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Ricoh Arena to sue Northampton Town FC (1 Viewer)

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mattylad

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  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #71
I also expect any legal action to be at the full contract value of 1.2m per year at least. I doubt NTFC could afford to risk fighting this as losing would see them bankrupted.
 

BrisbaneBronco

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #72
italiahorse said:
They have allowed a club to move to another stadium when the club has a long term contract at their current stadium.
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Correct and that contract cannot be broken unless CCFC Limited is liquidated or unless ACL agree to it being broken. At the time of the ground share deal Limited were and still are in admin.
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #73
Is all this pissing anyone else off?

I had a look at season tickets for the Rugby yesterday, egg chasing for f*ck sake.
 

mattylad

Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #74
hill83 said:
Is all this pissing anyone else off?

I had a look at season tickets for the Rugby yesterday, egg chasing for f*ck sake.
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Least you can have a pint while watching the game lol
 
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DazzleTommyDazzle

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #75
tisza said:
Surely this will have an impact on whether ACL now accept the CVA?
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Reckon so.

If I understand it correctly, acceptance of the CVA would involve the acceptance of a small sum for the termination of the lease.

If they were going to accept termination of the lease, I'd assume that they wouldn't be taking this action against Northampton.

So, if all of that is true, I'd say that it looks like the CVA is going to be rejected.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #76
Jeez, that is desperate.

I'd rather go naked to the Pride Festival than go to watch rugby. It's rubbish.

hill83 said:
Is all this pissing anyone else off?

I had a look at season tickets for the Rugby yesterday, egg chasing for f*ck sake.
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James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #77
mattylad said:
I also expect any legal action to be at the full contract value of 1.2m per year at least. I doubt NTFC could afford to risk fighting this as losing would see them bankrupted.
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I would never want to see another club bankrupted because of us or our owners.
 
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Gary.j

New Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #78
SonOfSnoz said:
Seems like ending CCFC is the only & easiest option!
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Yes, that's how I've felt for quite a while; abandon sisu, start again, free from all of this!
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #79
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/n...tion-threat-from-ricoh-arena-owners-1-5280654
 
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wingy

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  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #80
DazzleTommyDazzle said:
Reckon so.

If I understand it correctly, acceptance of the CVA would involve the acceptance of a small sum for the termination of the lease.

If they were going to accept termination of the lease, I'd assume that they wouldn't be taking this action against Northampton.

So, if all of that is true, I'd say that it looks like the CVA is going to be rejected.
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concur ,its a marker.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #81
I also see that BCFC Trust want to ballot their members on boycotting the game at Sixfields.
 
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Gary.j

New Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #82
dongonzalos said:
The strange thing is now.

If SISU do get back in at the Ricoh they will potentially be around longer holding out for an over valuation of the club.

If they go through with thd hair brained scheme they will be gone sooner....
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I coudn't agree more!
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #83
James Smith said:
No I didn't say (and haven't ever said) that at all, what I said was they have to protect their business in the interests of the shareholders who are the owners of the business. If you poach a client of a firm who has a legal contract with them then the directors of that firm would be failing in their duty to the shareholders if they didn't take steps to recover the cost of the contract. They would leave themselves open to legal action if they didn't.
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Really? Wow so what you are saying is that even though the removal of the club would actually yield better dividends and profits as the gold mine is released the shareholder have to sue ACL? I didn't know that.

Are the shareholders thousands of different investors? Are the dividends likely to go down? What have the dividends been like up to now?
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #84
hill83 said:
Is all this pissing anyone else off?

I had a look at season tickets for the Rugby yesterday, egg chasing for f*ck sake.
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I get what you mean Hill, I have a lot of good mates who want me to go to Exeter City games next season, but I couldn't do it, although seeing this whole sorry saga makes me feel like shit.
 
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wingy

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  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #85
torchomatic said:
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/n...tion-threat-from-ricoh-arena-owners-1-5280654
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This Is an Interesting little Sentence.


The issue is further clouded by the fact that Coventry City remain in administration, leading to the possibility of a potential change of ownership.
 

wes_cov

New Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #86
No Comment from the Cobblers Boss then not surprising his legal team are probably scratching there head as much as we are
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #87
I see it as a good move by ACL.

NTFC can't afford this to go to court. The odds are they will look at the whole picture and pull out of the agreement. With only 3 weeks to go to the start of the season SISU won't have time to sort out another ground. ...even if another club would risk it. Does anyone find it strange that this comes the day after the Hoff offer?

How can SISU now say that ACL don't want us playing there? The FL will have to change their minds now
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #88
For what it's worth, I think this court action might be on the grounds of "tortious interference".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference

In essence, ACL has a contract with CCFC Ltd to play at the arena. NTFC are aware of that contract but interfere and CCFC Ltd break the contract. ACL then have a claim against NTFC for damages as the result of the breach of contract.
 
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true sky blue

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  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #89
i work in law, got to say - sorry guys but this litigation stands no chance. Northampton have not stolen the Ricohs client. the contract was breached by the admission of the Ricoh hence the administration application they made. theyre not going to convince a judge after that they had no intention of removing sisu from the contract. Sisu had already breached the lease, the owners correct course of action is against sisu, now they can not do that they are desperately seeking compensation from other sources, Northampton have done nothing wrong at all. there is nothing to stop a business running from as many diferent premises as they want. Nothing in the lease would have tied ccfc owners to the ricoh other than monies owed, any business under commercial law can walk away and breach the terms of the lease, open their venture up at another premises, do you think the landlord could sue the new landlord? no they claim against the tenant for breach. this is a non starter it will be struck out
 
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James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #90
Grendel said:
Really? Wow so what you are saying is that even though the removal of the club would actually yield better dividends and profits as the gold mine is released the shareholder have to sue ACL? I didn't know that.

Are the shareholders thousands of different investors? Are the dividends likely to go down? What have the dividends been like up to now?
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No that's not what I'm saying, you're saying that the loss of the lease in Ltd would yield better dividends which as far as I am aware haven't ever been paid to ACL shareholders.

If you have a contract you are expected to honour (and there's a word I don't often use in the same paragraph as SISU) that contract. If someone comes along and poaches the person/company that you have a contract, with you are entitled to be annoyed. You may also have recourse to legal options depending on the conditions of the contract. If the directors of a business don't persue money that is owed to a business especially (but not limited to) if it is a large amount then yes the shareholders can take action against the directors of a business. They are not meeting their fiduciary duty to the business.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiduciary#Duty_in_different_jurisdictions
 

mattylad

Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #91
I feel they will go for the angle that as Cardoza stated CCFC could have paid the lease but chose not to he was complicit to the information of their wrong doing prior to signing a lease with us.
 

I'mARealWizard

New Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #92
true sky blue said:
i work in law, got to say - sorry guys but this litigation stands no chance.
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Sorry. But you talk utter bs.

Your recent postings are evidence that your claims are pie in the sky.
 
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procdoc

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #93
The name Cardoza sounds like he's some sort of leader of a Columbian dugs cartel
 

RegTheDonk

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #94
true sky blue said:
i work in law, got to say - sorry guys but this litigation stands no chance. Northampton have not stolen the Ricohs client. the contract was breached by the admission of the Ricoh hence the administration application they made. theyre not going to convince a judge after that they had no intention of removing sisu from the contract. Sisu had already breached the lease, the owners correct course of action is against sisu, now they can not do that they are desperately seeking compensation from other sources, Northampton have done nothing wrong at all. there is nothing to stop a business running from as many diferent premises as they want. Nothing in the lease would have tied ccfc owners to the ricoh other than monies owed, any business under commercial law can walk away and breach the terms of the lease, open their venture up at another premises, do you think the landlord could sue the new landlord? no they claim against the tenant for breach. this is a non starter it will be struck out
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ACL must think it worth pursuing otherwise they wouldn't threaten.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #95
true sky blue said:
i work in law
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The closest you will ever get to being in law is being a mother in law
 

I'mARealWizard

New Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #96
Astute said:
The closest you will ever get to being in law is being a mother in law
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Hahahaha!
 

Danceswithhorses

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #97
true sky blue said:
i work in law
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My arse do you
Law..n mowers maybe :facepalm:
 

Nonleagueherewecome

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #98
procdoc said:
The name Cardoza sounds like he's some sort of leader of a Columbian dugs cartel
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Or "The Legend of Cardoza's Gold". Possibly an 80's Spectrum computer game. Definitely a platform game I reckon.
 

PaulDyson

Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #99
This is now a total farce - not that it wasn't before.
ACL and CCC don't care about the club one jot.

The pricks (all of em) are killing the club.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #100
More Spaghetti Western for me.

Nonleagueherewecome said:
Or "The Legend of Cardoza's Gold". Possibly an 80's Spectrum computer game. Definitely a platform game I reckon.
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #101
the legal chap speaking on behalf of ACL seemed to imply there was an argument to be had that the lease is tied to the golden share and even if SISU liquidate ltd with the lease in it ACL have a claim that it's still valid.

Cardoza might regret publicly saying SISU could afford ot pay the rent but chose not to. that comment alone will prevent him pleading ignorance of the situation.
 
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true sky blue

Guest
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #102
haha i do though and i can assure you this action which is not litigation at all its pre action notice to Northampton will go nowhere at all. 100%
 
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true sky blue

Guest
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #103
chiefdave said:
the legal chap speaking on behalf of ACL seemed to imply there was an argument to be had that the lease is tied to the golden share and even if SISU liquidate ltd with the lease in it ACL have a claim that it's still valid.

Cardoza might regret publicly saying SISU could afford ot pay the rent but chose not to. that comment alone will prevent him pleading ignorance of the situation.
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if that was right ACL would be co -owners of the club .. which they are not. they are simply commercial property landlords. nothing more
 
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Cobblers36

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  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #104
Club Statement...

www.ntfc.co.uk
 
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North_East_Cobbler

New Member
  • Jul 12, 2013
  • #105
Waloc!

SkyBlue76 said:
Great twist! I'm no lawyer but it surprises me if they have any right to sue (the club they had an agreement with is in administration so I thought the deal was broken) but if this is true, it may be a good tactic to scare NTFC away - and with what the police have said and fans pressure etc, NTFC may just renege on their agreement yet.

Fingers crossed.
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Careful what you wish for. . . . without a ground to play at, what happens next?

NTFC have done nothing wrong in the eyes of the law, and won't stand by and be threatened with legal action that has no basis in reality. The Football League are the ones in the wrong for ratifying this in the first place, but to sue NTFC for offering a place to play is, frankly, ridiculous.

CCFC supporters, you want to stop trying to bully NTFC, their supporters, and chairman, and concentrate on taking it up with the Football League. THEY are the ones who agreed to this shambolic arrangement, THEY are the ones who gave the go ahead to allow Coventry to play outside of Coventry. If NTFC renege on their agreement (which our chairman won't do) then CCFC have no place to play, can't fulfil their fixtures, and should be expelled from the competition. :wave:
 
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