Referee Analysis Luton (1 Viewer)

Johhny Blue · Mar 16, 2021

Not a very hard game for him to control. Neither team seemed really into it.

Missed one foul throw in the first half when a Luton player took it in a full sprint.
McFadz penalty. I've watched and rewatched the replay. I think it he leaned and played it fair with his shoulder. Can't tell if it hit his arm on the way down. Once the ref decided penalty it had to be a red. I did notice that Kelly was directly in the ref's line of sight so there's no way he could have been sure it was a pen. Hard on McFadz.
Dabo commited a foul early in the second half, the ref played a good advantage and I was sure he would card Dabo when play stopped. It was almost a minute until the ball was dead which may have saved him.
The commentators thought Luton's second yellow was for kicking the ball away. I think it was for the original foul but a little harsh.
He gave us one free kick in the second where the players ran into each other. I thought there was nothing in it and the ball went behind anyway so he really didn't need to make a decision.
Overall rating 7. He was good but I took one off for the pen based on the fact that he had no line of sight.

Nick · Mar 16, 2021

Yeah it wasnt a pen

pusbccfc · Mar 16, 2021

Poor for me. Major decision he got wrong and completely finished the game. Maybe some referees don't know the difference between body parts.

SAJ · Mar 16, 2021

Johhny Blue said:
Not a very hard game for him to control. Neither team seemed really into it.

Missed one foul throw in the first half when a Luton player took it in a full sprint.
McFadz penalty. I've watched and rewatched the replay. I think it he leaned and played it fair with his shoulder. Can't tell if it hit his arm on the way down. Once the ref decided penalty it had to be a red. I did notice that Kelly was directly in the ref's line of sight so there's no way he could have been sure it was a pen. Hard on McFadz.
Dabo commited a foul early in the second half, the ref played a good advantage and I was sure he would card Dabo when play stopped. It was almost a minute until the ball was dead which may have saved him.
The commentators thought Luton's second yellow was for kicking the ball away. I think it was for the original foul but a little harsh.
He gave us one free kick in the second where the players ran into each other. I thought there was nothing in it and the ball went behind anyway so he really didn't need to make a decision.
Overall rating 7. He was good but I took one off for the pen based on the fact that he had no line of sight.

Nick said:
Yeah it wasnt a pen

I think this guy is one of the better refs in this league. He’s had 3 fairly good matches this season when he’s reffed us. Not sure if it was a penalty or not my first reaction was it was shoulder. However if the ref thinks it was handball then he had no option to send him off. Don’t see how you could say he has no line of sight only he can say that surely.

Mcbean · Mar 16, 2021

Sorry not impressed - he could have asked his Lino about the penalty which was game changing - he protected their keeper at the corners and free kicks and not Wilson

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 16, 2021

Think that sending off will end up getting overturned, seemed extremely harsh

Jamiepwns · Mar 16, 2021

Mcbean said:
Sorry not impressed - he could have asked his Lino about the penalty which was game changing - he protected their keeper at the corners and free kicks and not Wilson

He might have, they have mics to talk to each other.

Johhny Blue · Mar 16, 2021

Mcbean said:
Sorry not impressed - he could have asked his Lino about the penalty which was game changing - he protected their keeper at the corners and free kicks and not Wilson

Didn’t notice that. We’re there some questionable ones?

Johhny Blue · Mar 16, 2021

SAJ said:
I think this guy is one of the better refs in this league. He’s had 3 fairly good matches this season when he’s reffed us. Not sure if it was a penalty or not my first reaction was it was shoulder. However if the ref thinks it was handball then he had no option to send him off. Don’t see how you could say he has no line of sight only he can say that surely.

His line of sight is my opinion based on replays

junglej13 · Mar 16, 2021

Did anyone watching the game live think it wasn't a pen and a red card at the time? Even having seen the replay I'm not convinced it doesn't hit his arm.

shmmeee · Mar 16, 2021

junglej13 said:
Did anyone watching the game live think it wasn't a pen and a red card at the time? Even having seen the replay I'm not convinced it doesn't hit his arm.

Looked like it hit his shoulder to me

The height of the ball alone gives a clue.

Johhny Blue · Mar 16, 2021

junglej13 said:
Did anyone watching the game live think it wasn't a pen and a red card at the time? Even having seen the replay I'm not convinced it doesn't hit his arm.

I thought it was initially but don’t think so after multiple replays.
Not sure what happens if we appeal and lose which we we’ll could.

ccfc92 · Mar 16, 2021

junglej13 said:
Did anyone watching the game live think it wasn't a pen and a red card at the time? Even having seen the replay I'm not convinced it doesn't hit his arm.

IMO, it wasn't a clear handball.

I don't know exactly what the rules are now regarding handballs preventing a goal, as the rues change so often, but if he had of used his actual hand/ arm to block/punch the ball away, then fair enough send him off.

To send him off for what is essentially a genuine attempt to block a shot is a joke and killed the game.

JimmyHillsbeard · Mar 17, 2021

junglej13 said:
Did anyone watching the game live think it wasn't a pen and a red card at the time? Even having seen the replay I'm not convinced it doesn't hit his arm.

i thought McFadz tried to bat it away with his arm and missed. It connected at some point beneath his shoulder. Would be a penalty and a red card most games.

yes it changed the game. Mistakes frequently do. Tonight our team was full of them - inept clearances that struck our own woodwork twice in a few seconds, the inability to stop a full back get past our back line to cross the ball and pastry hands which failed to stop the first goal and the poor finishing when presented with a fairly clear shot on goal moments later also changed the game.

dadgad · Mar 17, 2021

He ruined the game with a poor decision.

torchomatic · Mar 17, 2021

Poor. Never a pen. Robins said they will look to appeal. Hopefully they will. Killed the game.

Magwitch1 · Mar 18, 2021

junglej13 said:
Did anyone watching the game live think it wasn't a pen and a red card at the time? Even having seen the replay I'm not convinced it doesn't hit his arm.

This is it isn’t it. At the time and at real speed I’m sure we all feared the worse and it was a pen, having seen it now a number of times it looks we like were unlucky I think var might have ruled no penalty but not 100% sure of that. What it has highlighted is the it’s handball, on the goal line, a penalty so red card. That rule needs looking at especially when handball is given a lot easier nowadays.
As for the referee seen worse and I reckon apart from the penalty incident it was an easy game for him.

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 18, 2021

Johhny Blue said:
Didn’t notice that. We’re there some questionable ones?

The two Wilson went up for he needed to make more of the contact. The one their keeper went up for he jumped up and dived after the contact late in the second half and got free kick straight away.

EalingSB · Mar 18, 2021

Johhny Blue said:
His line of sight is my opinion based on replays

Agree 100%. Dropped this pic in the match thread at the time but there’s no way he has a clear view of that handball - he probably can see the arm stuck out, though.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Mar 18, 2021

EalingSB said:
Agree 100%. Dropped this pic in the match thread at the time but there’s no way he has a clear view of that handball - he probably can see the arm stuck out, though

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Is the ref jumping?

EalingSB · Mar 18, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Is the ref jumping?

Looks like it in the photo but he was sort of bouncing while walking rather than explicitly jumping.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Mar 18, 2021

EalingSB said:
Looks like it in the photo but he was sort of bouncing while walking rather than explicitly jumping.

Yeah, you might be right.

The thing is, it looks like McFadzean leans into the ball to try and stop it, which I think is what incriminated him even if it didn't hit his hand.

The Luton commentators were going mental which kind of affected my take on things, but I can see why it was given. I actually think that ref is pretty decent compared to some of the ones we've had.

Frostie · Mar 18, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Yeah, you might be right.

The think is, it looks like McFadzean leans into the ball to try and stop it, which I think is what incriminated him even if it didn't hit his hand.

The Luton commentators were going mental which kind of affected my take on things, but I can see why it was given. I actually think that ref is pretty decent compared to some of the ones we've had.

Agree. He was really good in the Watford game, particularly liked how he let Østigård & Deeney battle without blowing for constant free-kicks etc.

On the penalty, he's got himself in a great position but then when Kelly & Hyam move in front of McFadzean there's no way he can tell for sure where it's hit him so made a guess based on the movement of his arm & the reaction of the Luton players imo.

EalingSB · Mar 18, 2021

Frostie said:
Agree. He was really good in the Watford game, particularly liked how he let Østigård & Deeney battle without blowing for constant free-kicks etc.

On the penalty, he's got himself in a great position but then when Kelly & Hyam move in front of McFadzean there's no way he can tell for sure where it's hit him so made a guess based on the movement of his arm & the reaction of the Luton players imo.

Let's be honest, if it would have been a Luton player then we would have all been calling for a penalty. I can definitely see why he gave it even if it is touch-and-go when watching the replay. The Luton commentator was a clown - like having a fan on the mic - and the pundit with him was so dull, offering zero insight.

shmmeee · Mar 18, 2021

Frostie said:
Agree. He was really good in the Watford game, particularly liked how he let Østigård & Deeney battle without blowing for constant free-kicks etc.

On the penalty, he's got himself in a great position but then when Kelly & Hyam move in front of McFadzean there's no way he can tell for sure where it's hit him so made a guess based on the movement of his arm & the reaction of the Luton players imo.

When it’s a game killing decision like that, surely you err on the side of keeping the game as a competition if you aren’t 100% sure. Did he even consult with his Lino?

We should be able to get Lidl VAR and the fourth official rewinds iFollow on his phone

ccfc92 · Mar 18, 2021

As frustrating as the red/pen was, the attitude from our own players beforehand tells me were always going to get nothing from that game.

Hobo · Mar 18, 2021

Nick said:
Yeah it wasnt a pen

His line of sight is totally different to yours watching a stream.

I doubt he has thought, I think that was handball, I think it might have been delibrate? Ooo better give a pen and send him off.

Refs get one shout and the rest of us make decisions after constant replays.

But yes, I do think it was a harsh red and pen.

Johhny Blue · Mar 18, 2021

Hobo said:
His line of sight is totally different to yours watching a stream.

I doubt he has thought, I think that was handball, I think it might have been delibrate? Ooo better give a pen and send him off.

Refs get one shout and the rest of us make decisions after constant replays.

But yes, I do think it was a harsh red and pen.

I think the evidence Re his line of sight is pretty clear

junglej13 · Mar 18, 2021

Not surprised at all this hasn't been overturned. You can tell from the players reaction and lack of outrage that most probably thought it was a handball and then the red card comes hand in hand.

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