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Astute

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #141
Skyblueweeman said:
Alright Rocky, calm down!


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Rocky? He was starting to give me a right pasting
 

Winny the Bish

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #142
Just watched the highlights and can't believe RCC is getting so much stick for the first goal. The ball clearly takes a deflection off Stokes(?) and changes its direction. You see RCC having to move his hands at the last second, which is why the ball squirms away.
Yes, he could have done better with it but it's hardly like he's gifted Doncaster a goal there.

And the second goal is all on Fleck. All he has to do is turn away and travel with the ball up the field and he's out of danger. Instead, he plays it in the direction of their player!
 

Mcbean

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #143
skyblue93 said:
Just watched the highlights and can't believe RCC is getting so much stick for the first goal. The ball clearly takes a deflection off Stokes(?) and changes its direction. You see RCC having to move his hands at the last second, which is why the ball squirms away.
Yes, he could have done better with it but it's hardly like he's gifted Doncaster a goal there.

And the second goal is all on Fleck. All he has to do is turn away and travel with the ball up the field and he's out of danger. Instead, he plays it in the direction of their player!
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #144
Yep absolutely bang on
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #145
skyblue93 said:
Just watched the highlights and can't believe RCC is getting so much stick for the first goal. The ball clearly takes a deflection off Stokes(?) and changes its direction. You see RCC having to move his hands at the last second, which is why the ball squirms away.
Yes, he could have done better with it but it's hardly like he's gifted Doncaster a goal there.

And the second goal is all on Fleck. All he has to do is turn away and travel with the ball up the field and he's out of danger. Instead, he plays it in the direction of their player!
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Deflection on the first goal is negligible if at all, not at all a clear deflection. It should have been kept out.

Second goal is Flecks mistake but the mistake came about because we were overplaying at the back with starts with the keeper as he wants to play possession football between himself and the back 4, just seen the second goal again and its worse than I remembered at the time, not at all a quick release like was claimed earlier in the thread.
 
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rupert_bear

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #146
One little cock up and the goalkeeping police on here are on the case, this is a kid playing his first season in competetive pro football kept about 50% clean sheets, made a couple of crucial saves at Bradford to help us gain a point, might have done better with the first goal but there was a bit of a deflection and had the ball come off him a couple of inches either way I doubt they would have scored. The main reason we dropped the two points was our forwards not converting our pressure into goals, our final ball yesterday was generally poor.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #147
rupert_bear said:
One little cock up and the goalkeeping police on here are on the case, this is a kid playing his first season in competetive pro football kept about 50% clean sheets, made a couple of crucial saves at Bradford to help us gain a point, might have done better with the first goal but there was a bit of a deflection and had the ball come off him a couple of inches either way I doubt they would have scored. The main reason we dropped the two points was our forwards not converting our pressure into goals, our final ball yesterday was generally poor.
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Ridiculous to say the reason we drew was because of the forwards, it was because we gave away two horrendous goals. The majority of the fans know it, Mowbray will know it and RCC and Fleck will also know it also.

I'm very happy with how both Charles-Cook and Fleck have both performed this season but between them they cost us 2 points yesterday.
 

Evo1883

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #148
Just watched the goals ..the second was flecks fault 100% ..had ample room to play it to martin again ..made the wrong choice .
The first also began with a fleck mistake ..but charles cook did badly with the shot .
Just unlucky
 

Winny the Bish

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #149
CCFC said:
Deflection on the first goal is negligible if at all, not at all a clear deflection. It should have been kept out.

Second goal is Flecks mistake but the mistake came about because we were overplaying at the back with starts with the keeper as he wants to play possession football between himself and the back 4, just seen the second goal again and its worse than I remembered at the time, not at all a quick release like was claimed earlier in the thread.
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It is a deflection though, and he has a fraction of a second to move his hands and change his positioning. It's unfortunate more than it is bad play.

Are you really trying to say that Charles-Cook has made the decision for the entire defence to play out of the back? And not Mowbray?
 

Astute

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #150
CCFC said:
Ridiculous to say the reason we drew was because of the forwards, it was because we gave away two horrendous goals. The majority of the fans know it, Mowbray will know it and RCC and Fleck will also know it also.

I'm very happy with how both Charles-Cook and Fleck have both performed this season but between them they cost us 2 points yesterday.
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But if the forwards had scored 1 more goal we would have won. Didn't the forwards make any mistakes?
 

Otis

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #151
skyblue93 said:
It is a deflection though, and he has a fraction of a second to move his hands and change his positioning. It's unfortunate more than it is bad play.

Are you really trying to say that Charles-Cook has made the decision for the entire defence to play out of the back? And not Mowbray?
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Exactly. It surely has to be Mowbray.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #152
I'm sure Mowbray wants to encourage us to build from the back but its still possible that Charles Cook is overdoing it. Surely if it was coming directly from the manager that he wants the keeper to play one touch short passes between the keeper and players even when the opposition are pressing then Burge would have been doing it as well?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #153
tbh after years of a massive hoof, I find building from the back and possession refreshing. Give me the occasional error in exchange for a progressive approach, any time.
 

Otis

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #154
Deleted member 5849 said:
tbh after years of a massive hoof, I find building from the back and possession refreshing. Give me the occasional error in exchange for a progressive approach, any time.
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Well said, NW. Totally agree,
 

lifeskyblue

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #155
Yes forwards do make mistakes but fleck and RCC will themselves blame the result on their mistakes. That is the nature of football. A better shot etc might not result in a goal as the keeper may make a blinding save. But a keeper who spills the ball at the feet of a forward who scores has conceded. If the player had t scored or the guy picking up on flecks mistake had blazed wide we wouldn't be having the conversation


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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #156
Deleted member 5849 said:
tbh after years of a massive hoof, I find building from the back and possession refreshing. Give me the occasional error in exchange for a progressive approach, any time.
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Completely missing the point, any top level keeper who play at the very highest level, i'm talking your arsenals, manchester uniteds and man cities of this world, their keepers know when to clear their lines and when to play it short, or when throw and when to kick it. If they choose to kick because the short ball is too high risk this doesn't make there team hoofball merchants and footballing dinosaurs, its this decision making what makes them such good keepers.
You don't often see goalkeepers playing one touch possession triangles with outfield players except maybe Manuel Neuer. There's a reason for this and it is because if you continue to do it goals like yesterday will continue to go in.
 

letsallsingtogether

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #157
Astute said:
For me RCC not as bad as some say and Burge not as good as others would have us believe. 2 goalkeepers that are learning their trade. One is going the right way. One not advancing. The defence has faith in one but not the other.
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So how can you say one is not advancing when you haven't seen him play in a senior game for a couple of months?
You never know given a other chance he may come on leaps and bounds.
I remember the shit Demi used to get from City fans seems a good keeper now.

Just seems that Burge would have been crucified on here for that blunder?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #158
CCFC said:
Completely missing the point.
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Yep, you are.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #159
Such an intelligent reply, try replying to my actual post.
 

Otis

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #160
letsallsingtogether said:
So how can you say one is not advancing when you haven't seen him play in a senior game for a couple of months?
You never know given a other chance he may come on leaps and bounds.
I remember the shit Demi used to get from City fans seems a good keeper now.

Just seems that Burge would have been crucified on here for that blunder?
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There are a lot crucifying RCC for yesterday and not just that 1st goal either, but the 2nd too, where it was very clearly Fleck's fault.

When RCC gave Fleck the ball Fleck wasn't tightly marked, it wasn't a hurried pass and Fleck had more than enough time to look up before he made the next pass. He could also have quite clearly just simply have give the ball back to RCC too.

If there is any blame at all for RCC for that 2nd goal, it has to be well less than 5% and probably not even 1%,

Charles-Cook is getting a lot of stick on here since the game. no doubt about it.
 

lifeskyblue

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #161
Yes he is and it not all justified. Same as with burge. As far as I remember no mistake of his led to an opposition goal this season. Nature of our fans...any mistake...and your cricified


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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #162
Otis said:
There are a lot crucifying RCC for yesterday and not just that 1st goal either, but the 2nd too, where it was very clearly Fleck's fault.

When RCC gave Fleck the ball Fleck wasn't tightly marked, it wasn't a hurried pass and Fleck had more than enough time to look up before he made the next pass. He could also have quite clearly just simply have give the ball back to RCC too.

If there is any blame at all for RCC for that 2nd goal, it has to be well less than 5% and probably not even 1%,

Charles-Cook is getting a lot of stick on here since the game. no doubt about it.
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Like I said the second is Flecks mistake but it came about because of overplaying it at the back of which Charles-Cook is guilty of, a goal like that has been waiting to happen since he came into the side.

Charles-Cook has potential but also lots of things to work on, my hope is that he will learn from yesterday and it will make him into a better goal keeper. Some people seem to be happy for him to continue overplaying it in defence which will only invite more goals to go in like yesterday.
 

Otis

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #163
lifeskyblue said:
Yes he is and it not all justified. Same as with burge. As far as I remember no mistake of his led to an opposition goal this season. Nature of our fans...any mistake...and your cricified


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The problem, as I have said many a time before, when Burge was in goal he gave the back four the jitters. He didn't show confidence and didn't command the box at all. As soon as RCC came in, he showed composure and confidence and we suddenly looked a lot tighter unit at the back.

For me the difference was enormous. We suddenly looked a much stronger side when RCC took on the goalkeeping role. He was catching everything with confidence and commanding the box. Burge looked unsure, nervy and was dropping catches. You keep dropping catches you will let goals in, there is no doubt.
 

Otis

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #164
CCFC said:
Like I said the second is Flecks mistake but it came about because of overplaying it at the back of which Charles-Cook is guilty of, a goal like that has been waiting to happen since he came into the side.

Charles-Cook has potential but also lots of things to work on, my hope is that he will learn from yesterday and it will make him into a better goal keeper. Some people seem to be happy for him to continue overplaying it in defence which will only invite more goals to go in like yesterday.
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No, I get that, but that ball out to Fleck didn't put Fleck in any danger and he wasn't being closed down. Fleck did have time to play the ball, he just didn't look.
 

lifeskyblue

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #165
CCFC said:
Like I said the second is Flecks mistake but it came about because of overplaying it at the back of which Charles-Cook is guilty of, a goal like that has been waiting to happen since he came into the side.

Charles-Cook has potential but also lots of things to work on, my hope is that he will learn from yesterday and it will make him into a better goal keeper. Some people seem to be happy for him to continue overplaying it in defence which will only invite more goals to go in like yesterday.
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Hopefully oft and TM will be having a word and try to improve his decision making on when to play it out and when to go long. Also on Kent when to play the pass (and Armstrong and Murphy). Great youngsters all developing. Occasionally it is sublime but occasionally it leads to errors


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lifeskyblue

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #166
Oggy not oft


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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #167
lifeskyblue said:
Hopefully oft and TM will be having a word and try to improve his decision making on when to play it out and when to go long. Also on Kent when to play the pass (and Armstrong and Murphy). Great youngsters all developing. Occasionally it is sublime but occasionally it leads to errors


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Errors in a young talented side are fine as long as you can see improvement and that they are trying to learn from said error. They shouldn't be ignored and swept under the carpet though.
 
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wal3590

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #168
Anyone would think we are absolute toss, and bottom of the league. Everyone makes mistakes, its the way they learn from it that matters, we are an incredibly young team. This will happen at times. A city team unbeaten at home, enjoy it!
 

Otis

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #169
lifeskyblue said:
Oggy not oft


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How dare you call Oggy an oft! You will be labelled as an Oggy hater if you're not careful!!
 

lifeskyblue

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #170
CCFC said:
Errors in a young talented side are fine as long as you can see improvement and that they are trying to learn from said error. They shouldn't be ignored and swept under the carpet though.
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Absolutely that's why I say TM and oggy should be having a word


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lifeskyblue

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #171
Otis said:
How dare you call Oggy an oft! You will be labelled as an Oggy hater if you're not careful!!
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Mea culpa...


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mechaishida

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #172
The bigger picture is that RCC is more assured, more vocal and light years more confident - like I said elsewhere, yes he may drop a few clangers, but that's an aspect of his game that should/would be coached out of him.
With Burge, I dunno, no offence to the lad but there's nothing about him...no presence, no air of confidence and a serious issue with decision-making/positioning. I look at him and see a lad bereft of focus and confidence; he's simply not developing or improving.

I'd rather have RCC drop a few clangers every 10 games or so, than have Burge fumbling and flapping his way through every game between the sticks. Either Burge needs to knuckle down and address his shortcomings, or I can see TM getting shot of him.
 

Gazolba

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #173
All goalkeepers make mistakes it's true, but good goalkeepers make a lot less. We need a better goal-keeper. We'll need one anyway if we go up because neither of ours are anywhere near good enough. They are learning their trade at our expense.
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #174
He's been a bonus really
At the start of the season you'd have suspected we needed an experienced keeper..
TM was prepared to see how it went and currently not too bad.
As long as we maintain Auto's, no problem, If on the other hand we tail off I wouldn't like to think of either playing In the knockout stages of the Play -offs.
 

Nick

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  • Nov 29, 2015
  • #175
wingy said:
He's been a bonus really
At the start of the season you'd have suspected we needed an experienced keeper..
TM was prepared to see how it went and currently not too bad.
As long as we maintain Auto's, no problem, If on the other hand we tail off I wouldn't like to think of either playing In the knockout stages of the Play -offs.
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Imagine a Penalty shootout to get promoted, with our record
 
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