If you believe “picked up a knock” is always said in truth then I’ve a bridge to sell you.
Bright “picked up a knock”.
Sometimes it means “dropped for a bit”.
If you believe “picked up a knock” is always said in truth then I’ve a bridge to sell you.
Bright “picked up a knock”.
Sometimes it means “dropped for a bit”.
Look all you like. You might find whatever suits you.Serious Q @Frostie is dispossessions a stat that’s collected? I can’t find it anywhere on the free sites. We know Sheaf doesn’t lose the ball as much from passes (one of the best in the squad for pass completion) but where would we find stats on how often he’s tackled?
Look all you like. You might find whatever suits you.
It won’t change my opinion: Sheaf seems to dither and get caught out too often. I watch matches to see that, not mess around with daft stats.
Serious Q @Frostie is dispossessions a stat that’s collected? I can’t find it anywhere on the free sites. We know Sheaf doesn’t lose the ball as much from passes (one of the best in the squad for pass completion) but where would we find stats on how often he’s tackled?
I’m actually backing your point up here even though you can’t see it.
You’re coming across like this though:
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Maybe.I’m actually backing your point up here even though you can’t see it.
You’re coming across like this though:
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Apparently there is belief within the club that Sheaf could end up a centre-half, don’t shoot the messenger just repeating what I have heard.
Remember you're debating with a guy who said his teammates actively avoid passing him the ball despite him having the most touches of any player in certain games...
Pointless trying to reason with him.
Don’t hate Sheaf. He gives the ball away by dithering. He needs to sort that or it costs the team
It’s pretty straightforward.
There are those who don’t see that. I think they’re a bit clouded by stats that are irrelevant.
I’ll stick to my guns - not going to be browbeaten that Sheaf doesn’t give the ball away.
Think I’ve been pretty consistent on this today.Seen some nonsense on here but you saying “don’t hate Sheaf” after your diatribe on here takes the biscuit
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Think I’ve been pretty consistent on this today.
He’s prone to giving the ball away and that is a particular liability if he’s sitting in front of the back line. There are posters trying to “prove” that he doesn’t by referring to passing stats and comparing to Hamer which is a nonsense.
It’s a side to his game that lets him down.
If you want me to say “Sheaf doesn’t get caught in possession more than he should” then let me know or perhaps say it yourself.
Think I’ve been pretty consistent on this today.
He’s prone to giving the ball away and that is a particular liability if he’s sitting in front of the back line. There are posters trying to “prove” that he doesn’t by referring to passing stats and comparing to Hamer which is a nonsense.
It’s a side to his game that lets him down.
If you want me to say “Sheaf doesn’t get caught in possession more than he should” then let me know or perhaps say it yourself.
Alright. He doesn’t give the ball away and doesn’t dither. My mistake. You win.It’s your gut feeling against empirical evidence. Think I know which I trust
Ben Sheaf is nothing like Adam Barton. Adam Barton was a lazy relented player who I can’t once remember breaking sweat.Ok. It was McFadzean’s fault.
Thing is, it was the third or fourth time that Sheaf had given the ball away in the short time that he was on. Watch the footage back.
Ben Sheaf often gives the ball away. He’s a liability. Our form improved last season when we bombed him and got Matty James in. A holding midfielder who flaps as soon as an opponent comes anywhere near is a liabity.
“we were 4-0 down”. Ok. Had we been winning or drawing the Sheaf would have cost us a point at least as he did last season.
Ben Sheaf is like Adam Barton. Some people see something in him - I don’t - it’s their opinion - they are entitled to it.
Why some people have an obsession with idolising a player who is such a calamity is beyond me.
Alright. He doesn’t give the ball away and doesn’t dither. My mistake. You win.
Think he’d decided it was Sheafs fault was sat on the bench. Sheaf was no better or worse than the rest really.Has to account for the majority of the blame for the 5th goal, but the fact you’re focusing on a guy who came on at half time and 4-0 down as your main discussion point is a little bit odd don’t you think?
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Hang on, weren’t you the one telling us over the summer that Robins was doing all he could to get out of the deal?
Apparently there is belief within the club that Sheaf could end up a centre-half, don’t shoot the messenger just repeating what I have heard.
Well he clearly is relevant. He played half of the match and was partly culpable for one of the goals. I say that as someone who rates Sheaf by the way, but he was poor last night on the whole.he’s not even relevant to last nights defeat - we conceded 4 goals without him in the team and you say pick Kelly whose worst attribute is passing
Think I’ve been pretty consistent on this today.
He’s prone to giving the ball away and that is a particular liability if he’s sitting in front of the back line. There are posters trying to “prove” that he doesn’t by referring to passing stats and comparing to Hamer which is a nonsense.
It’s a side to his game that lets him down.
If you want me to say “Sheaf doesn’t get caught in possession more than he should” then let me know or perhaps say it yourself.
I think some think because he's tall he could just move into defence. It's rubbish of course.Really? If anything Sheaf should be playing further forward. He looks to me like he struggles when played too deep.
He reminds me of Walsh in that respect.
Well he clearly is relevant. He played half of the match and was partly culpable for one of the goals. I say that as someone who rates Sheaf by the way, but he was poor last night on the whole.
I agree Sheaf's passing is better than Kelly's generally but I do feel Kelly is less prone to losing possession in dangerous areas. He tends to play more long aimless passes, which are not great but they are less likely to result in goals against us.
Exactly. May as well not bother playing it out from the back.Less likely to result in goals for us too though. We simply couldn't play the slick passing game we've been seeing at home with Kelly in that team.
Did very well against Reading. My opinionHow did he do against Reading in your view?
I agree to a large extent and was just challenging the assertion that Sheaf's performance was irrelevant to the result last night.Less likely to result in goals for us too though. We simply couldn't play the slick passing game we've been seeing at home with Kelly in that team.
I think the slick passing of late is: get, give and go to an oncoming runner. That works with the WB’s and Allen / O’Hare down the flanks and is low and direct to the middle for Wag / Vik to give and go through the middle.Less likely to result in goals for us too though. We simply couldn't play the slick passing game we've been seeing at home with Kelly in that team.
Did very well against Reading. My opinion
I’ve just checked the ratings from other posters, the theme being he did well, a bit shaky in defence, gave the ball away (these are other peoples opinions). But on the whole did very well.
However, since you’ve pointed out that my opinion is wrong, I’ve changed it:
Sheaf doesn’t dither and give the ball away very often. I’m quite wrong. His retention is Messiesque.
I’m not that defensive; I’ve had much more inane debate.Don’t need to get defensive over it, pardon the pun. I just don’t think he’s a walking disaster on the pitch and the stats support that
Cant argue with that.[QUOTE="lord_garrincha, post: 2380581, member: 1385"
I would suggest that said putrid rotten decaying corpse, dumped on the half way line, and left there for the duration of a game, would rate higher than JCS last night.
Cant argue with that.
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