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Ricoh loan paid in full (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date May 13, 2015
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 13, 2015
  • #1
https://www.facebook.com/coventrytelegraph/posts/915792711811217
 

deanocity3

New Member
  • May 13, 2015
  • #2
which means cov council miss out on £10m interest payments
 
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RFC

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  • May 13, 2015
  • #3
Sky Blue Pete said:
https://www.facebook.com/coventrytelegraph/posts/915792711811217
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Interesting, very interesting!

Why take out the loan in the first place ( less than 9 months ago )?

Suddenly announcing it's paid-off in full including interest, very strange, no gain from early settlement.

Would you do that if you'd got 20 years to pay it? Always assuming everything's above board!!!!!!!!!!
 

deanocity3

New Member
  • May 13, 2015
  • #4
wasps have sold £35m in bonds which has enabled them to clear loan
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • May 13, 2015
  • #5
RFC said:
Interesting, very interesting!

Why take out the loan in the first place ( less than 9 months ago )?

Suddenly announcing it's paid-off in full including interest, very strange, no gain from early settlement.

Would you do that if you'd got 20 years to pay it? Always assuming everything's above board!!!!!!!!!!
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If only we had done the same.
Clueless greedy owners !!!!
No interest in the football team just using it to grab real estate.
 

hutch1972

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  • May 13, 2015
  • #6
Sky Blue Pete said:
https://www.facebook.com/coventrytelegraph/posts/915792711811217
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Without wanting to sound like a scratched record , the loan has been repaid by means of another loan, and a more expensive one at that.
As someone rightly said on another thread had sisu been the ones to remortgage acl to the tune of 35 mill there would have been hell to pay.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • May 13, 2015
  • #7
hutch1972 said:
Without wanting to sound like a scratched record , the loan has been repaid by means of another loan, and a more expensive one at that.
As someone rightly said on another thread had sisu been the ones to remortgage acl to the tune of 35 mill there would have been hell to pay.
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It's not mortgaged it's based solely on a business case, future profits and investors/fans getting a good interest rate.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 13, 2015
  • #8
deanocity3 said:
which means cov council miss out on £10m interest payments
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£10M are you sure? Wasn't the loan for £14M?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 13, 2015
  • #9
italiahorse said:
If only we had done the same.
Clueless greedy owners !!!!
No interest in the football team just using it to grab real estate.
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Same as wasps you mean but they got it at half the price you thought was acceptable?
 

Grendel

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  • May 13, 2015
  • #10
skybluetony176 said:
£10M are you sure? Wasn't the loan for £14M?
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Yes and the interest?
 

italiahorse

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  • May 13, 2015
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Grendel said:
Same as wasps you mean but they got it at half the price you thought was acceptable?
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They got it at the market value for distressed empty stadium.
 

Grendel

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  • May 13, 2015
  • #12
italiahorse said:
They got it at the market value for distressed empty stadium.
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So what you are saying is we should have paid more than them as we added the value?

Was that your view in 2013 when you actively supported the rent strike and actively supported Sisu?

(Quotes at the ready)
 
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Intheknow

New Member
  • May 13, 2015
  • #13
RFC said:
Interesting, very interesting!

Why take out the loan in the first place ( less than 9 months ago )?

Suddenly announcing it's paid-off in full including interest, very strange, no gain from early settlement.

Would you do that if you'd got 20 years to pay it? Always assuming everything's above board!!!!!!!!!!
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my understanding is that the loan was not taken out 9 months ago but was inherited on the purchase of ACL?
 
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italiahorse

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  • May 13, 2015
  • #14
Grendel said:
So what you are saying is we should have paid more than them as we added the value?

Was that your view in 2013 when you actively supported the rent strike and actively supported Sisu?

(Quotes at the ready)
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You keep trying. Jog on .....
 
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kmj5000

Member
  • May 13, 2015
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deanocity3 said:
which means cov council miss out on £10m interest payments
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Les, Les, those Waps bastards again!
 

Grendel

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  • May 13, 2015
  • #16
italiahorse said:
You keep trying. Jog on .....
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Jog on with what?

Fact is wasps have bought you.

You've parted your legs and are now part of their PR machine.
 

italiahorse

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  • May 13, 2015
  • #17
Grendel said:
Jog on with what?

Fact is wasps have bought you.

You've parted your legs and are now part of their PR machine.
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Keep jogging ..........
 

Grendel

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  • May 13, 2015
  • #18
italiahorse said:
Keep jogging ..........
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So you just do it for the pleasure do you? Not the signicant financial gain?
 

kg82

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  • May 13, 2015
  • #19
italiahorse said:
Keep jogging ..........
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Debate won
 

James Smith

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  • May 13, 2015
  • #20
RFC said:
Interesting, very interesting!

Why take out the loan in the first place ( less than 9 months ago )?

Suddenly announcing it's paid-off in full including interest, very strange, no gain from early settlement.

Would you do that if you'd got 20 years to pay it? Always assuming everything's above board!!!!!!!!!!
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So how did we have a JR more than 9 months ago into the loan from the two faced council to ACL? You need a new calendar or diary?
 

hutch1972

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  • May 13, 2015
  • #21
italiahorse said:
It's not mortgaged it's based solely on a business case, future profits and investors/fans getting a good interest rate.
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Mortgaged or secured , it makes no difference to me. Fact is its another loan which will need to be repaid.
Only time will tell but from destitute to one of the richest rugby clubs in the world in the blink of an eye. Russian roulette springs to mind.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 14, 2015
  • #22
It's interesting that Italia is unable to answer any questions about making money from Wasps being at the Ricoh
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 14, 2015
  • #23
I.don't get how it makes them wealthy because they took out loans?
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • May 14, 2015
  • #24
Its going to depend on what value for the long lease they put in the financials. Very basic (and not accurate obviously)....... The Wasps group last accounts had a negative £10m balance sheet. They have now added in ACL which was 6m positive. Put the lease valuation of £48.5m (uplift from 23m) in and offset that against the increase in loans (35m less loans paid off £24m) take out the losses since 2014 accounts and other consolidation adjustments and you have a positive balance sheet of over £15m I would guess. That's a £25m shift.

The lease value we might raise eyebrows at and think how? but it has been given publically in a legal stock exchange document by specialised professional valuation experts who would have an eye on the risk of overstatement

Its moving figures around within a new group structure - or tidying up the balance sheet as some put it
 
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wingy

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  • May 14, 2015
  • #25
oldskyblue58 said:
Its going to depend on what value for the long lease they put in the financials. Very basic (and not accurate obviously)....... The Wasps group last accounts had a negative £10m balance sheet. They have now added in ACL which was 6m positive. Put the lease valuation of £48.5m (uplift from 23m) in and offset that against the increase in loans (35m less loans paid off £24m) take out the losses since 2014 accounts and other consolidation adjustments and you have a positive balance sheet of over £15m I would guess. That's a £25m shift.

The lease value we might raise eyebrows at and think how? but it has been given publically in a legal stock exchange document by specialised professional valuation experts who would have an eye on the risk of overstatement

Its moving figures around within a new group structure - or tidying up the balance sheet as some put it
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Ah the books were a mess
 
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Ashdown

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  • May 14, 2015
  • #26
I'd be interested to see how Cov Rugbys annual accounts stack up this time around. Different gravy I know, but they actually made a small genuine profit last time around and they have had significantly increased revenue since then ?!
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • May 14, 2015
  • #27
Can anyone tell me if there was an early redemption penalty?

...Or was liar lucas & her 2 faced team of cunts more concerned with fucking SISU (and consequently CCFC & CRFC) up the arse to worry about actually protecting the peoples money??
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #28
Yes, I think it was all about getting one over on SISU. Same attitude as the majority of here.

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Can anyone tell me if there was an early redemption penalty?

...Or was liar lucas & her 2 faced team of cunts more concerned with fucking SISU (and consequently CCFC & CRFC) up the arse to worry about actually protecting the peoples money??
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Grendel

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  • May 14, 2015
  • #29
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Can anyone tell me if there was an early redemption penalty?

...Or was liar lucas & her 2 faced team of cunts more concerned with fucking SISU (and consequently CCFC & CRFC) up the arse to worry about actually protecting the peoples money??
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No redemption clause - just the council that can't stop giving - as long as you are a franchise from London that is.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #30
Slightly of track but when do we expect the Wasps Telegraph to start sponsoring a stand at their beloved Wasps Arena?
 

mattylad

Member
  • May 14, 2015
  • #31
Doubt they will be able to afford to its all going to be big business's that put their sponsorship money forward and trinity mirror regional publications are on their arse.
 
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Ashdown

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  • May 14, 2015
  • #32
torchomatic said:
Yes, I think it was all about getting one over on SISU. Same attitude as the majority of here.
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That's a pretty poor thing to say, yes the council decision was probably partly based on spite but most posters views on here were provoked by the actions of SISU, it's not like they have been angels and the nasty Coventry fans all took against them is it ? You reap what you sow and all that !!
 

Covstu

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  • May 14, 2015
  • #33
Ashdown said:
That's a pretty poor thing to say, yes the council decision was probably partly based on spite but most posters views on here were provoked by the actions of SISU, it's not like they have been angels and the nasty Coventry fans all took against them is it ? You reap what you sow and all that !!
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most of the posters on here do not hold the future of a football in their hand though
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 15, 2015
  • #34
Sick Boy said:
It's interesting that Italia is unable to answer any questions about making money from Wasps being at the Ricoh
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Is it? It's boring that you and Grendull think you have something on him that's going to make you look heroes when you say "I told you so" I'm sure you'll get some likes from the usual sycophants but you'll both still be boring.


So why don't one of you pair stop trying to be LR and just spit it out? Or is the illusion of a smoking gun more important in your little roll play than what you actually have to say? Assuming you actually have something to say?
 
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Ashdown

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  • May 15, 2015
  • #35
What does Italia sell anyway apart from Horses ? Pizza or Ice Cream ?
 
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