Ratings vs Crawley (1 Viewer)

LJC_CCFC · Oct 4, 2014

Allsop 6 - Not much to do tbf, couldn't stop the first but perhaps a bit hesitant in reacting to the second.

Phillips/Clarke 6 - Both went forward well and weren't tested too much defensively.

Willis 6 - Relatively solid, barring the mix up from all three centre halves for the second.

Webster 6 - See Willis

Hines 6 - See Willis

Pugh 6 - Delivery wasn't always there but got up and down well and looked very tidy on the ball. Would be superb in a back four.

O'Brien 7 - Superb player, his creativity is only restricted by the system.

Fleck 7 - See O'Brien

Thomas 1 - Once again awful, passed the ball straight out of play about 10 seconds into the first half. Misplaced passes (long and short) all game and arguably should have picked up a second booking.

Jackson 8 - Very energetic and classy performance. Great first touch and change of pace, took his goal extremely well. Provide him with more chances and he'll score for fun.

McQuoid 7 - Linked up well with Jackson and had a similar energetic display.

Coulibaly 7 - Looks a typical tricky, pacy winger. Exactly what we need.

Crawley were very very poor and there for taking (especially second half). The wonder strike got them back in the game and the second was awful from a defensive point of view (I thought 5-3-2 was supposed to prevent these type of mistakes). Pressley should have dropped a centre half at half time and matched them up 4-4-2, they were there to be beaten and yet we've come away with a point. 5-3-2 doesn't make us anymore defensively stable it just restricts us going forward.

Nick · Oct 4, 2014

Coulibaly seemed to change it up a bit, more positive and willing to run at them rather than stop and pass it backwards.

Grendel · Oct 4, 2014

I don't know what game the OP was watching. Fleck was dire and O Brian fared little better.

Nick · Oct 4, 2014

Lost count of the wild shots we had

LJC_CCFC · Oct 4, 2014

Grendel said:
I don't know what game the OP was watching. Fleck was dire and O Brian fared little better.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Oct 4, 2014

Allsop 6
Phillips 6
Willis 6
Webster 6
Hines 6
Pugh 5
Fleck 5
OBrien 5
Thomas 4
Jackson 6
Mcquoid 5

Clarke 4
Coulibaly 6
Miller -

CCFC_Charlie · Oct 4, 2014

Fleck and O'Brien were awful second half, no urgency from them, practically walking around the pitch playing sideways balls when we needed to find a winner, neither looked arsed. 5 for each. 5 for the entire defence, a 6 for Allsop and then two 7s for the two strikers.

Sutty · Oct 4, 2014

Allsop - 7 - Did nothing wrong. Came out and caught well when needed.

Phillips - 6 - Looked ok going forward, caught out for both goals but was injured.
Clarke - 7 - Easily our best player in the 2nd half. Showed good intent to go foward, and linked up well with JOB until he disappeared.
Willis - 7 - Our most solid player, consistently.
Webster - 7 - Also very steady.
Hines - 7 - Ditto.
Pugh - 6 - Defended pretty well but didn't show enough going forward for me.

Fleck - 6 - Good first half but faded badly.
Thomas - 6 - The only one of our midfielders that was showing for the easy pass in the second half.
O'Brien - 5 - Needs to be smarter. Spent the second half charging up to join the strikers when we were short of passing options in midfield. At one point Thomas fired the ball 50 yards across to Clarke - who was the nearest Cov player to the ball. He's a good player but has to think more.

Jackson - 7 - Smart finish, showed decent understanding with McQuoid.
McQuoid - 8 - Worked hard, scored a poacher's goal, good assist for the second, and his hold up play was better than I expected.

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The second half was very irritating. Crawley pretty much just had 11 players on the pitch, in something resembling a 4-1-4-1. They didn't really do anything more. Their players would get involved if the ball came into their space, but there was nothing proactive going on. I've never seen a side have to do so little to come back from 2 down.

At one point we got the ball on half-way, they had all 11 behind the ball, we had only one ahead of the ball. It was like we were just kicking off. Just such a lack of ambition. It seemed like there was never an easy passing option for any of our players. Thomas was really the only one moving to receive the ball. Fleck hid behind defenders and O'Brien ran aimlessly forward. While we were certainly the dominant side in the game, we didn't really do anything at all with that dominance after half-time.

stupot07 · Oct 4, 2014

Sutty said:
Allsop - 7 - Did nothing wrong. Came out and caught well when needed.

Phillips - 6 - Looked ok going forward, caught out for both goals but was injured.
Clarke - 7 - Easily our best player in the 2nd half. Showed good intent to go foward, and linked up well with JOB until he disappeared.
Willis - 7 - Our most solid player, consistently.
Webster - 7 - Also very steady.
Hines - 7 - Ditto.
Pugh - 6 - Defended pretty well but didn't show enough going forward for me.

Fleck - 6 - Good first half but faded badly.
Thomas - 6 - The only one of our midfielders that was showing for the easy pass in the second half.
O'Brien - 5 - Needs to be smarter. Spent the second half charging up to join the strikers when we were short of passing options in midfield. At one point Thomas fired the ball 50 yards across to Clarke - who was the nearest Cov player to the ball. He's a good player but has to think more.

Jackson - 7 - Smart finish, showed decent understanding with McQuoid.
McQuoid - 8 - Worked hard, scored a poacher's goal, good assist for the second, and his hold up play was better than I expected.

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The second half was very irritating. Crawley pretty much just had 11 players on the pitch, in something resembling a 4-1-4-1. They didn't really do anything more. Their players would get involved if the ball came into their space, but there was nothing proactive going on. I've never seen a side have to do so little to come back from 2 down.

At one point we got the ball on half-way, they had all 11 behind the ball, we had only one ahead of the ball. It was like we were just kicking off. Just such a lack of ambition. It seemed like there was never an easy passing option for any of our players. Thomas was really the only one moving to receive the ball. Fleck hid behind defenders and O'Brien ran aimlessly forward. While we were certainly the dominant side in the game, we didn't really do anything at all with that dominance after half-time.

Completely agree with these markings.

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Evo1883 · Oct 4, 2014

Only willis and mcqoid deserve anything over 6

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Oct 4, 2014

Nick said:
Coulibaly seemed to change it up a bit, more positive and willing to run at them rather than stop and pass it backwards.

He's the only player in the squad who looks like he can beat a player but isn't going to get a proper look in under Pressley.

Pressley has assembled a horribly one dimensional, predictable and one paced squad.

shy_tall_knight · Oct 4, 2014

Wow there are some wildly differing views out there but that is football
Connor - awful his pass completion % is so poor
Aaron philipps - thought he looked really good until injured allowed jordan clarke to show us more of his classic wing play not and never will be a wing back created nothing despite getting a lot of the ball with the exception of his shot.
Forwards did well, centre halfs ok but 2nd goal was a defensive shambles Fleck faded second half but as for O'Brien - thought he was a headless chicken effort energy but no common sense. The bournmouth sub has to start need pace in the team

Rusty Trombone · Oct 4, 2014

7's throughout, except Fleck who I will give an 8.

Keeper couldn't do anything about the goals.

Thomas was as good as anyone else, he gave the ball away a couple of times, as did O'Brien and Fleck.

Great to see the system work so well in the first half, the system cannot be blamed for the 2 goals conceded. Needed better decision making from players in the second half, but we did well. There is hope.

shmmeee · Oct 4, 2014

Grendel said:
I don't know what game the OP was watching. Fleck was dire and O Brian fared little better.

But, don't you know who he is?

Do you realise he watches lots of football? And has a blog?

You're going to feel really silly.

letsallsingtogether · Oct 4, 2014

I give a 10 to everyone who stayed till the final whistle..

CraigSBA said:
Only willis and mcqoid deserve anything over 6

Warwickhunt · Oct 4, 2014

Coollybilly changed the shape of the game

LJC_CCFC · Oct 4, 2014

shmmeee said:
But, don't you know who he is?

Do you realise he watches lots of football? And has a blog?

You're going to feel really silly.

Otis · Oct 4, 2014

Sutty said:
Allsop - 7 - Did nothing wrong. Came out and caught well when needed.

Phillips - 6 - Looked ok going forward, caught out for both goals but was injured.
Clarke - 7 - Easily our best player in the 2nd half. Showed good intent to go foward, and linked up well with JOB until he disappeared.
Willis - 7 - Our most solid player, consistently.
Webster - 7 - Also very steady.
Hines - 7 - Ditto.
Pugh - 6 - Defended pretty well but didn't show enough going forward for me.

Fleck - 6 - Good first half but faded badly.
Thomas - 6 - The only one of our midfielders that was showing for the easy pass in the second half.
O'Brien - 5 - Needs to be smarter. Spent the second half charging up to join the strikers when we were short of passing options in midfield. At one point Thomas fired the ball 50 yards across to Clarke - who was the nearest Cov player to the ball. He's a good player but has to think more.

Jackson - 7 - Smart finish, showed decent understanding with McQuoid.
McQuoid - 8 - Worked hard, scored a poacher's goal, good assist for the second, and his hold up play was better than I expected.

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The second half was very irritating. Crawley pretty much just had 11 players on the pitch, in something resembling a 4-1-4-1. They didn't really do anything more. Their players would get involved if the ball came into their space, but there was nothing proactive going on. I've never seen a side have to do so little to come back from 2 down.

At one point we got the ball on half-way, they had all 11 behind the ball, we had only one ahead of the ball. It was like we were just kicking off. Just such a lack of ambition. It seemed like there was never an easy passing option for any of our players. Thomas was really the only one moving to receive the ball. Fleck hid behind defenders and O'Brien ran aimlessly forward. While we were certainly the dominant side in the game, we didn't really do anything at all with that dominance after half-time.

Would agree with most of that too, though would knock a point off for McQuoid, who I otherwise thought had a good game, but felt his shooting in the 2nd half was very wayward and twice he took pot shots from distance when he should have taken the ball on much further. He had the space and time to do that but decided to take a punt on long snapshots.

Sorry, but I have no respect for anyone who marked Conor Thomas as a 1. Seems clear to me that, that person was not very observant in watching the game unfold and is incredibly biased.

I actually did an experiment today and put myself on Conor Thomas Watch and I think you'll find he wasn't that bad at all.

I'm not a big fan of his, so I think I was being very fair.

Everytime he did something decent I gave him a mark and everytime he made a bad pass, or lost the ball etc., I took a mark off.

If someone just passed the ball 5 yards to him and he just passed it back I didn't mark anything at all. So, only when he did something decent or poorly.

By the time he went off it was just about an even score, so 6 I think is just about spot on.

I knew people would focus on that one dreadful pass he made right at the start of the game. Knew that would stick long in the memory. The other really bad thing he did was to not be strong enough when tussling for a ball in the first half and losing possession.

Besides that he played some good passes and one or 2 wayward ones.

As I say, he came out even and that is with my slight bias of not particularly rating the guy that highly.

I too thought O'Brien was a bit of a liability in the 2nd half and on 2 occasions he lost the ball and enabled Crawely to breakaway and counter attack that could have been very costly.

Sutty's marks I would say are pretty accurate for sure.

MOTM for me was Willis. Just the one mistake I think and besides that he tackled well and looked very, very solid.

LJC_CCFC · Oct 4, 2014

Otis said:
Would agree with most of that too, though would knock a point off for McQuoid, who I otherwise thought had a good game, felt his shooting in the 2nd half was very wayward and twice he took pot shots from distance when he should have taken the ball on much further. He had the space and time to do that but decided to take a punt on long snapshots.

Sorry, but I have no respect for anyone who marked Conor Thomas as a 1. Seems clear to me that, that person was not very observant in watching the game unfold and is incredibly biased.

I actually did an experiment today and put myself on Conor Thomas Watch and I think you'll find he wasn't that bad at all.

I'm not a big fan of his, so I think I was being very fair.

Everytime he did something decent I gave him a mark and everytime he made a bad pass, or lost the ball etc., I took a mark off.

If someone just passed the ball 5 yards to him and he just passed it back I didn't mark anything at all. So, only when he did something decent or poorly.

By the time he went off it was just about an even score, so 6 I think is just about spot on.

I knew people would focus on that one dreadful pass he made right at the start of the game. Knew that would stick long in the memory. The other really bad thing he did was to not be strong enough when tussling for a ball in the first half and losing possession.

Besides that he played some good passes and one or 2 wayward ones.

As I say, he came out even and that is with my slight bias of not particularly rating the guy that highly.

I too thought O'Brien was a bit of a liability in the 2nd half and on 2 occasions he lost the ball and enabled Crawely to breakaway and counter attack that could have been very costly.

Sutty's marks I would say are pretty accurate for sure.

MOTM for me was Willis. Just the one mistake I think and besides that he tackled well and looked very, very solid.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Conor Thomas was good today?!

Go home matey you're drunk.

Otis · Oct 4, 2014

LJC_CCFC said:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Conor Thomas was good today?!

Go home matey you're drunk.

You must be drunk, because nowhere have I said he was good.

I suggest you get the game tape and watch just Conor Thomas and you would then come up for a score of aaround 6 marks for sure.

stupot07 · Oct 4, 2014

Otis said:
Would agree with most of that too, though would knock a point off for McQuoid, who I otherwise thought had a good game, but felt his shooting in the 2nd half was very wayward and twice he took pot shots from distance when he should have taken the ball on much further. He had the space and time to do that but decided to take a punt on long snapshots.

Sorry, but I have no respect for anyone who marked Conor Thomas as a 1. Seems clear to me that, that person was not very observant in watching the game unfold and is incredibly biased.

I actually did an experiment today and put myself on Conor Thomas Watch and I think you'll find he wasn't that bad at all.

I'm not a big fan of his, so I think I was being very fair.

Everytime he did something decent I gave him a mark and everytime he made a bad pass, or lost the ball etc., I took a mark off.

If someone just passed the ball 5 yards to him and he just passed it back I didn't mark anything at all. So, only when he did something decent or poorly.

By the time he went off it was just about an even score, so 6 I think is just about spot on.

I knew people would focus on that one dreadful pass he made right at the start of the game. Knew that would stick long in the memory. The other really bad thing he did was to not be strong enough when tussling for a ball in the first half and losing possession.

Besides that he played some good passes and one or 2 wayward ones.

As I say, he came out even and that is with my slight bias of not particularly rating the guy that highly.

I too thought O'Brien was a bit of a liability in the 2nd half and on 2 occasions he lost the ball and enabled Crawely to breakaway and counter attack that could have been very costly.

Sutty's marks I would say are pretty accurate for sure.

MOTM for me was Willis. Just the one mistake I think and besides that he tackled well and looked very, very solid.

Completely agree Otis and I bet his pass completion % is no worse than fleck or o'brien's to day. Quite funny because O'brien did the same shit pass to no one about 15 mins later and blames phillips for not making the run!!

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stupot07 · Oct 4, 2014

Otis said:
You must be drunk, because nowhere have I said he was good.

I suggest you get the game tape and watch just Conor Thomas and you would then come up for a score of aaround 6 marks for sure.

No he wouldn't, he could score a hatrick, then go in goal for the injured keeper save a last minute penalty to win the game he still wouldn't give him any more than 2.

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LJC_CCFC · Oct 4, 2014

Otis said:
You must be drunk, because nowhere have I said he was good.

I suggest you get the game tape and watch just Conor Thomas and you would then come up for a score of aaround 6 marks for sure.

He played several misplaced passes, attempted many a long diagonal ball that failed and was chasing Crawley shadows in midfield (especially first half). He didn't protect the back five or attempt to break up the play and he certainly offered nothing positive going forward. It was no surprise that when Coulibaly came on for him we livened up for the last ten. I would literally have any other central midfielder in this division over Thomas. Nothing personal against the boy as he puts in the effort, he's just a talentless waste of space. Never have I come away from a game thinking 'Thomas bossed it today'

LJC_CCFC · Oct 4, 2014

stupot07 said:
No he wouldn't, he could score a hatrick, then go in goal for the injured keeper save a last minute penalty to win the game he still wouldn't give him any more than 2.

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If he played well I'd rate him accordingly.

Otis · Oct 4, 2014

LJC_CCFC said:
He played several misplaced passes, attempted many a long diagonal ball that failed and was chasing Crawley shadows in midfield (especially first half). He didn't protect the back five or attempt to break up the play and he certainly offered nothing positive going forward. It was no surprise that when Coulibaly came on for him we livened up for the last ten. I would literally have any other central midfielder in this division over Thomas. Nothing personal against the boy as he puts in the effort, he's just a talentless waste of place. Never have I come away from a game thinking 'Thomas bossed it today'

I wouldn't disagree with you on that part.

He did do some good stuff today though, amongst the poor stuff. You must surely have seen that mustn't you?

A score of 1 is for someone who has done nothing right all game long and he did a number of things right. Don't think anyone could deny that.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Oct 4, 2014

Otis said:
Would agree with most of that too, though would knock a point off for McQuoid, who I otherwise thought had a good game, but felt his shooting in the 2nd half was very wayward and twice he took pot shots from distance when he should have taken the ball on much further. He had the space and time to do that but decided to take a punt on long snapshots.

Sorry, but I have no respect for anyone who marked Conor Thomas as a 1. Seems clear to me that, that person was not very observant in watching the game unfold and is incredibly biased.

I actually did an experiment today and put myself on Conor Thomas Watch and I think you'll find he wasn't that bad at all.

I'm not a big fan of his, so I think I was being very fair.

Everytime he did something decent I gave him a mark and everytime he made a bad pass, or lost the ball etc., I took a mark off.

If someone just passed the ball 5 yards to him and he just passed it back I didn't mark anything at all. So, only when he did something decent or poorly.

By the time he went off it was just about an even score, so 6 I think is just about spot on.

I knew people would focus on that one dreadful pass he made right at the start of the game. Knew that would stick long in the memory. The other really bad thing he did was to not be strong enough when tussling for a ball in the first half and losing possession.

Besides that he played some good passes and one or 2 wayward ones.

As I say, he came out even and that is with my slight bias of not particularly rating the guy that highly.

I too thought O'Brien was a bit of a liability in the 2nd half and on 2 occasions he lost the ball and enabled Crawely to breakaway and counter attack that could have been very costly.

Sutty's marks I would say are pretty accurate for sure.

MOTM for me was Willis. Just the one mistake I think and besides that he tackled well and looked very, very solid.

I think your method for marking the player is flawed, if you applied the same method to each one of our players today you'd probably come out with 9s, 10s and maybe even 10+ for half the the team which is obviously a load of bull.

Take Willis for example, start at say 6 at the beginning of the match. You said he made only one mistake so -1 for that, add on a point for everytime he did something good and your probably looking at 10+ using your marking method.

He wasn't a 1 but he was poor but so was the rest of the team imo

LJC_CCFC · Oct 4, 2014

Otis said:
I wouldn't disagree with you on that part.

He did do some good stuff today though, amongst the poor stuff. You must surely have seen that mustn't you?

A score of 1 is for someone who has done nothing right all game long and he did a number of things right. Don't think anyone could deny that.

Obviously a 1 is a tad ridiculous, perhaps a 4 would be more appropriate. For me however once you deem a player to be a 5 or lower, the rating between 1 and 5 doesn't matter as they've performed well below par. I'm finding it hard to remember a stand out moment from him tbh, I suppose he played the ball left and right over 5 yards quite well.

Otis · Oct 4, 2014

CCFC said:
I think your method for marking the player is flawed, if you applied the same method to each one of our players today you'd probably come out with 9s, 10s and maybe even 10+ for half the the team which is obviously a load of bull.

Take Willis for example, start at say 6 at the beginning of the match. You said he made only one mistake so -1 for that, add on a point for everytime he did something good and your probably looking at 10+ using your marking method.

He wasn't a 1 but he was poor but so was the rest of the team imo

Why would you start with 6 at the beginning of the match? You start with 0. And besides I didn't give a score, I just noted when he did a thing right and when he did a thing wrong.

Had no bearing at all on a rating score for the match. I just wanted to see if he did as many good things as bad things.

stupot07 · Oct 4, 2014

LJC_CCFC said:
Obviously a 1 is a tad ridiculous, perhaps a 4 would be more appropriate. For me however once you deem a player to be a 5 or lower, the rating between 1 and 5 doesn't matter as they've performed well below par. I'm finding it hard to remember a stand out moment from him tbh, I suppose he played the ball left and right over 5 yards quite well.

But players don't have to have a 'stand out moment' and if there was one it was the switch he played blind and on the turn in the first half to fleck.

And there's nothing wrong with passing 5 yards, it's called retaining possession, and that's the job Pressley obviously wants him to do. He wasn't a super star but was a solid 6 for me. His pass completion rate was no worse than flecks or o'brien's.

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Otis · Oct 4, 2014

LJC_CCFC said:
Obviously a 1 is a tad ridiculous, perhaps a 4 would be more appropriate. For me however once you deem a player to be a 5 or lower, the rating between 1 and 5 doesn't matter as they've performed well below par. I'm finding it hard to remember a stand out moment from him tbh, I suppose he played the ball left and right over 5 yards quite well.

Well I remember at least 2 30-40 yard passes across the field that went directly to the man.

As I said, when someone passed it to him 5 yards and he just passed it on 5 yards I didn't count that as something good he had done, I just ignored it, though like Stu says, that could be seen as a positive dependant on how it panned out.

If he played a longer pass that got us moving, then I marked that as a positive. When he lost possession, a negative.

Over the game it was just about equal. Much easier though the remember mistakes isn't it.

stupot07 · Oct 4, 2014

Otis said:
Well I remember at least 2 30-40 yard passes across the field that went directly to the man.

As I said, when someone passed it to him 5 yards and he just passed it on 5 yards I didn't count that as something good he had done, I just ignored it. If he played a longer pass that got us moving, then I marked that as a positive. When he lost possession, a negative.

Over the game it was just about equal. Much easier though the remember mistakes isn't it.

Anyone would think fleck and o'brien don't pass it 5 yards.

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Otis · Oct 4, 2014

stupot07 said:
But players don't have to have a 'stand out moment' and if there was one it was the switch he played blind and on the turn in the first half to fleck.

And there's nothing wrong with passing 5 yards, it's called retaining possession, and that's the job Pressley obviously wants him to do. He wasn't a super star but was a solid 6 for me. His pass completion rate was no worse than flecks or o'brien's.

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Would love to see the pass completion rates. I think any anti Thomas poster would be quite surprised.

Otis · Oct 4, 2014

stupot07 said:
Anyone would think fleck and o'brien don't pass it 5 yards.

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And that's what happens with scapegoats. You favourite players are allowed to get away with exactly the same mistakes, but when it is your scapegoat you are immediately on his back.

I defend the bloke and I'm not even his biggest fan.

Del Boy 82 · Oct 4, 2014

Allsop 6 - one of his better games, although hardly troubled.
Phillips 6 - started well an able to get forward well. Unlucky with injury again when getting his 1st team chance.
Willis 6 - mr consistent. Hardly put a foot wrong.
Webster 6 - usual reliable Webster performance.
Hines 6 - did well, will be dropped for reda tho.
Pugh 6 - good moments in the 1st half, lacking offensively in the 2nd
Fleck 6 - fairly good opening 30 mins, creative an energetic but like rest of midfield didn't show for the 2nd an too many stray balls yet again.
OBrien 6 - same as fleck, seemed ineffective in the 2nd half sitting too deep in midfield to try get the going. Good 1st half tho.
Thomas 3 - don't like slating players however was not at it at all today. Struggling to remember anything positive about his performance.
Jackson 6 - big work rate in the 1st an deserved his goal, long balls in the 2nd half don't suit so starved of many more chances
Mcquoid 6 - again fared well in the 1st, took a poachers goal. Long balls in the 2nd again stopped anymore chances.

Clarke 3 - did not do well at all for me today, did not show any ability to take on any player an beat him, terrible passing also.
Coulibaly 6 - showed a bit of fair an ability but little time an team mates willing to help him turn the game.
Miller 5 - too late to impact.

Overall started very well with the hi press an hi tempo keeping the Crawley team deep in their own half, with some good attacks an chances then the usual defensive lapse an well taken 1st Crawley goal. 2nd half was dire, sitting deep, no shape movement in midfield, giving the strikers little to work with. No tempo to them an too many long balls when we had the beating of the Crawley team for the 1st 30 mins, replicating that would of clinched 3pts. 2 pts thrown away against a poor Crawley side.

Otis · Oct 4, 2014

stupot07 said:
Anyone would think fleck and o'brien don't pass it 5 yards.

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Yep, agree.

P.S. You might also want to clear out your mailbox.

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