Didn't watch or pay any attention to the World Cup, but that tech's exactly what I hate about technology use for offsides.Was used in the World Cup.
Semi-automated offside: What is it and how does it work? - BBC Sport
How does the semi-automated offside system work?www.bbc.com
Ive said before a separate timekeeper linked to the clock on the big screen we pay enough for the game we want to see more of it not some little twat ref deciding he’s had enough at three minutes.
I don’t man, unless the laws changed to match what Wenger wanted, I think I’d rather have it be as consistent as it can be especially with us playing such a high line atm.Didn't watch or pay any attention to the World Cup, but that tech's exactly what I hate about technology use for offsides.
I don’t man, unless the laws changed to match what Wenger wanted, I think I’d rather have it be as consistent as it can be especially with us playing such a high line atm.
It's not inconsistency with offside, though, as it's not subjective. It's ability to judge it.I don’t man, unless the laws changed to match what Wenger wanted, I think I’d rather have it be as consistent as it can be especially with us playing such a high line atm.
A degree is fine but it just seems like there’s an offside call constantly missed or incorrectly given. Wonder what the stats are, as probably just how it feelsIt's not inconsistency with offside, though, as it's not subjective. It's ability to judge it.
I can accept a degree of leeway with offside.
I get that offside is not subjective, football is however played by human not robots so I think a bit of flex in the system is needed.It's not inconsistency with offside, though, as it's not subjective. It's ability to judge it.
I can accept a degree of leeway with offside.
I think if you need lines on the pitch to tell then it should be original decision.I get that offside is not subjective, football is however played by human not robots so I think a bit of flex in the system is needed.
IMO if it takes more than 10 seconds to decide offside/onside the original decision should stand.
When I did my referees course they said if in doubt flag it offside. If you don’t flag it offside and they score you get all sorts of crap. Flag it offside before it gets contentious.A degree is fine but it just seems like there’s an offside call constantly missed or incorrectly given. Wonder what the stats are, as probably just how it feels
What's the point the Referee will always make the decision, the linesman against Burnley was adamant that it was a corner to city remember he was about 10 foot away, the Referee said its not and told the goalkeeper to playing but the linesman still kept flagging for a corner and still the Referee said no! The ref was 25 yards away for God Sake and they wonder why they get so much shit. As I said to the Misses being a Ref now gives you loads of ways to affect the outcome of gamesWhat suggestion would we put forward to improve the quality of officiating in the league?
Time keeping needs to be taken off the ref. 40 minutes of ball in play on a stop clock like Rugby.
I'd like the decision making process to include all officials rather than the refs judgement. On Saturday when Milan got booked the 4th official and lino were much better placed to make a decision than the ref.
I wouldn't mind the 5th and 6th officials behind each goal as well, if it meant we didn't have VAR in the champ. You'd say that this week they'd have seen Hajis offside goal (bad for us but correct decision), and been able to make the correct call on the handball. Even if they don't add more value than that, it's 2 game altering decisions which would be correct.
Offside is subjective. When was the ball played? Is a player interfering/gaining an advantage? etc. etc.I get that offside is not subjective, football is however played by human not robots so I think a bit of flex in the system is needed.
IMO if it takes more than 10 seconds to decide offside/onside the original decision should stand.
This is the key for me.Back to post Qatar injury time, all handled by the fourth official.
Dissent and cheating board to meet each week and give retrospective yellows for diving, feigning injury, etc.
Yep-that’s fair. I’m sure you are aware that I also am an assessor and should be batting for the local FA’s I’m associated with. It has happened to me in years gone by and will continue unfortunately that performances on the pitch will only count for so much. If you don’t do the other side of things (politics etc) and attend the BBQ’s etc you will stall.When I did my referees course they said if in doubt flag it offside. If you don’t flag it offside and they score you get all sorts of crap. Flag it offside before it gets contentious.
I didn’t agree and said the benefit of doubt is supposed to be with the attacker, I didn’t rise very far up the promotion ladder going against their cosy little union.
You don’t have to go back too far(if you wish to trawl through the posts) to find posts that said Sam Allison was the best Referee we had in ages when he was new on the scene which isn’t very long ago.Was even worse against Derby.
Pretty sure that was that Sam Allison, their second goal was about 4 feet out of play.
We were shit though, it's just refs don't help.
This is the key for me.
You have 22 grown men out on the pitch actively cheating, pure & simple. 22 men all out to con 1 referee. We are then apoplectic when a referee falls for it if it goes against us, but mostly silent or having a laugh about it if it's to our advantage. Until players are properly punished for cheating, rather than rewarded for it like Burnley, it will never end.
I'm a big advocate of paying them more and then expecting incredible quality out of them. £50k isn't all that much in the grand scheme of things and the abuse they get the only people willing to take it up are there because they want to make it about themselves - as Clattenburg outright said.Back to post Qatar injury time, all handled by the fourth official.
Dissent and cheating board to meet each week and give retrospective yellows for diving, feigning injury, etc.
Pay refs more, train them more, expect more, maybe mike them up or give interviews.
Where it works bring in tech for ball out of play/goal/offside, etc.
Fuck VAR into the sun.
I think the madcap celebrations are part of the entertainment, unless they are in anyway abusive or disrespectful to opposition fans or players I don't see that there is a big problem.The thing is, yeah, I love it when Wilson used to lie down on the ball in the last minute. However, if it became consistent in that things got punished, then it's part of the game. My issue is when you have a ref clearly not being consistent.
By all means be strict, petty, play right onto the rules and make sure every kick is taken from the right place. Do it for both teams and it's fair enough.
Refs cant just decide to start doing shit sometimes but not others, it's the same as the whole "going off at the nearest point" . Start making things actual rules and apply them properly and consistently.
Paterson took his shirt off to celebrate in the heat of the moment, it's a yellow card. Simple as that, regardless of who he plays for. Make things as clear cut as that.
Fans don't want consistency, they want referees who agree with them. As fans we routinely lose our shit over the consistent application of rules we didn't even know existed (the ref giving the ball to Portsmouth's keeper last week).Refs cant just decide to start doing shit sometimes but not others, it's the same as the whole "going off at the nearest point" . Start making things actual rules and apply them properly and consistently.
That rule is one of the most nonsensical in the game in fairness.Fans don't want consistency, they want referees who agree with them. As fans we routinely lose our shit over the consistent application of rules we didn't even know existed (the ref giving the ball to Portsmouth's keeper last week).
Which is exactly my point - consistent application of the rules isn't what fans want at all. They just want the refs to do what feels right to them in the moment.That rule is one of the most nonsensical in the game in fairness.
Fans don't want consistency, they want referees who agree with them. As fans we routinely lose our shit over the consistent application of rules we didn't even know existed (the ref giving the ball to Portsmouth's keeper last week).
OK?It's alright saying that and being obsessive over where a free kick is taken. Portsmouth would regularly gain about 15 yards from throw ins and he missed a clear handball and clear bookings.
If the referee gets in the way of the ball that’s being passed by one player to his teammate, why is play restarted with the ball being given to the opposition?Which is exactly my point - consistent application of the rules isn't what fans want at all. They just want the refs to do what feels right to them in the moment.
It doesn't matter, those are the rules, and we just want refs to be consistent right?If the referee gets in the way of the ball that’s being passed by one player to his teammate, why is play restarted with the ball being given to the opposition?
It doesn't matter, those are the rules, and we just want refs to be consistent right?
The ref made a mistake, it was a bad one, we all got upset. See also: most players over the course of the season. It happens, the question is how you get over it (if you ever do).The rules also say if somebody shoots, a defender can't put his hand out to stop it from reaching the goal.... It's all well and good getting exiting over some obscure rule being applied to defend the ref when they fuck up on basic, whopping things like that.
The ref made a mistake, it was a bad one, we all got upset. See also: most players over the course of the season. It happens, the question is how you get over it (if you ever do).
I’m not defending the ref, I thought he was shit. What I don’t want is this mentality of “refs have to be CONSISTENT” which has led to this VAR shite where half the game and all of the post-match is spent micro-analysing decisions that no-one can agree on as if there’s a right answer every time.
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