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Deleted member 5849 · Jul 27, 2014

I have to say, it's kind of nice to see the resolution holding of people being nice (ish ) to each other here.

For we may all have different views, but we are all stronger together.

Well done Skybluetalk

Now... reckon facebook will follow?

https://www.facebook.com/KeepCovInCovCampaign

It seems not...

As a new season starts, it appears we're determined to destroy ourselves...

Nick · Jul 27, 2014

Is that where you post if you are angry? Christ I thought Valiant was bad!

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 27, 2014

Nick said:
Is that where you post if you are angry? Christ I thought Valiant was bad!

I see potential for a coup fermenting there...

bigfatronssba · Jul 27, 2014

“Trying to please everybody is impossible - if you did that, you'd end up in the middle with nobody liking you. You've just got to make the decision about what you think is your best, and do it.”

-John Lennon.

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 27, 2014

bigfatronssba said:
“Trying to please everybody is impossible - if you did that, you'd end up in the middle with nobody liking you. You've just got to make the decision about what you think is your best, and do it.”

-John Lennon.

That indeed is true.

The problem is if certain positions are marshalled better than others, they risk pleasing fewer than should be...

shmmeee · Jul 27, 2014

There's a lot of people who don't understand why people are cozying up to Sisu (as they see it - secret meetings, resolving to not protest).

Has always been the problem for the Trust. The vast majority of members don't want that route, but the club would just freeze them out if they represent their members.

Rock and a hard place. Though you could ask what the legitimacy of a representative group that doesn't represent it's members. Of course the argument is people should've voted, but it's fairly clear where the majority lie, even if the board don't agree it's the best course of action. Funny thing about politics that. People don't expect to have to keep involved, they just want to vote/pay their membership and have someone be their proxy.

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 27, 2014

I'd say the majority of themembership actually aren't radical and shouty shouty.

It's just shouty makes more noise...

shmmeee · Jul 27, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
I'd say the majority of themembership actually aren't radical and shouty shouty.

It's just shouty makes more noise...

I'd say that's just wishful thinking. I'm yet to see any evidence of a mass outbreak of reasonableness about this to be honest.

Besides, squeaky wheel and all that.

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 27, 2014

Well, we had a march with an overwhelming message of we want the club back, and that got a few thousand.

The shouty shouty protests get half a dozen.

But... they're loud, they're proud.

So no, not wishful thinking.

hill83 · Jul 27, 2014

I'm rocking 1366 x 768

Grendel · Jul 27, 2014

So if I'm reading this correctly it's some kind of attempt by Kcic to force a resolution against trust policy?

Anyone who cares for CCFC must ensure this is quashed now.

lewys33 · Jul 27, 2014

Grendel said:
So if I'm reading this correctly it's some kind of attempt by Kcic to force a resolution against trust policy?

Anyone who cares for CCFC must ensure this is quashed now.

I am really struggling to see where you have got that from. Only thing I can think is tunnel vision. Blinded by the hatred of KCIC.

lewys33 · Jul 27, 2014

As far as I can see, it is certain folk not understanding how the trust works, and KCIC saying if you want things to be different you have to join and vote. Quite simple. However I obviously can't bend time and read between the lines to see the hidden message that is oh so definitely there.

wingy · Jul 27, 2014

lewys33 said:
As far as I can see, it is certain folk not understanding how the trust works, and KCIC saying if you want things to be different you have to join and vote. Quite simple. However I obviously can't bend time and read between the lines to see the hidden message that is oh so definitely there.

Any chance you can post some up lewis for those of us that don't do social media?

Ian1779 · Jul 27, 2014

lewys33 said:
As far as I can see, it is certain folk not understanding how the trust works, and KCIC saying if you want things to be different you have to join and vote. Quite simple. However I obviously can't bend time and read between the lines to see the hidden message that is oh so definitely there.

Or more to the point - the trust is now being derided as it didn't support some peoples modus operandi

Grendel · Jul 27, 2014

Ian1779 said:
Or more to the point - the trust is now being derided as it didn't support some peoples modus operandi

Well that's the way I read it. It suggests some reference to defeating a resolution of the trust regarding nopm doesn't it?

Noggin · Jul 27, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
Well, we had a march with an overwhelming message of we want the club back, and that got a few thousand.

The shouty shouty protests get half a dozen.

But... they're loud, they're proud.

So no, not wishful thinking.

I don't think it's fair to make that comparison, if the trust march had been sisu out and lets back to the ricoh I'm positive the attendance would have been very nearly as big. imo good organisation and proper promotion (ie significant advertisement by the cet) was the reason for the great turn out, not because it was a less divisive message. After all presumably even amongst those who attend sixfield the majority want sisu out even if they do think acl and the council share some blame. sisu out was sung loud, proud and often during the march.

lewys33 · Jul 27, 2014

wingy said:
Any chance you can post some up lewis for those of us that don't do social media?

I'm on my phone mate, and although I'm 24, being a Father means technology is already beyond me! It is just generally people being a little narrow minded and saying the trust are wrong to not vote in favour of a total boycott of sixfields.

Whilst I can see their point, they need to realise that the trust represent "most" of the fanbase and the main aim is a return to the Ricoh at the moment. Not breaking all ties with our owners.

lewys33 · Jul 27, 2014

Ian1779 said:
Or more to the point - the trust is now being derided as it didn't support some peoples modus operandi

Yes - so KCIC has simply said if you want it to change you should have voted/join and vote. Maybe read some more of the KCIC posts before that one? It doesn't ever suggest once that that is the best solution.

It is quite easy to see that the majority just want a return to the Ricoh, rather than cutting all ties with the owners. If these people had voted they would have still been the minority.

It becomes clear what your thoughts on KCIC are when everything becomes a conspiracy theory.

hill83 · Jul 27, 2014

lewys33 said:
It becomes clear what your thoughts on KCIC are when everything becomes a conspiracy theory.

You say that like you are Columbo cracking a big case. It's no secret some people think KCIC is a load of old shite.

lewys33 · Jul 27, 2014

hill83 said:
You say that like you are Columbo cracking a big case. It's no secret some people think KCIC is a load of old shite.

If I was any good at photoshop, I'd be all over that shit right now!

2bf people are well within their rights to think it is a load of old shite, but trying to pick at conspiracies within a perfectly rational statement is like trying to claim shelling a school is self defence.

Hobo · Jul 27, 2014

hill83 said:
You say that like you are Columbo cracking a big case. It's no secret some people think KCIC is a load of old shite.

Here speaks a man that chipped off to the nearest bar once the speeches came on. Does he actually know what KCIC is about?

letsallsingtogether · Jul 27, 2014

Good job I never shout then.

Deleted member 5849 said:
I'd say the majority of themembership actually aren't radical and shouty shouty.

It's just shouty makes more noise...

Ian1779 · Jul 27, 2014

lewys33 said:
It becomes clear what your thoughts on KCIC are when everything becomes a conspiracy theory.

KCIC is an ineffective approach. It may be a popular one, and I can see why people buy into it... But they've achieved nothing.

I read on further, and looked at some of the other posts, and most of the vitriol is aimed at the SBT. It is like some people expect 'well I payed my quid... Why haven't you got SISU to fuck off yet??'

Some people need to realise that SISU are only going to leave when they choose to. NOPM, KCIC or SBT are not going to force them out. So the Trust as the biggest single group of fans have to find a way of engaging with the owners. They don't have to like them though do they? I'm not a member of the Trust.. Don't wish to be either. But if they represent the largest organised section of our fanbase then it is right for them to try and strike some kind of dealing with SISU. It does not mean they are in cahoots with them.

Grendel · Jul 27, 2014

Can anyone articulate how the objectives of Kcic and the trust actually differ?

Nick · Jul 27, 2014

Some people just like a conspiracy and to get angry and be outraged and I would guess a large % of posters on there are included. The other day it was said this site is censored because an abusive post was deleted.

How do these people think the Trust have the power to get SISU out.

This comment sums it up:

I wouldn't worry, I find the whole thing amusing, so many fans with so many opinions, yet not so many with actions...(already I see the next excuses coming in should we end up back at the Ricoh, what was the point in marching then, it was a KCIC march not a NOPM march!!!)

Its very easy to say things via social networking yet I've barely had a negative comment said to my face....says it all really, I guess I'll come face to face with a number of these mindless morons at the next "glory" fixture!

I follow my team, not the crowd. I'll be on the hill this coming season btw, should any fans want a decent conversation, but bring your own opinions, not those of the crowd you're following....

You have people sending threats to other city fans because they go to games, I never usually check those sites and I am glad I don't. Some of these people have made profiles that are literally shrines and obsessed with SISU etc. As the post above says, I have never had anybody shout abuse at me going into Sixfields (which is how it should be and neither should anybody going in shout abuse at others) but it just shows how people want to follow others and be on a bandwagon.

You would think these are mostly like 14 or 15 year olds with their Stone Island after watching Football Factory, but some of them are middle aged men giving it loads to strangers on the internet when they know nothing about them. I am surprised it hasn't come to blows more with dickheads like this around, I know people on here disagree and bicker but at the end of the day it is nothing to that extent.

What do these people actually want the Trust to do? Stand and shout and sing songs, start a fight, make some banners, what would that achieve? Of course they need to meet and speak with SISU as well as all parties if they can. It is common sense isn't it?

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 28, 2014

Nick said:
This comment sums it up:

I preferred this one!

This amuses me all fight, ha ha ha. We have a saying where I am, beer drinking urine with demons and make the world a happy place clappy chappy ha ha ha. You, all of you should share disgusting beer urine and speak of munters, will make you happy.

hill83 · Jul 28, 2014

Hobo said:
Here speaks a man that chipped off to the nearest bar once the speeches came on. Does he actually know what KCIC is about?

The bloke running the thing doesn't even know. It changes every three days.
Now it's just a load of shouty pillocks on Facebook I believe.

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 28, 2014

lewys33 said:
If these people had voted they would have still been the minority.

The problem is (and tbf this applies for every viewpoint) with something like the Trust, where a limited number of its membership actually turn up to the meetings, it doesn't take many if co-ordinated to skew its direction.

Get a dozen to turn up, and start proposing resolutions demanding Tim Fisher makes some Scotch Eggs rather than buying them from Sainsbury's, that kind of thing...

Nick · Jul 28, 2014

Surely that is why you should be able to vote online or something also, rather than the Proxy. Like you say, it wouldn't be hard for the people who do go to the meeting to mess things up.

letsallsingtogether · Jul 28, 2014

Can anyone articulate how ANYONE'S objectives actually differ, even on this site (except RFC he won't go to the Ricoh)?

Grendel said:
Can anyone articulate how the objectives of Kcic and the trust actually differ?

Astute · Jul 28, 2014

letsallsingtogether said:
Can anyone articulate how ANYONE'S objectives actually differ, even on this site (except RFC he won't go to the Ricoh)?

That is quite easy.

Some say what would be best to happen for our club. Some like myself say what has a realistic chance of happening.

Just about all of us want the same final result. But some are then seen as not wanting what is best for our club as they are seen as wanting something that is different as is what is best. Whereas those that want what is best for our club are seen as not helping our clubs cause as they are after something that can't and won't happen.

Like I said very simple

RegTheDonk · Jul 28, 2014

Grendel said:
Can anyone articulate how the objectives of Kcic and the trust actually differ?

I do find it confusing when one group says one thing, and another group says something else. They really all ought to get together and draw up some kind of mutual agreement.

Case in point the initial link that NW put up... https://www.facebook.com/KeepCovInCovCampaign ... you would think that would have KCIK splattered everywhere. But it comes up as NOPM??

letsallsingtogether · Jul 28, 2014

Exactly Objective, End Goal, Final Result surly all the same, Back to the Ricoh.

Just different ways of thinking how it should be done. That's the only difference I can see.

Astute said:
That is quite easy.

Some say what would be best to happen for our club. Some like myself say what has a realistic chance of happening.

Just about all of us want the same final result. But some are then seen as not wanting what is best for our club as they are seen as wanting something that is different as is what is best. Whereas those that want what is best for our club are seen as not helping our clubs cause as they are after something that can't and won't happen.

Like I said very simple

ohitsaidwalker king power · Jul 28, 2014

letsallsingtogether said:
except RFC he won't go to the Ricoh?

..

And yet more reasons to be cheerful about the future..

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