No, not equally. The risk is higher for covid than the vaccine. If you’re concerned about heart issues the data say get vaccinated.
Again, it comes down to age.
How many young people have died from it? I can tell you, here it is 176 under 50, 600 or so between 50 and 60. About 15,000 above those age ranges.
The numbers on how the jab effects people are not as certain and I can see why younger people refuse it.
Look at the data. Yes the risk is only higher in the under 40s.
That risk jumps up to a maximum of 6 cases in a million. For being infected it’s 40. There were around 30 million people featured in the study.
It’s not up for debate, not even close.
Dude. 30 million people in one study. How much more do you need? Genuinely.
Again, it comes down to age.
How many young people have died from it? I can tell you, here it is 176 under 50, 600 or so between 50 and 60. About 15,000 above those age ranges.
The numbers on how the jab effects people are not as certain and I can see why younger people refuse it.
How many healthy people have died in the UK of covid under 40? Not with, of.
Now tell me how many have died from the jab in the UK under 40.
The numbers on both are minuscule. Of course people are going to fancy taking their chances when other factors are weighed in.
Don’t tell me myocarditis and ‘we don’t know the effects’ then when we very clearly do. If a player has concerns for these reasons he should rest assured it makes more medical sense to get the jab than infected.
Why aren’t the numbers certain?
Likely more people have had the vaccine than Covid, how many have died from that? According to what I can find from the ONS it’s 5 up to August 2021 across all age groups. So an order of magnitude less.
You’re on a lot stronger ground making a moral case like @Evo1883 does for it being a choice. But the science is clear it’s a dumb choice.
The figures on how many people have died from the jab are ambiguous at best. It might be low, but the amount of young people that have died from the virus itself largely isn't ambiguous, and that is extremely low.
The number is so low in fact, how can you make a case for them to get the vaccine?
17 million people live in the Netherlands. 176 under 50's have died from the virus over two fucking years. One hundred and seventy six. Try telling people to listen to someone like you who wants to make vaccines mandatory that they should get the jab when they know what the facts are about virus risk and death. The long term effects of the jab are unknown, there is also clearly *a* risk of myocarditis as well, even if it is low. People aren't stupid. They look at the numbers and question why they should bother.
The risk of myocarditis is higher if you're infected with COVID instead of vaccinated against it. To reiterate, that's based on a data analysis of 30 million people in England alone. The point of getting jabbed for younger people is to generally reduce transmission in the community and reduce the probability of variants coming about.
Much to the contrary, not getting it is the stupid thing to do. While we're at it stop telling me I think they should be mandatory-the closest I've said is in the health service and if not then they should have to prove they're negative every day they go in. For someone who claims to be jabbed himself all you have really done for months is say why people shouldn't get it
You have given no good reason for why young people should get the jab. You always shy away from it because those facts don't suit your narrative.
I've always maintained the vaccine is invaluable for older and vulnerable people, but the perspective on the virus and vaccine has completely been lost in some kind of strange culture war.
You have given no good reason for why young people should get the jab. You always shy away from it because those facts don't suit your narrative.
The point of getting jabbed for younger people is to generally reduce transmission in the community and reduce the probability of variants coming about.
Totally agree anyone who was not jabbed would be on the transfer list if I was manager just selfish bustardsIf true I think he should be encouraged by whispering “no jab pal no contract next season”
There is a serious chance that I f you go out you will be hit by a meteoriteBut what if it isn´t a load of shit?
One poster on here legitimately had a heart attack after his first jab and was advised by a doctor to not have another one, but there were posters on here trying to change his mind.
Because they are selfish bastards and don’t give a shit for those more vulnerableAgain, it comes down to age.
How many young people have died from it? I can tell you, here it is 176 under 50, 600 or so between 50 and 60. About 15,000 above those age ranges.
The numbers on how the jab effects people are not as certain and I can see why younger people refuse it.
I’ve just seen Shipley in a soft play centre in leamington, you would have thought they would be asked to stay away from places like that a hot unventilated warehouse where most of the people won’t be vaccinated
5 people in the UK have died after having the jab? It might be low, but I find it very hard to believe it is that low.
Again, even if it is 5, people will still see it as an unnecessary risk. Especially if they are young and/or have already had the virus and recovered.
The whole concept of natural immunity has been thrown out, which is a separate point granted.
Yes , it was me mate, but I've given up trying to voice my opinion (until now) the qualified scientists on here will always shout you down with their feared brainwashed rhetoric.But what if it isn´t a load of shit?
One poster on here legitimately had a heart attack after his first jab and was advised by a doctor to not have another one, but there were posters on here trying to change his mind.
Yes , it was me mate, but I've given up trying to voice my opinion (until now) the qualified scientists on here will always shout you down with their feared brainwashed rhetoric.
However , Happy new year everybody and can't wait to hear the excuses as we move forward into normal life .
90% of people in hospital with COVID have NOT been vaccinated.
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no it’s in ICU not hospital
Splitting hairs, it's still hospital.
No it’s not and anti vaxxers like ESB would be all over that sort of post unless it’s corrected
Surprise surprise ESB talking nonsense again.No it’s not and anti vaxxers like ESB would be all over that sort of post unless it’s corrected
It not just about self, it’s about reducing risk to society. People are happy enough to reap the benefits of society - I wonder how much of the income tax I pay has supported vaccine refuseniks through furlough.You have given no good reason for why young people should get the jab. You always shy away from it because those facts don't suit your narrative.
I've always maintained the vaccine is invaluable for older and vulnerable people, but the perspective on the virus and vaccine has completely been lost in some kind of strange culture war.
I note the use of the word after, not because of.But what if it isn´t a load of shit?
One poster on here legitimately had a heart attack after his first jab and was advised by a doctor to not have another one, but there were posters on here trying to change his mind.
What are the facts about vaccination risk and death?The figures on how many people have died from the jab are ambiguous at best. It might be low, but the amount of young people that have died from the virus itself largely isn't ambiguous, and that is extremely low.
The number is so low in fact, how can you make a case for them to get the vaccine?
17 million people live in the Netherlands. 176 under 50's have died from the virus over two fucking years. One hundred and seventy six. Try telling people to listen to someone like you who wants to make vaccines mandatory that they should get the jab when they know what the facts are about virus risk and death. The long term effects of the jab are unknown, there is also clearly *a* risk of myocarditis as well, even if it is low. People aren't stupid. They look at the numbers and question why they should bother.
I heard Boris Johnson say earlier in the week that 90% in hospital/ICU (whatever it is) didn't have the booster90% of people in hospital with COVID have NOT been vaccinated.
Wasps playing this weekend?Coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccines adverse reactions
A report covering adverse reactions to approved COVID-19 vaccineswww.gov.uk
Lot to read in first document but the conclusion seems pretty clear. The risks of not being vaccinated and dying are far far higher than the risk from dying from an adverse reaction to the vaccine.
The risks of each type of reaction are listed about 2 thirds through
Personal decision of course but so would the second decisions others who are vaccinated might take in response. So long as there is no repercussions for the second decision remain unvaccinated and put yourself, those you love, and others at increased risk physically emotionally and mentally - just my opinion and how I feel about it, I find it incredibly selfish, illogical. Nothing to do with freedom as is so often put forward - its about taking responsibility for you and OTHERS.
Yes there are people at risk from the wrong type of vaccine or any vaccine but to place the decision on the physiology of a complete strangers reaction not your own physiology seems a little illogical to me. Speak to a medic and see if you are fit to take it, get your self checked out, don't rely on social media chit chat from people unqualified to know and most likely only interested in making a social media name for themselves.
Plenty of jobs require certain vaccinations, lots of holiday destinations etc and no one bats an eye about it. All vaccinations carry a risk and consequences for not taking it.
Life is a risk, the target is to live that life to the full without relying on others to dig you out of crisis or making the ones you love suffer because of a decision you made from being badly informed
If after reading the link at the start people feel the same then as much as I would disagree I would respect their informed decision so long as they respect mine and any actions I take to mitigate my risk
Well saidCoronavirus (COVID-19) vaccines adverse reactions
A report covering adverse reactions to approved COVID-19 vaccineswww.gov.uk
Lot to read in first document but the conclusion seems pretty clear. The risks of not being vaccinated and dying are far far higher than the risk from dying from an adverse reaction to the vaccine.
The risks of each type of reaction are listed about 2 thirds through
Personal decision of course but so would the second decisions others who are vaccinated might take in response. So long as there is no repercussions for the second decision remain unvaccinated and put yourself, those you love, and others at increased risk physically emotionally and mentally - just my opinion and how I feel about it, I find it incredibly selfish, illogical. Nothing to do with freedom as is so often put forward - its about taking responsibility for you and OTHERS.
Yes there are people at risk from the wrong type of vaccine or any vaccine but to place the decision on the physiology of a complete strangers reaction not your own physiology seems a little illogical to me. Speak to a medic and see if you are fit to take it, get your self checked out, don't rely on social media chit chat from people unqualified to know and most likely only interested in making a social media name for themselves.
Plenty of jobs require certain vaccinations, lots of holiday destinations etc and no one bats an eye about it. All vaccinations carry a risk and consequences for not taking it.
Life is a risk, the target is to live that life to the full without relying on others to dig you out of crisis or making the ones you love suffer because of a decision you made from being badly informed
If after reading the link at the start people feel the same then as much as I would disagree I would respect their informed decision so long as they respect mine and any actions I take to mitigate my risk
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