins really wanted him

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Think this was still the case. Think it was Saddle who said Mark was really high up on Liam Kitching which is why we pursed him and overpaid for him in January
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #852
Evo1883 said:
I'm not saying doug king is picking and signing players though ?

Austin joined in December 22
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No, you weren’t. However, the post I responded to said that DK drove the recruitment.

Most managers aren’t watching and picking players as they would have been in 1990-2010s. Everything is data driven and clubs signing players for the ‘head coaches’ (hired on their footballing philosophies) to ensure continuity (in theory).

Was Austin a DK hire? I’m not 100% certain he was.
 

Evo1883

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  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #853
Nick said:
No, he would be involved in discussing what they are worth before the negotiation.
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Well I'm sure yes somebody said , he's worth that and Mark said ooooh bloody hell
 

Evo1883

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  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #854
Mucca Mad Boys said:
No, you weren’t. However, the post I responded to said that DK drove the recruitment.

Most managers aren’t watching and picking players as they would have been in 1990-2010s. Everything is data driven and clubs signing players for the ‘head coaches’ (hired on their footballing philosophies) to ensure continuity (in theory).

Was Austin a DK hire? I’m not 100% certain he was.
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He came in a month before doug
 
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Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #855
Nick said:
You could say king pursued players after robins said yes to them after the scouts identified them?
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You are so hard to chat to , so much whataboutery all the time.

Do you think with the more expansive network we have now that Mark robins has as much say as he had under Dave boddy yes or no ..

Personally I think no ... that's it

Im pretty sure mark constantly talked about things not being part of his remit anymore
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #856
“He’s been on the radar for a while,” said Robins, who hasn't ruled out another 'surprise' in the window. “The recruitment department bring them to me at the end of the process and then I get involved at that stage. They have looked at quite a lot of games of him and been over to Norway to conclude the deal, and they came over and completed the medical on Thursday. That was quite a swift thing and he’s here and ready to start work.



Let's hope it's not robins being told what to say.
 

Calista

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #857
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well nobody at the club made that promise in the first place, and while I had us down for a play-off finish this season, most of us on here didn't have us down for the autos. Certainly nobody expected us to underperform as much as we have done, including pundits, the bookies, fans of other teams etc.

Then again nobody will have predicted Luton to be so far down the table either and I imagine Rob Edwards will be gone soon because of it. So it isn't just us in fairness.
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Sorry, I didn't mean 'promise' in that sense, I meant as in how 'promising' things looked before the season started. Whatever way you look at it, we've failed to perform as well as we hoped.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #858
Evo1883 said:
You are so hard to chat to , so much whataboutery all the time.

Do you think with the more expansive network we have now that Mark robins has as much say as he had under Dave boddy yes or no ..

Personally I think no ... that's it

Im pretty sure mark constantly talked about things not being part of his remit anymore
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A scouting network doesn't mean a manager has more or less say.

We had a scouting team with Chris badlan as well.

It's not whataboutery, is it?
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #859
Nick said:
A scouting network doesn't mean a manager has more or less say.

We had a scouting team with Chris badlan as well.

It's not whataboutery, is it?
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Ok nick what I've done is got the words from the horses mouth to stop the debate

He clearly states he's involved , but not as much as before

So that's it , nothing more to say

Mark Robins' backseat role with Coventry City transfers explained

Coventry City transfer news from CoventryLive as we take a look at what manager Mark Robins has said about his revised role regarding the club's transfer process
www.coventrytelegraph.net
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #860
Evo1883 said:
Ok nick what I've done is got the words from the horses mouth to stop the debate

He clearly states he's involved , but not as much as before

So that's it , nothing more to say

Mark Robins' backseat role with Coventry City transfers explained

Coventry City transfer news from CoventryLive as we take a look at what manager Mark Robins has said about his revised role regarding the club's transfer process
www.coventrytelegraph.net
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Yeah, he still had the final say after targets are identified by the scouts

It's miles away from the "king is handling all the transfers" stuff being pushed.
 

Evo1883

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  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #861
Nick said:
Yeah, he still had the final say after targets are identified by the scouts
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So you've read that he now has less involvement than before , where he said he used to do everything pretty much ??

Now he's saying yes or no to the scouts who are paid to do the job of identifying the players , which is what I've said all along ... cheers

Not sure what's funny you've argued with me and you're wrong , he doesn't identify players , he doesn't negotiate fees and he used to be far more involved
 

Evo1883

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  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #862
Nick said:
Yeah, he still had the final say after targets are identified by the scouts

It's miles away from the "king is handling all the transfers" stuff being pushed.
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I haven't said king Is handling the transfers
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #863
Evo1883 said:
So you've read that he now has less involvement than before , where he said he used to do everything pretty much ??

Now he's saying yes or no to the scouts who are paid to do the job of identifying the players , which is what I've said all along ... cheers

Not sure what's funny you've argued with me and you're wrong
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And I'm saying we have had scouts for years identifying players.

It was Chris badlan and others before and then Tommy widdrington before that who were identifying players.
 

Evo1883

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  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #864
Nick said:
And I'm saying we have had scouts for years identifying players.

It was Chris badlan and others before and then Tommy widdrington before that who were identifying players.
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But as robins said , he used to be more involved .. you've read it in black and white mate
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #865
Evo1883 said:
Ok nick what I've done is got the words from the horses mouth to stop the debate

He clearly states he's involved , but not as much as before

So that's it , nothing more to say

Mark Robins' backseat role with Coventry City transfers explained

Coventry City transfer news from CoventryLive as we take a look at what manager Mark Robins has said about his revised role regarding the club's transfer process
www.coventrytelegraph.net
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And the Claire Roberts interview 5 months later totally contradicts that. Although that will have only been the case for 1 window.
 
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Nick

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  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #866
Evo1883 said:
But as robins said , he used to be more involved .. you've read it in black and white mate
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So it's not robins fault because he's got a bigger scouting network finding him players to say yes or no to?

Christ it was only a few years ago Andy thorn was identifying players for us
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #867
clint van damme said:
And the Claire Roberts interview 5 months later totally contradicts that. Although that will have only been the case for 1 window.
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Coventry City's unique transfer sifting strategy

Coventry City news from CoventryLive as we remind fans of the Sky Blues fascinating approach to recruiting the right players
www.coventrytelegraph.net
 
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Evo1883

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  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #868
Nick said:
So it's not robins fault because he's got a bigger scouting network finding him players to say yes or no to?
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So the telegraph are trying to make robins look good and are lying that he's got less involvement ?

Il just do what you do
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #869
Nick said:
So it's not robins fault because he's got a bigger scouting network finding him players to say yes or no to?

Christ it was only a few years ago Andy thorn was identifying players for us
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Andy thorn was always a decent scout , his record stands up
 

Calista

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #870
Sick Boy said:
I think the forum has zero effect on the club’s decisions.
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OK I get you, so I overestimated by 100%. From a practical perspective, little point in anyone ever saying anything on here about club policies then. They never take fans' opinions into account.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter whether we agree, and maybe you're right. I've just hated the feckin awful overblown negativity on here this season, undermining confidence and bothering Robins enough to complain about keyboard warriors. And taken far enough by some as to post bold demands for a good man to be sacked.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #871
Evo1883 said:

Coventry City's unique transfer sifting strategy

Coventry City news from CoventryLive as we remind fans of the Sky Blues fascinating approach to recruiting the right players
www.coventrytelegraph.net
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It still says robins has the final say because he has to manage the players and shes supporting him.
 

Evo1883

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  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #872
Nick said:
It still says robins has the final say
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Which nobody is or has ever disputed , you either have no idea what you're arguing about or you just want to argue with me for the crack .. so which is it


Again for the people at the back , why would mark say no to his staff that are employed to get this sort of stuff right ?
And again , our recruitment hasn't even been bad

"Hi Mark we've got this player that we think will improve the team , he's got all the attributes and his data is good , we think he will make us better and have good sell on potential in the future "


Mark robins " nah "
 
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Nick

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  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #873
Evo1883 said:
Which nobody is or has ever disputed , you either have no idea what you're arguing about or you just want to argue with me for the crack .. so which is it
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Ok so this is how it works

The manager says he wants players
The scouts find them, do all the research, compile a list and take them to the manager
They have the final say of yes or no
It then goes to somebody above to do the negotiations


It was how it worked before and how it works now, ok apart from having the psychologist helping with that and having an input to robins.

There's also been a few players recently robins has chased (so to speak)..

Having a scouting network isn't a new thing.
 

Evo1883

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  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #874
Nick said:
Ok so this is how it works

The manager says he wants players
The scouts find them, do all the research, compile a list and take them to the manager
They have the final say of yes or no
It then goes to somebody above to do the negotiations


It was how it worked before and how it works now, ok apart from having the psychologist helping with that and having an input to robins.

There's also been a few players recently robins has chased (so to speak)..

Having a scouting network isn't a new thing.
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You have no idea how it works btw , cheers


Fact : mark robins isn't solely responsible for the players we sign , he's simply saying yes or no to the people paid to get the right players in .

Why would he say no ? None of these players will look bad in a compiled video
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 10, 2024
  • #875
EMC's transfer was a bizarre one, must have been planning a Wright sale?
 
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