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MAFF

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #71
SkyblueBazza said:
Errrrrr...he HAS already been elected by his own party members

...onwards & upwards PUSB
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if you think corbyn can win an election, you are deluded.
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #72
IMissMAF said:
if you think corbyn can win an election, you are deluded.
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But the point is that he already has within his own party! And many others in his constituency.

...onwards & upwards PUSB
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #73
IMissMAF said:
if you think corbyn can win an election, you are deluded.
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If you apply that logic then neither can the conservatives, they have an even smaller slice of the pie than labour.
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2016
  • #74
This thread took an unexpected turn.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 15, 2016
  • #75
chiefdave said:
If you apply that logic then neither can the conservatives, they have an even smaller slice of the pie than labour.
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Hasn't Corbyn got the lowest popularity ratings for a leader in the UK?
 
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Astute

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  • Jul 15, 2016
  • #76
Grendel said:
Hasn't Corbyn got the lowest popularity ratings for a leader in the UK?
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He is less popular than Farage.

I have the right to vote for a new leader. I don't know anyone that would vote for him. But between the £3 voters and the unions the odds are he will stay. A lot of money goes to Labour from the unions. And Corbyn is bowing to the unions. So the unions get their way and the Conservatives get in again.
 

MAFF

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  • Jul 15, 2016
  • #77
chiefdave said:
If you apply that logic then neither can the conservatives, they have an even smaller slice of the pie than labour.
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I was merely saying the fact he can win within his own party does not show he can win an election!
 

chiefdave

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  • Jul 15, 2016
  • #78
Grendel said:
Hasn't Corbyn got the lowest popularity ratings for a leader in the UK?
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Astute

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  • Jul 15, 2016
  • #79
chiefdave said:
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So most people think he is doing his job badly, 47%don't trust him financially and 53% of Labour supporters are deluded if they think they will win the next election under Jezza
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 15, 2016
  • #80
Astute said:
So most people think he is doing his job badly, 47%don't trust him financially and 53% of Labour supporters are deluded if they think they will win the next election under Jezza
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The key is how it compares to others. More people think Cameron is (was) doing his job badly, 70% don't trust Osbourne financially. When you compare the two doesn't look such a bad result for Corbyn.
 
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mrtrench

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  • Jul 15, 2016
  • #81
I don't care what levels of support McDonnell and Corbyn receive. I don't care how they dress; I don't even care that they lack charisma.

I do care that they head up a mob of nasty people and given the chance for power would ruin the country economically and socially - just like all their co-disciples have done in every single country where they've tried through history. Every single country, every time.

There is a reason why these countries become police states and refuse emigration - it's because the people are desperately unhappy and given a chance would vote them out or leave.

Until very recently, Chavez received huge support from the Venezuelans. He received a glowing commendation from the simpleton bully Owen Jones1 in the Guardian. But it didn't take long until he lead Venezuela to poverty and misery.

I'm not given to hyperbole - I almost always can see both sides of an argument and hence find it difficult to have an opinion on many issues. However the danger of Corbyn is very clear to me. If he came into power I would emigrate before he could get his hands on the savings I've spent a lifetime of long hours accumulating.

1 I base this comment on the numerous times I have heard him spouting complete bollocks on TV, talking over everyone else and raising his voice if anyone dares to try and get a word in. Not on his recent text.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jul 15, 2016
  • #82
mrtrench said:
I do care that they head up a mob of nasty people and given the chance for power would ruin the country economically and socially
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But that's democracy. We can't start picking and choosing who is allowed to stand. If their policies are as bad as you say they are then it is up to the other parties to highlight the problems and question them on it so that they don't obtain enough votes to gain power.

Its a very dangerous road to go down if we say Corbyn can't be leader after the party membership have voted overwhelmingly for him.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 15, 2016
  • #83
What I don't understand is.

The other day when they were filming Corbyn, he came out of his house and got into one of these:



What is all that about?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 15, 2016
  • #84
chiefdave said:
The key is how it compares to others. More people think Cameron is (was) doing his job badly, 70% don't trust Osbourne financially. When you compare the two doesn't look such a bad result for Corbyn.
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It's actually a shocking result for Corbyn. His latest ratings show only 24% consider he is doing a good job.

You always expect opposition leaders to be well ahead in polls such as these at times like these when there has been a major decision which 48% don't agree with.

It's dreadful and down there with Michael Foot in the early 80's
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Jul 15, 2016
  • #85
chiefdave said:
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Think the situation has changed substantially since those polls.
 

mrtrench

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 15, 2016
  • #86
chiefdave said:
But that's democracy. We can't start picking and choosing who is allowed to stand. If their policies are as bad as you say they are then it is up to the other parties to highlight the problems and question them on it so that they don't obtain enough votes to gain power.

Its a very dangerous road to go down if we say Corbyn can't be leader after the party membership have voted overwhelmingly for him.
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I agree. Totally behind free speech and freedom of choice by the electorate.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 16, 2016
  • #87
Three-quarters of newspaper stories about Jeremy Corbyn fail to accurately report his views, LSE study finds

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...rters-fail-to-accurately-report-a7140681.html
 
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robbieray

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  • Jul 16, 2016
  • #88
Give Dennis Skinner the job
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 19, 2016
  • #89
So... it's Smith v Corbyn.

Early days, but Smith has been making the right noises for me. Let's see how it pans out.
 
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Otis

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  • Jul 19, 2016
  • #90
Deleted member 5849 said:
So... it's Smith v Corbyn.

Early days, but Smith has been making the right noises for me. Let's see how it pans out.
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I know little about Smith. Need to read up in him.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 19, 2016
  • #91
Otis said:
I know little about Smith. Need to read up in him.
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Aye, likewise. Not so keen about him being a lobbyist for Pfizer.

His tone's been more left of Eagle though, and more conciliatory towards Corbyn. Both of those are good.

You'd also assume, with media experience, that he recognises the importance of *presenting* your ideas if you want to win an election. Let's see.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Jul 19, 2016
  • #92
Deleted member 5849 said:
So... it's Smith v Corbyn.

Early days, but Smith has been making the right noises for me. Let's see how it pans out.
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Like blow £200bn the country hasn't got and won't take from those who have, just those who have not.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 19, 2016
  • #93
Smith is a supporter of PFI, privatising the NHS and privatising schools. He abstained from the vote rather than vote against Conservative benefit cuts. Also a big supporter of the arms industry.

He wants to block article 50 being invoked and hold a second referendum.

Wouldn't be at all out of place on sitting on the benches on the other side of parliament.

My favourite though is when he worked for the BBC and was asked to get a comment from the police on a breaking story. He phoned 999 :facepalm:
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 19, 2016
  • #94
chiefdave said:
Smith is a supporter of PFI, privatising the NHS and privatising schools. He abstained from the vote rather than vote against Conservative benefit cuts. Also a big supporter of the arms industry.
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OK, he's lost me before it began
 
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Johnnythespider

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 19, 2016
  • #95
I've seen many MPs who make the right noises and been disappointed by most of them. I'm sticking with Corbyn, he may not win an election but neither will Smith.

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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2016
  • #96
chiefdave said:
Smith is a supporter of PFI, privatising the NHS and privatising schools. He abstained from the vote rather than vote against Conservative benefit cuts. Also a big supporter of the arms industry.

He wants to block article 50 being invoked and hold a second referendum.

Wouldn't be at all out of place on sitting on the benches on the other side of parliament.

My favourite though is when he worked for the BBC and was asked to get a comment from the police on a breaking story. He phoned 999 :facepalm:
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What I don't understand is if you support all of the policies mentioned above why not just join the tory party? Blocking article 50 is about the only issue where he deviates from the tories.
 

Wyken Sky Blue

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  • Jul 20, 2016
  • #97
eggwold1970 said:
prick is that all you got.i work at jag Solihull not Oxford,never needed university cause I got educated at Highfield rd

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Lol what a wanker.

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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2016
  • #98
clint van damme said:
What I don't understand is if you support all of the policies mentioned above why not just join the tory party? Blocking article 50 is about the only issue where he deviates from the tories.
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Probably claims to be part of the Labour Party so he can at least try to get to sleep at night.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2016
  • #99
Nick said:
What I don't understand is.

The other day when they were filming Corbyn, he came out of his house and got into one of these:



What is all that about?
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What's wrong with that? Are people in Britain that stupid? (don't answer)
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 20, 2016
  • #100
fernandopartridge said:
What's wrong with that? Are people in Britain that stupid? (don't answer)
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I just didn't understand why a leader of a political party gets chauffeured about in one of those?

I am not saying it should be a Rolls Royce or something, was just a bit random / surprising.
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2016
  • #101
Owen Smith has been making the right noises but that's about all it is 'noises'. His voting record is appalling, as said above supports privatising the NHS and is all for austerity, one said that he's "more blairite than Blair". How this man has been able to present himself as being of the left is beyond me. Most members are aware of his stances so I don't think he's a serious contender to Corbyn, I'd be massively surprised if JC didn't win the vote now
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2016
  • #102
183000 have signed up in the last 2 days, paying their £25 fee to be able to vote.

Whatever happens the Labour Party just made best part of £5m
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2016
  • #103
Ian1779 said:
183000 have signed up in the last 2 days, paying their £25 fee to be able to vote.

Whatever happens the Labour Party just made best part of £5m
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That's insane, nearly double last year
 

ccfctommy

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2016
  • #104
Nick said:
What I don't understand is.

The other day when they were filming Corbyn, he came out of his house and got into one of these:



What is all that about?
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I thought Corbyn didn't drive?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 20, 2016
  • #105
ccfctommy said:
I thought Corbyn didn't drive?
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no he was being driven
 
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