lazy comparison but i assume you're referring to the 3 landslide elections. Wake me up when Corbyn even comes close to an election win.Labour died the day it tried to be like the Tories..
lazy comparison but i assume you're referring to the 3 landslide elections. Wake me up when Corbyn even comes close to an election win.
Labour died the day it tried to be like the Tories..
While it is obviously not on to bully anyone it strikes me as a touch odd that Joanna Baxter, who you describe as in a deeply traumatised state, has spent the entire day doing media rounds.A woman from the committee was interviewed in a deeply traumatised state and shaking with fear. She told of bullying intimidation and threats from Corbyn supporters to force a decision there way and how Corbyn became very adamant a secret ballot would not be acceptable to him. We are now at a stage where the hard left show their true colours. Bullying, threats of violence to get their way. McDonnell was abusing the "plotters" - how anyone can plot against a man whose voted against his own party 500 times - well.
While it is obviously not on to bully anyone it strikes me as a touch odd that Joanna Baxter, who you describe as in a deeply traumatised state, has spent the entire day doing media rounds.
Of course its easy to present a one sided picture if you conveniently ignore all the pulling and threats going in the other direction.
Why should it be a secret ballot, it hasn't been before. The NEC is elected to represent the members, those members have a right to know how their elected representatives have voted, exactly the same as happens in parliament.
Interesting to note that the vote on changing the voting rules wasn't even on the agenda and was left until after Corbyn and several NEC members thought to support Corbyn had left the meeting believing the full agenda had been completed.
Because there is no way Labour can win! Everyone knows it. With Corbyn in charge Labour will be wiped out and the MPs can't risk that. They have a duty to their constituents and having Corbyn in control goes against the best interests of the people.He hasn't had the chance though, why can't the PLP get behind him for a single election. If they loose then they can legitimately say his politics don't work and another candidate of his ilk won't be elected leader again. By attempting to oust him like this they are making themselves look poor and their party look a shambles. 1 general election for a leader elected with an enormous mandate isn't too much to ask is it?
Think Labour need a new charismatic leader.
A Tony Blair with all the bad bits cut out.
Kevin Bacon?The hollow man.
Nothing that substantial .Kevin Bacon?
Out of interest which time did you vote for them? I agree that they should break away and form there own party. The fact Corbyn has received such support from the membership, suggests that there are a lot of people who feel let down by Blair's new labour and are crying out for someone to stand up for them. Could Labour win with a more "Presentable" leader aligned to the centre of British politics, a centre which gets nudged further to the right with every passing year, I don't think it could, it needs it's traditional vote to win, it needs it's Scottish vote to return and the disenfranchised who support Corbyn for that. It's a quandary and no mistake. For the record I like Corbyn, and for someone to complain about bullying and threats after all that he has been subjected to recently beggars belief.I don't think I've ever voted labour (perhaps once) but no one can deny the vital role this organisation has played in workers rights and equality issues.
Tonight, however, I am now convinced that this party is at the brink of oblivion. I witnessed on channel 4 news a most disturbing interview with a member of the Labour NEC - I would urge people to watch this. A woman from the committee was interviewed in a deeply traumatised state and shaking with fear. She told of bullying intimidation and threats from Corbyn supporters to force a decision there way and how Corbyn became very adamant a secret ballot would not be acceptable to him. We are now at a stage where the hard left show their true colours. Bullying, threats of violence to get their way. McDonnell was abusing the "plotters" - how anyone can plot against a man whose voted against his own party 500 times - well.
Corbyn will win the election. The Zionist anarchist thugs who support his Stalinist vision are in the party and will ensure that.
The vast majority of labour MP's who oppose this dangerous man have to act. They must all resign and form a labour independent party - this will be the official opposition. Corbyn must be silenced and his commander in chief - the Terrorist hugger McDonnell (i am convinced he's a megalomaniac) must be sidelined for good.
Either way a fine and traditional institution is dying
Kevin Bacon?
Yes I did. Also saw her give the same interview several times today.Did you see the interview?
Oddly the death threats made against Corbyn this week don't seem to have had as much media coverage.Corbyn said:I am calling on all Labour Party members and supporters to act with calm and treat each other with respect and dignity, even where there is disagreement. I utterly condemn any violence or threats, which undermine the democracy within our party and have no place in our politics.
They seem to be doing their best to ignore their constituents. This was only a week ago from Eagle's CLPThey have a duty to their constituents
There's been similar at other CLPs. Should the PLP not reflect the wishes of the CLPs and the membership in general?Last night at our branch meeting Wallasey BRANCH Labour Party passed, with an overwhelming majority, a motion of support for Jeremy Corbyn as Leader of the Labour Party . As such we wish to send our message of support to our Leader Jeremy Corbyn at this time as we work together on the larger issues effecting our society.
I find the 'unelectable' tag a bit strange. It seems to have come from the Tory supporting media and is now being thrown about in a similar way to Fisher saying 3 weeks. Say it often enough and hopefully everyone will believe it.The fact Corbyn has received such support from the membership, suggests that there are a lot of people who feel let down by Blair's new labour and are crying out for someone to stand up for them.
That is the question that doesn't seem to get asked. While people say Labour won't win with Corbyn would they win with anyone else. With the political landscape in Scotland as it us its virtually impossible for Labour to win a clear majority. It would take an unprecedented swing in England. However since Corbyn has become leader other parties, including the SNP, have appeared more open to working with Labour. That could be their only way forward.it needs it's traditional vote to win, it needs it's Scottish vote to return and the disenfranchised who support Corbyn for that
And they want Angela Bloody Eagle.Think Labour need a new charismatic leader.
A Tony Blair with all the bad bits cut out.
Errrrrr...he HAS already been elected by his own party memberslazy comparison but i assume you're referring to the 3 landslide elections. Wake me up when Corbyn even comes close to an election win.
Dave 'The Cardboard Box' it is thenThink Labour need a new charismatic leader.
A Tony Blair with all the bad bits cut out.
It cost £3 to join the Labour party and get a vote. It is well known that a very large amount of Tory supporters joined to vote him in. He is seen as unelectable. He only got into the selection because they wanted one more to vote for. He didn't have enough supporters.Errrrrr...he HAS already been elected by his own party members
...onwards & upwards PUSB
It is well known that a very large amount of Tory supporters joined to vote him in.
That doesn't mean that the 84% are all secretly Tories either.
The impression I get is that a lot of those £3 members are actually young people that previously have had no interest in politics nor are likely to have ever voted. However he's done it he seems to have engaged younger people - perhaps because they see very little opportunity in their lives going forward, and he suggests there may be a better way. Whether he can deliver on that may be another matter.
I didn't say all 84%. Are you just trying to cover up for the person who said it certainly didn't happen?That doesn't mean that the 84% are all secretly Tories either.
The impression I get is that a lot of those £3 members are actually young people that previously have had no interest in politics nor are likely to have ever voted. However he's done it he seems to have engaged younger people - perhaps because they see very little opportunity in their lives going forward, and he suggests there may be a better way. Whether he can deliver on that may be another matter.
I didn't say all 84%. Are you just trying to cover up for the person who said it certainly didn't happen?
Are you saying that it doesn't look suspicious that less than 50% already registered with the Labour party voted for Corbyn but 84% that paid £3 to vote put their vote for Corbyn? And why is it that they have changed the way that they do it now?
There were people saying about paying just £3 to choose the next Labour leader and they were not Labour supporters.Let's be honest - the reason they have changed the policy is because there has been a groundswell of membership increase in the last 2/3 weeks (100000+ new members IIRC) It would appear that a significant number of those are in support of Corbyn. If they are allowed to vote Eagle's chance of winning goes from slim to fuck all.
Is it really suspicious? Unconventional and not really seen before I agree. At some point people are going to have to consider the possibility that Corbyn actually has managed to engage these new members with his ideas. I don't understand why so many commentators can't take a step back and see this.
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