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Terry_dactyl

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #36
SeaSeeEffCee said:
I think it was a pen personally and I think English football as a whole needs to get away from the idea that a challenge can't possibly be a foul if the defender wins the ball. There is nothing at all about winning the ball in the laws of the game. It was reckless from Thomas and he could have done Dewsbury-Hall some fairly serious damage. That being said, the referee still had an appallig game. His defintion of a yellow card varied massively throughout and, first half especially, he seemed to want to give every decision he could to Leicester. Red card was a correct decision, poor challenge.
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I think It was a clearance rather than a challenge/tackle. If the keeper came out and did that there’s no way they’d give a pen.
 

jordan210

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #37
The amount of times the ref should have booked Leicester player for cynical fouls or totting up was ridiculous.

The amount of fouls Winks made for example
 
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Nuskyblue

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #38
jordan210 said:
The amount of times the ref should have booked Leicester player for cynical fouls or totting up was ridiculous.

The amount of fouls Winks made for example
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Winks

His near meltdowns in the last 10 minutes were delicious. What a fucking child.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #39
SeaSeeEffCee said:
I think it was a pen personally and I think English football as a whole needs to get away from the idea that a challenge can't possibly be a foul if the defender wins the ball. There is nothing at all about winning the ball in the laws of the game. It was reckless from Thomas and he could have done Dewsbury-Hall some fairly serious damage. That being said, the referee still had an appallig game. His defintion of a yellow card varied massively throughout and, first half especially, he seemed to want to give every decision he could to Leicester. Red card was a correct decision, poor challenge.
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Disagree. That kind of challenge for the pen is absolutely not what I want to see punished. Winning the ball and colliding is fundamentally different from not touching the ball IMO.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #40
Enjoyed the Leicester fan getting kicked out of his box when they scored as well. Muppet.
 
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skybluegod

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #41
shmmeee said:
Disagree. That kind of challenge for the pen is absolutely not what I want to see punished. Winning the ball and colliding is fundamentally different from not touching the ball IMO.
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When you see the replay you do see the challenge is a bit too high. In real time I didn't think it was but having seen the replay back, it's how high Thomas' foot is that has gone against him.
 

Nick

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #42
SeaSeeEffCee said:
I think it was a pen personally and I think English football as a whole needs to get away from the idea that a challenge can't possibly be a foul if the defender wins the ball. There is nothing at all about winning the ball in the laws of the game. It was reckless from Thomas and he could have done Dewsbury-Hall some fairly serious damage. That being said, the referee still had an appallig game. His defintion of a yellow card varied massively throughout and, first half especially, he seemed to want to give every decision he could to Leicester. Red card was a correct decision, poor challenge.
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It wasn't reckless because their player actually went into Thomas.

Unlike their keeper.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #43
skybluegod said:
When you see the replay you do see the challenge is a bit too high. In real time I didn't think it was but having seen the replay back, it's how high Thomas' foot is that has gone against him.
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Don’t get me started on the high feet rule. Game is football. Any rule that technically makes bicycle kicks illegal is a stupid rule.
 

SkyBlueSoul

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #44
With laws as they are currently, it’s a pen. He gets the ball but his follow through would be deemed as reckless, gets him on the knee with his studs.

 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #45
shmmeee said:
Enjoyed the Leicester fan getting kicked out of his box when they scored as well. Muppet.
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You've got to be a special kind of idiot to pay a fortune for a box, giving the club all your details in the process and then kick off and get yourself thrown out
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #46
SkyBlueSoul said:
With laws as they are currently, it’s a pen. He gets the ball but his follow through would be deemed as reckless, gets him on the knee with his studs.

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Which then raises the question in that position how is he supposed to clear the ball, or are the rules now that defenders are supposed to let players past them unchallenged?

I don't see a way he plays that ball with zero follow through.
 
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Cally Fedora

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #47
Both just about right for me. Thomas yellow only as he did get the ball but the follow through wasn’t needed. Red , just about and that was for them so who cares. Palmer should have been hooked off earlier as he was a red waiting to happen.
 
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Nuskyblue

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #48
shmmeee said:
Don’t get me started on the high feet rule. Game is football. Any rule that technically makes bicycle kicks illegal is a stupid rule.
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Again I'm with you.
 

Nuskyblue

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #49
chiefdave said:
Which then raises the question in that position how is he supposed to clear the ball, or are the rules now that defenders are supposed to let players past them unchallenged?

I don't see a way he plays that ball with zero follow through.
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OK

This is a different angle, makes the decision look a farce!
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #50
Cally Fedora said:
Both just about right for me. Thomas yellow only as he did get the ball but the follow through wasn’t needed. Red , just about and that was for them so who cares. Palmer should have been hooked off earlier as he was a red waiting to happen.
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Where was he meant to put his leg after he kicked it?
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #51
shmmeee said:
Enjoyed the Leicester fan getting kicked out of his box when they scored as well. Muppet.
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Especially when he bottled it from the 2 Cov fans after giving it large from behind the fence. What goes around comes around!

Total idiot.
 
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lord_garrincha

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #52
Won 3-1.

Leave the bastard alone. He did his job.
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #53
SkyBlueSoul said:
With laws as they are currently, it’s a pen. He gets the ball but his follow through would be deemed as reckless, gets him on the knee with his studs.

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Their player gets him on the foot
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #54
Nick said:
Where was he meant to put his leg after he kicked it?
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Exactly this. Wanting players to what exactly? Snap their leg back in the moment? Ridiculous expectations.
 
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SkyBlueSoul

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #55
chiefdave said:
Which then raises the question in that position how is he supposed to clear the ball, or are the rules now that defenders are supposed to let players past them unchallenged?

I don't see a way he plays that ball with zero follow through.
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I agree which is why I mentioned the laws as they are. I think it’s a great challenge, he gets across and gets the ball but any contact after and you’re penalised. Nothing Thomas could have done better there.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #56
Ashdown said:
Never a pen, he’s clearly won the ball from DHall who isn’t in control at all. It’s a goal kick . The sending off was valid, he dived in and could have broke his leg the dirty bastard.
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What’s getting the ball got to do with the pen?
 

Calista

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #57
hill83 said:
Fair enough didn’t know that ha ha
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You can usually spot 'em from 200 yards away as I recall
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #58
shmmeee said:
Exactly this. Wanting players to what exactly? Snap their leg back in the moment? Ridiculous expectations.
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You could easily see a very nasty injury - I think it’s a clear pen and yellow based on the lotg rather than the laws that lads who play a bit think
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #59
Sky Blue Pete said:
What’s getting the ball got to do with the pen?
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He kicked the ball, their player ran into him.
 
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Matt smith

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #60
Sky Blue Pete said:
You could easily see a very nasty injury - I think it’s a clear pen and yellow based on the lotg rather than the laws that lads who play a bit think
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But he’s played the ball though?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #61
Greggs said:
How can it be a pen if he got the ball first?
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Course it can be Greggs just cause you win the ball doesn’t mean it can’t be a free kick
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #62
Sky Blue Pete said:
You could easily see a very nasty injury - I think it’s a clear pen and yellow based on the lotg rather than the laws that lads who play a bit think
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Im not arguing the rules. Im saying the rules are stupid and made by people watching slow mo replays with no basis in reality. What do you want Thomas to do there? Not make a challenge?
 
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pusbccfc

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #63
Matt smith said:
But he’s played the ball though?
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And it's not like other tackles where he played the ball and the man at the same time.
 
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Marty

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #64
At the time, couldn't believe it was a pen and it looked a definite red card for them. On replay, it was a pen and still a definite red for them, thought the ref was awful though, Winks should have been booked about 5 times.
 

pusbccfc

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #65


This was awful
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #66
Still don’t get this follow through thing. Have people ever kicked a ball? If you’re trying to snap your foot back after contact you aren’t kicking the ball properly. You should kick through the ball.

Genuinely baffled.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #67
SkyBlueSoul said:
With laws as they are currently, it’s a pen. He gets the ball but his follow through would be deemed as reckless, gets him on the knee with his studs.

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He must have been bleeding like a stuck pig after that.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #68
pusbccfc said:
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This was awful
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Wouldn’t look out of place in Flying Tiger, Hidden Dragon.

I’d still make it legal though
 
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Calista

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #69
Thomas clears the ball, and their player arrives a fraction later while Thomas's foot is (quite naturally) still in the air.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 13, 2024
  • #70
Nick said:
He kicked the ball, their player ran into him.
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Is one way of seeing it yes
 
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