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Deleted member 5849

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #36
skybluetony176 said:
If you feel you have to put a warning on them somewhere saying at the time of writing some of the language was culturally acceptable then do
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Like the Tipper Gore inspired warning about bad language on rock albums... that meant even bands without bad language on their albums insisted on the warning sticker, as it made them look cool?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #37
I personally think that any history that people don't like should be instantly erased forever. Hitler was a horrible man, we should pretend it never happened.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #38
skybluetony176 said:
If you feel you have to put a warning on them somewhere saying at the time of writing some of the language was culturally acceptable then do but don’t rewrite them. They do something similar with Only Fools and Horses re-runs. It’s not acceptable today to refer to a corner shop in a manner it was regularly referred to in the 70’s and 80’s due to the owners origins for example, as Del Boy often does in Only Fools and Horses. Even though a lot of the owners were in fact from India not its neighbouring country.

For me it’s educational, it’s social commentary, it’s a measure of how far (the majority of us at least) have come in reshaping attitudes for the better. Writing out history is dangerous, whether that be a character’s name in a book or getting upset that the National Trust tells you where the money came from to build certain buildings, stately homes etc. Both left and right want to do it and it’s dangerous regardless of which “side” is doing it.
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Or when they edited out some of the Major’s lines in Fawlty Towers, missing out the entire point that his character is a parody.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #39
it's weird you folk getting upset over something the Dahl family are sound with

strange folk need to be angry at something
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #40
Nick said:
I personally think that any history that people don't like should be instantly erased forever. Hitler was a horrible man, we should pretend it never happened.
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That’s kind of the point. In Germany they don’t shy away from education on the atrocities committed by Nazi Germany, think it’s still part of the curriculum in Germany. One of the reasons they’re so apologetic about it. I’m watching a travelogue of a Dutch woman who motorcycling around the world. Currently on the period she was in South Africa, she isn’t shying away from Netherlands involvement in South Africa and is constantly apologising, especially it’s involvement in the diamond mining history. Try mentioning the Boer war in this country and the atrocities we committed and the right lose their shit, you get someone like Rees-Mogg on question time doing cartwheels in his head to deny and water down what we did.

Erasing or rewriting history is dangerous, you can’t learn anything from it.
 
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Nick

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #41
David O'Day said:
it's weird you folk getting upset over something the Dahl family are sound with

strange folk need to be angry at something
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Ironic.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #42
Nick said:
Ironic.
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hi alanis, still not figured out what irony is yet then
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #43
Nick said:
Ironic.
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In the extreme.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #44
David O'Day said:
it's weird you folk getting upset over something the Dahl family are sound with

strange folk need to be angry at something
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But you chose Gerry Adams as your hero.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #45
I think it’s ridiculous, especially as new offences have been introduced. Changing Cashier to Top Scientist for example, I see the aim but there’s nothing wrong with being a cashier. Similarly no reason to make Mathilda read Jane Austin just because she’s a girl. The witches wig bit is ludicrous as well.

It’s their IP and they can do what they want, but I’d like to see them sell both copies clearly labelled for a bit just to see which sells best. I know what my money is on.
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #46
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Or when they edited out some of the Major’s lines in Fawlty Towers, missing out the entire point that his character is a parody.
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Same as Alf Garnett which was a send to character
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #47
SBT said:
I don’t think they’re running around burning old editions of Matilda, you’ll be perfectly able to read the version you want.

I suppose you could impose some sort of rule that would prevent any work of fiction from ever being edited or updated. I’m just not that keen to restrict free speech like that.
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Is it " updating " ?
Grendel said:
Same as Alf Garnett which was a send to character
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......and then there's Love thy Neighbour ! Who always came out on top at the end of each episode ? A fact often missed amongst the choice language .
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #48
David O'Day said:
it's weird you folk getting upset over something the Dahl family are sound with

strange folk need to be angry at something
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Don’t think the man himself would be.
 

Terry_dactyl

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #49
It seems Roald Dahl himself changed his original works due to his concerns about the potential racist depiction of the Oompa Lumpas.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #50
Terry_dactyl said:
It seems Roald Dahl himself changed his original works due to his concerns about the potential racist depiction of the Oompa Lumpas.
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he was very racist so I doubt that!
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #51
skybluetony176 said:
That’s kind of the point. In Germany they don’t shy away from education on the atrocities committed by Nazi Germany, think it’s still part of the curriculum in Germany. One of the reasons they’re so apologetic about it. I’m watching a travelogue of a Dutch woman who motorcycling around the world. Currently on the period she was in South Africa, she isn’t shying away from Netherlands involvement in South Africa and is constantly apologising, especially it’s involvement in the diamond mining history. Try mentioning the Boer war in this country and the atrocities we committed and the right lose their shit, you get someone like Rees-Mogg on question time doing cartwheels in his head to deny and water down what we did.

Erasing or rewriting history is dangerous, you can’t learn anything from it.
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Ffs Tony, only you could see this as an opportunity to shoehorn in something about JRM on a footie forum. Quite a skill you have there
 
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Nick

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #52
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Is it " updating " ?

......and then there's Love thy Neighbour ! Who always came out on top at the end of each episode ? A fact often missed amongst the choice language .
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That's because people don't get context.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #53
The oompaloompas are now " small people" rather than the highly offensive "small men"

Really ?
 

Terry_dactyl

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  • Feb 21, 2023
  • #54
Grendel said:
he was very racist so I doubt that!
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Maybe he just wanted to sell more books…
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 22, 2023
  • #55
Deleted member 5849 said:
Like the Tipper Gore inspired warning about bad language on rock albums... that meant even bands without bad language on their albums insisted on the warning sticker, as it made them look cool?
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Are there actually age restrictions on books at all?
 

rob9872

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  • Feb 22, 2023
  • #56
Grendel said:
Are there actually age restrictions on books at all?
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I think Razzle is still 18+
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 22, 2023
  • #57
Grendel said:
Are there actually age restrictions on books at all?
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I think they tried with American Psycho.
 

clint van damme

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  • Feb 22, 2023
  • #58
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I think they tried with American Psycho.
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Not surprised!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 22, 2023
  • #59
clint van damme said:
Not surprised!
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As you said before, the film is better than the book-and probably less X rated
 
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richnrg

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 23, 2023
  • #60
clint van damme said:
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it should be "mum's"
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 24, 2023
  • #61
See they’re now releasing the originals as well. Whining on the internet works people!
 

TomRad85

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  • Feb 24, 2023
  • #62
shmmeee said:
See they’re now releasing the originals as well. Whining on the internet works people!
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Clearly marked as 'original edition' and 'little bitch edition' I hope.

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chiefdave

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  • Feb 24, 2023
  • #63
shmmeee said:
See they’re now releasing the originals as well. Whining on the internet works people!
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Almost like it was all a big marketing stunt
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 24, 2023
  • #64
shmmeee said:
See they’re now releasing the originals as well. Whining on the internet works people!
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Told it was a marketing campaign
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 24, 2023
  • #65
Anyway, I've just heard they're after Scorcese's back catalogue now, trying to tone it down for the woke brigade

 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Feb 24, 2023
  • #66
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
If it were me I'd be using it as a marketing ploy. Make these changes but then soon after reprint them with the original texts. Could see them sell quite a few original texts afterwards as people make a 'protest' and to show their feeling.
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tisza

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  • Feb 24, 2023
  • #67
always a slippery slope for me. Literature, the Arts etc need to be taken in the context of the times in which they were created. Artists accused of fat shaming in female portraits from 200/300 years when in fact they were a celebration of what was considered the epitome of beauty at the time another example.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 24, 2023
  • #68
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
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Ohhhh you’re hard, showing off ‘cos…
 
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SBT

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  • Feb 24, 2023
  • #69
fernandopartridge said:
Told it was a marketing campaign
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Sounds a bit too Nathan For You to be real…
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2023
  • #70
That damaged Koran malarkey in Wakefield is a bit disturbing as well.
Death threats to a 14 year old autistic boy?
They should find the culprits and jail them.
 
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