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Chipfat · Dec 6, 2014

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I would say 'this is not a franchise move' is a barefaced lie but suspect we'll go round in circles on this one.

It doesn't matter what he says or TF says ,,, Eastwood can says what he wants and we can say he is a liar a spin doctor or is the worst man on the planet,,, but it will not take away from the fact he holds the keys.. Spin with actions is no better than spin without as words, but if you back it up with the main goal,, then you can spin all you want about the rest it matters none.. Keys and all that go with it are under his control,, dont be mad with what he says be mad with our owners who have and did miss a trick in doing business in the correct manner that suited all parties involved...

italiahorse · Dec 6, 2014

Grendel said:
So when Eastwood said the club would stay in or around London it was true?

When he said moving to Coventry makes it nearer for most wasps fans to get to games its true?

You actually believe that?

Things change and sometimes you have to change your plan.
You have a habit of picking up on someones comments from the past and using it out of context today.
When you come to a flooded road do you manage to work out that you don't have to through it ?

italiahorse · Dec 6, 2014

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Wasps bought 100% of ACL, ACL in turn have 80% of IEC which is where the revenues in question actually go. Wasps have not paid for this shareholding and the revenue rights that come with it just to sell some of it away again.

They have a loan to pay off and I suspect a rental agreement with CCC.

wingy · Dec 6, 2014

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Good question. My feeling is that Wasps would attract more sponsorship than we would and that us being there along with them would not add much to attract a sponsor.

It will definitely be enough to pay the mortgage ,possibly 10 times what we could generate In our current guise ,at a guess the same as current

£1M per an .

I can't get past my opinion that Fisher has destroyed our " BRAND".

Moving forward and recognised by the report CCC produced It was recognised before the Stadium was built that a demise of our club would

threaten the whole entity ,rightly or wrongly that Is what drove CCC In It's final unpalatable analysis to sell to Wasps .

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 6, 2014

italiahorse said:
They have a loan to pay off and I suspect a rental agreement with CCC.

Even more reason why they wouldn't want to share the revenues...

italiahorse · Dec 6, 2014

Grendel said:
The irony is hilarious. You are just wumming as you've got fuck all else to do. You really are a sad little man.

I'm making a point against Sisu and their method of doing things.

italiahorse · Dec 6, 2014

CCFC said:
So you're choosing to ignore the fact that other clubs generated more revenue than us despite having lower attendances?

Show me rather than quote something from thin air.

skybluetony176 · Dec 6, 2014

italiahorse said:
I'm making a point against Sisu and their method of doing things.

"Method" and "SISU" in the same sentance and without the words "lack off" ? You really are a wum

italiahorse · Dec 6, 2014

M&B Stand said:
An anonymous forum poster accusing someone of being a keyboard warrior.

Oh the irony!

A keyboard warrior is someone who makes threats or insults against someone on line from the safety of their anonymous keyboard.
Something I don't do

letsallsingtogether · Dec 6, 2014

lordsummerisle said:
Been okay so far, managed to get through it without one mention of "three weeks".

That could change though.

Why what's happening in three weeks?

stupot07 · Dec 6, 2014

italiahorse said:
Show me rather than quote something from thin air.

Our turnover was 10.5m (15,118 average), only doncaster (£8.3m, 9.3k), barnsley ( £8.6m, 10.3k) and peterborough (£10.1m, 9.1k) had lower turnovers.

Blackpool - £29.1m (inc parachute payments/£13.6m without parachute payments ) - 12.7k fans
Bristol City - £11.9m - 13.8k fans
Burnley - £23m (inc parachute payments/ £12.4m without) - 14k
Millwall - £11.5m - 11.4k fans
Watford - £11.2m - 12.7k
Portsmouth - no details

Honourable mention to Crystal palace - 100 more fans - turnover £15m

So on the below graph we would be between peterborough and Watford.

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Ashdown · Dec 6, 2014

wingy said:
It will definitely be enough to pay the mortgage ,possibly 10 times what we could generate In our current guise ,at a guess the same as current

£1M per an .

I can't get past my opinion that Fisher has destroyed our " BRAND".

Moving forward and recognised by the report CCC produced It was recognised before the Stadium was built that a demise of our club would

threaten the whole entity ,rightly or wrongly that Is what drove CCC In It's final unpalatable analysis to sell to Wasps .

Yes he has, no mistake, SISU have ruined the club for what it was. They have disenfranchised people like me who couldn't have imagined this scenario. When me and my wife got together 23 years ago there was only one major insistence that I had that would not change and that was my freedom to follow City wherever they played. They have turned CCFC into a backward joke club with no future and no hope while the bastards pick over the bones and see how they can recover some credibility for themselves. All the time they continue to lie and cajole people into believing that they are doing anything else but cutting costs.

martcov · Dec 6, 2014

Ashdown said:
Yes he has, no mistake, SISU have ruined the club for what it was. They have disenfranchised people like me who couldn't have imagined this scenario. When me and my wife got together 23 years ago there was only one major insistence that I had that would not change and that was my freedom to follow City wherever they played. They have turned CCFC into a backward joke club with no future and no hope while the bastards pick over the bones and see how they can recover some credibility for themselves. All the time they continue to lie and cajole people into believing that they are doing anything else but cutting costs.

I agree with your Sentiments 100%. There is no hope. Would never have dreamt werden would end up like this. It's just games. The latest game being Strange and Ward. A joke.

letsallsingtogether · Dec 6, 2014

Ashdown said:
Yes he has, no mistake, SISU have ruined the club for what it was. They have disenfranchised people like me who couldn't have imagined this scenario. When me and my wife got together 23 years ago there was only one major insistence that I had that would not change and that was my freedom to follow City wherever they played. They have turned CCFC into a backward joke club with no future and no hope while the bastards pick over the bones and see how they can recover some credibility for themselves. All the time they continue to lie and cajole people into believing that they are doing anything else but cutting costs.

Hole in one.
I have been offered a free lift to Bristol never would have thought twice about it before but hey might just stay home and listen on the Radio

Hate to admit it but they are slowly draining the enthusiasm out of me and other fans

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Dec 6, 2014

stupot07 said:
Our turnover was 10.5m (15,118 average), only doncaster (£8.3m, 9.3k), barnsley ( £8.6m, 10.3k) and peterborough (£10.1m, 9.1k) had lower turnovers.

Blackpool - £29.1m (inc parachute payments/£13.6m without parachute payments ) - 12.7k fans
Bristol City - £11.9m - 13.8k fans
Burnley - £23m (inc parachute payments/ £12.4m without) - 14k
Millwall - £11.5m - 11.4k fans
Watford - £11.2m - 12.7k
Portsmouth - no details

Honourable mention to Crystal palace - 100 more fans - turnover £15m

So on the below graph we would be between peterborough and Watford.

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Nice, any idea what the pink bit on Reading is from? Only club to have that colour and which bit are transfer income included in?

stupot07 · Dec 6, 2014

CCFC said:
Nice, any idea what the pink bit on Reading is from? Only club to have that colour and which bit are transfer income included in?

The pink bit is the hotel they have that brings in c£5m per annum......

Profit on transfers isn't included on the graph or as part of the turnover.

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SkyBlue_Bear83 · Dec 6, 2014

stupot07 said:
The pink bit is the hotel they have that brings in c£5m per annum......

Profit on transfers isn't included on the graph or as part of the turnover.

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Really puts it into perspective, the Ricoh isn't sustainable on a rental agreement.

Grendel · Dec 6, 2014

italiahorse said:
Things change and sometimes you have to change your plan.
You have a habit of picking up on someones comments from the past and using it out of context today.
When you come to a flooded road do you manage to work out that you don't have to through it ?

Actually I would go through it as my car would get me to the other side

letsallsingtogether · Dec 6, 2014

Grendel said:
Actually I would go through it as my car would get me to the other side

Not if it was 10 foot deep.

skybluetony176 · Dec 6, 2014

letsallsingtogether said:
Not if it was 10 foot deep.

Unless he has an amphicar

letsallsingtogether · Dec 6, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
What is wrong is to behave like a moron and decide that everybody else is whiter than white.

What is wrong is to behave like a moron by pretending to complain about people deflecting while... deflecting oneself.

Fuckin hell NW you can talk :facepalm:

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 6, 2014

letsallsingtogether said:
Fuckin hell NW you can talk :facepalm:

That I can.

Problem is, those who go headlong into a percentage game of 100% are often as not the eejits who'd being in failures of the past, random property developers, and generic mentalists.

All the while shouting SISU OUT before crying about the next set of failures, and wondering why us.

skybluetony176 · Dec 6, 2014

Mmmmm. Deflecting the talk back onto the matter of CCFC and its owners from the constant drivle about a Rugby club on a CCFC forum and I'm the moron.

I'm not pretending to complain about people deflecting. I'm utterly pissed of with every thread turning into a bitch about Wasps when the beast within is many more times dangerous to the future of my club.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Dec 6, 2014

stupot07 said:
The pink bit is the hotel they have that brings in c£5m per annum......

Profit on transfers isn't included on the graph or as part of the turnover.

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Do you know what the turnover of ACL has been in the last few years (minus any rent payed by CCFC)

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 6, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
Mmmmm. Deflecting the talk back onto the matter of CCFC and its owners from the constant drivle about a Rugby club on a CCFC forum and I'm the moron.

I'm not pretending to complain about people deflecting. I'm utterly pissed of with every thread turning into a bitch about Wasps when the beast within is many more times dangerous to the future of my club.

Have a go at the OP then for starting a thread about Wasps' actions and his ticket buying habits ref: Wasps.

skybluetony176 · Dec 6, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
Have a go at the OP then for starting a thread about Wasps' actions and his ticket buying habits ref: Wasps.

Its pretty much every thread at the moment and you know it.

spider_ricoh · Dec 6, 2014

Nice to see it's been a productive day on here - with no game the bitching at each other has continued anyway!

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 6, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
Its pretty much every thread at the moment and you know it.

You're on this thread complaining about it, yet for some reason seem loth to have a go at the OP for starting a Wasps themed thread... yet seem happy to have a go at those who then point out Wasps are not the second coming... on a Wasps themed thread.

If not on a Wasps themed thread, then where else do you expect them to point that out?

Of course it's exactly what the OP wanted.

italiahorse · Dec 6, 2014

stupot07 said:
Our turnover was 10.5m (15,118 average), only doncaster (£8.3m, 9.3k), barnsley ( £8.6m, 10.3k) and peterborough (£10.1m, 9.1k) had lower turnovers.

Blackpool - £29.1m (inc parachute payments/£13.6m without parachute payments ) - 12.7k fans
Bristol City - £11.9m - 13.8k fans
Burnley - £23m (inc parachute payments/ £12.4m without) - 14k
Millwall - £11.5m - 11.4k fans
Watford - £11.2m - 12.7k
Portsmouth - no details

Honourable mention to Crystal palace - 100 more fans - turnover £15m

So on the below graph we would be between peterborough and Watford.

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This is a great insight. Thanks.
I would need to understand the breakdown of the dark blue because we should be able to get that up above £5M from Ricoh and other incomes.
Match day car parking, F&b, Advertising, hospitality etc needs to be talked about with Wasps. Tell us Sisu if they are not available then we have something to get angry about.
If we could get a winning streak going that took us out this league and continued into the Championship with crowds over 20,000 it can be done.
Leicester needs to be the model because I can't see what other incomes come from there stadium.

skybluetony176 · Dec 6, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
You're on this thread complaining about it, yet for some reason seem loth to have a go at the OP for starting a Wasps themed thread... yet seem happy to have a go at those who then point out Wasps are not the second coming... on a Wasps themed thread.

If not on a Wasps themed thread, then where else do you expect them to point that out?

Of course it's exactly what the OP wanted.

This thread is about what it says in the title. Why would I complain about it being what its about. It wouldn't have effected some peoples posts anyway. Some find it imossible to form an answer on anything without giving them a shout out. Look at the thread about the location of the new stadium that was and wasn't revealed. No need to mention Wasps on there but some dont seem to be able to help themselves.

I've been pulled into the arguments a few times myself but no longer. Anyone who I catch changing a subject onto Wasps I'm going to point it out.

Grendel · Dec 6, 2014

italiahorse said:
This is a great insight. Thanks.
I would need to understand the breakdown of the dark blue because we should be able to get that up above £5M from Ricoh and other incomes.
Match day car parking, F&b, Advertising, hospitality etc needs to be talked about with Wasps. Tell us Sisu if they are not available then we have something to get angry about.
If we could get a winning streak going that took us out this league and continued into the Championship with crowds over 20,000 it can be done.
Leicester needs to be the model because I can't see what other incomes come from there stadium.

Wasps would laugh and tell us to fuck off -- as we can't. Are you really this stupid?

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 6, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
Why would I complain about it being what its about.

Because you appear to be complaining about people suggesting the sun does not shine out of Wasps' arse... on a thread that begins about Wasps.

Therefore, following your logic here, why would you complain about that?

Why?

Like a woman, you'll want the last word, so I'll let you have it.

stupot07 · Dec 6, 2014

italiahorse said:
This is a great insight. Thanks.
I would need to understand the breakdown of the dark blue because we should be able to get that up above £5M from Ricoh and other incomes.
Match day car parking, F&b, Advertising, hospitality etc needs to be talked about with Wasps. Tell us Sisu if they are not available then we have something to get angry about.
If we could get a winning streak going that took us out this league and continued into the Championship with crowds over 20,000 it can be done.
Leicester needs to be the model because I can't see what other incomes come from there stadium.

Leicester made £29m losses that year......perhaps that isn't the model we should adopt.

If we can make £5m from the Ricoh, why would wasps give it/sell it to us? And given they paid £6.5m for the lease and 200+ year extension. How likely are they to sell it to us for a fair price that's significantly less what they paid for the whole of ACL?

And how do you fund a quality squad that can go on a decent run to attract 20k fans before they actually go on that run? We know that 90% of league position is based on wage bill.

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Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 6, 2014

italiahorse said:
This is a great insight. Thanks.
I would need to understand the breakdown of the dark blue because we should be able to get that up above £5M from Ricoh and other incomes.
Match day car parking, F&b, Advertising, hospitality etc needs to be talked about with Wasps. Tell us Sisu if they are not available then we have something to get angry about.
If we could get a winning streak going that took us out this league and continued into the Championship with crowds over 20,000 it can be done.
Leicester needs to be the model because I can't see what other incomes come from there stadium.

Leicester have filthy rich Thais to cover any loss.

italiahorse · Dec 6, 2014

Grendel said:
Wasps would laugh and tell us to fuck off -- as we can't. Are you really this stupid?

We already get some evidently. We shouldn't expect it all if thats what you implying.
Don't know why I'm answering you because nothing constructive comes out of it.
I'll try though. What do you suggest we do now ? .......... Or is it over ?

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