Recruiting Academy Scouts

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  1. Nick

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    VACANCY: Regional Academy Scout

    Another decent sign, 3 scouts being recruited.

     
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    Maybe some of the experts on here can apply.
     
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    From memory, the use of the word "recruited" is a bit over-blown. I think as a scout you get your petrol money and that's it and you don't join as a club employee as such. Many scouts are doing the job principally to "keep their hand in" and use the match visits to develop/maintain their own contact books for use in getting "proper" jobs at some point.

    Maybe they get a nominal match/weekly fee but I don't think that's what we offered under recent managers (which maybe explains why our scouting network was under-staffed!!). Only a chief scout, like Thorn, would be a fully salaried member of the payroll, and that's been a role which was then unfilled for a while then replaced by Venus/Widdrington's responsibilities.

    This is a department that has been historically under-staffed so it's good to see the club focusing on developing this; the club needs its own proprietary database of players/prospects and needs someone in-house to keep maintaining this - I understand we've lacked this in the past which has meant that we've been uncompetitive when it comes to player recruitment.
     
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    Yeah Oucho is largely correct, I did a little bit of scouting for the academy before, the only fee you get other than transportation is based on how many players you bring in, and then how far they progress, but even then the fee is nominal, might have changed now but that's what it was a couple years back.
     
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    This book gives the low down.

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  6. Nick

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    You can recruit volunteers who get paid nothing.
     
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    Yes I've been asked in the past aswell on the basis of expenses etc and a windfall if any you have recruited make the grade and are sold on etc.
     
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    I can imagine your note book - shit, shit , shit, shit ,shit, shit ,shit, shit ,shit, shit ,shit, shit ,shit, shit ,waste of space, shit, shit ,shit, shit ,!!
     
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    Ha yeah.....I was just thinking the same....

    "close it down".
     
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    He’d probably hunt down the scout that brought in Lee Burge and shoot him..
     
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    Indeed....which is why I pointed out the context in which we're "recruiting" scouts, lest anyone think they were full-time payroll employees.
     
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    Why would they? It says on the link "Casual Basis".

    Just to confirm, they aren't being paid £50k either. It says "Monthly Retainer and bonus schedule"

    "Quick, somebody doing something slightly positive in regards to CCFC, phone the lads and put it out"

    [​IMG]
     
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    Seen better Sunday morning keepers!:emoji_stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
     
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    That's a bit extreme, if you read my post you'll see I was praising the club whilst explaining the context of the use of the word "recruitment" in the headline for those who wouldn't have read the whole article.
     
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    i just read the job description and requirements -"must have been at least a seconder whilst a cub (prefereably a sixer) - own woggle and neckachief an advantage"
     
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    Tut tut, that's sexist!
     
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    Chill,
    Oucho is just explaining how it works.
    I assume you like me presumed it meant we were recruiting new scouts in different roles. Which is would potentially be a very positive move i.e. long term future. However in reality it seems it's not that significant really.
    I think fair play fir Oucho and others explaining it.
    You shouldn't jump in someone's back if they provide knowledge about a certain subject.
    Just take on board what they said.
    Should Oucho keep his gob shut, because it's not positive?
     
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    I know about the subject? I didn't assume anything.
     
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    Tbh this is the way even most Premier League teams operate
    Anyone who's run a kids team with one or two outstanding boys will have regular approaches from scouts trying to get the lad to come to his club's training sessions for assessment
    The scout is usually paid on results with payments due when the lad signs a scholarship, makes his debut, plays a certain number of games and so on all the way up to International selection
    It is a positive sign that we are developing an infrastructure
     
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    It's okay recruiting scouts the more the merrier but I watch the Acadamy or one of the age groups every week and only last week was told we are only at Higgs until March then where?. It's tough enough recruiting players under the noses of the likes of Leicester, Blues, Albion and Billa as it is but the doubts re our Acadamy future are still with us. The set-up at ccfc Acadamy is good I can only talk for the age group I watch and our standard is high and imo better than a lot but as said while our Acadamy future isn't secure our scouts will have struggle to attract newbies
     
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    You were only told that last week? Julian gray has gone too.
     
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    I didn't. And if oucho didn't say how it works I still wouldn't know.
     
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    What age group do you watch? I’ve seen a few and really like what I see
     
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    I follow my grandson in the under elevens, obviously very early days but at the moment his progress is good very good infact, and that's all I am looking for
     
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    Typical inept reply, just don't come bellyaching when one our Acadamy is no more and two have nowhere to play
     
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    How is it inept?
     
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    Yes but we don't play on a Sunday morning. We need a Saturday afternoon keeper at the very least.
     
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    Ok, seen better keepers in the Cov Alliance, Stratford Alliance and the MFL.:emoji_thumbsup:
     
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    Oh sorry, so you knew it was the way he explained it.
    I didn't and was glad it was explained to me.
    I didn't take it the way you did. I Just found it informative.
    As stated by others though actually securing a long term place to play would be about the only positive sign that we need to see. Both at academy and at senior level.
     
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    From the academy staff I talked to when I was with the academy scouting, they were not overly worried about the whole situation. They said it was more of a problem attracting and keeping kids, because parents didn’t trust that the academy was gonna keep running, but they themselves seemed to think that either the deal will always be extended or their are suitable enough options. However this is obviously a tiny bit dated. But even then they were confident of longer term at Higgs.
     
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    My point of view I'm afraid is totally selfish on behalf of my grandson, he has at the moment ability, and he's there simply to play, learn, improve and progress and at the moment that's what is happening. The coaching is very good, he plays against better players than Sunday league he enjoys it and at the moment seems to be thriving and hopefully that continues. But our objective is for him to be good enough to make a living from football at the highest level he can achieve, if at a later date it we believe moving somewhere else to get to that required level he will, he has to, playing with better players under better coaching has to be the way, hopefully here at Cov
     
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    Tbh it’s looking more and more likely, that young kids, like your grandson, will have to stay somewhere like Coventry.
    While he may be snapped up if shows talent, as is well known they hoard talent, and a lot of kids are spat out and not cared for.
    Think it is much better to come through a league one or two academy, because they rely on an academy and often give more opportunities.
     
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    But that can also be counterproductive as you are getting "coached" at a lower level, whereas if you are at a Premier league club everything including coaching/academies etc would be of a much better level/standard. Also playing with better players around you can sometimes move you forward too.
     
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    Wouldn’t say coaching is necessarily better, better faculties and more coaches yes. Our academy manager Richard Stevens is more qualified than a lot of professional managers. But he doesn’t want to step up to senior level. Yes you are right playing with better players might help. But if they are never given the chance, then many just drop out of football. Or to non-league whereas playing for a lower league club you perhaps have a bigger chance of making it as a pro.
     
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    You should apply. You can unearth some more gems like Chris "championship quality" Hussey, Ryan "premier class" Haynes, Jordan "£1 million" Willis and Cody "scores everywhere (as long as it's in gillingham" Mcdonald
     

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