Fair point. However I’m guessing Southgate’s thinking tonight was if we went for it and didn’t take the chances (we didn’t take the few we had tonight), we could’ve opened ourselves up to concede and lose. That point means that we will have to get hammered (4-0 I think) by Wales to get eliminated. We obviously want to avoid Holland but given the situation in that group they could finish 1st, 2nd or even 3rd if they properly mess up.Those who risk nothing, do nothing, achieve nothing, become nothing
Notice this at the bottom of CJ's posts - can't help but think of Southgate (frustrates me)
That is exactly the mindset that cost us in the world cup and euros. The fear of loosing.Fair point. However I’m guessing Southgate’s thinking tonight was if we went for it and didn’t take the chances (we didn’t take the few we had tonight), we could’ve opened ourselves up to concede and lose. That point means that we will have to get hammered (4-0 I think) by Wales to get eliminated. We obviously want to avoid Holland but given the situation in that group they could finish 1st, 2nd or even 3rd if they properly mess up.
Fair point. However I’m guessing Southgate’s thinking tonight was if we went for it and didn’t take the chances (we didn’t take the few we had tonight), we could’ve opened ourselves up to concede and lose. That point means that we will have to get hammered (4-0 I think) by Wales to get eliminated. We obviously want to avoid Holland but given the situation in that group they could finish 1st, 2nd or even 3rd if they properly mess up.
What’s happening with all these nice big stadiums when the World Cup is over?
A few are being completely taken apart, most are being halved in capacity.
Not quite. But only one is staying at full capacity after the tournament.Beheaded ?
It's as bad as when we lost to Scotland in the Euros. Now the USA only have to win there last game while our progress looks unlikely unless we can avoid a 4-0 defeat to that really dangerous Wales team.Still can’t believe we lost last night, I’m still so upset
I can’t bear it! Just send them home already and sack Southgate now, please!In all seriousness I could see Wales holding us to a draw and Iran beating USA and topping the group.
I can’t bear it! Just send them home already and sack Southgate now, please!
We’ve already lost both games and Southgate - who has a worse track record at tournaments than any England manager I can remember - won’t be able to recover against better opposition. The worst case scenario you describe is just too horrible to contemplate - we’re a global embarrassment and it’s all that anyone at this World Cup is talking about.You don’t think that’s a possibility?
Not sure what the stats are for his sub appearance against Iran, but it seemed to me that almost every touch he had was poor, and passing v poor. And that was when we were hammering them.Phil Foden is a genuine world class talent and he was left on the bench all game.
And the position it leaves us in the table too.Still can’t believe we lost last night, I’m still so upset
This is exactly how I'm calling it.In all seriousness I could see Wales holding us to a draw and Iran beating USA and topping the group.
We'll beat Wales, they're awful.
But we should have beaten USA last night giving us a chance to rest a few players against Wales and give a run out to a few squad members.
We’ve already lost both games and Southgate - who has a worse track record at tournaments than any England manager I can remember - won’t be able to recover against better opposition. The worst case scenario you describe is just too horrible to contemplate - we’re a global embarrassment and it’s all that anyone at this World Cup is talking about.
World Cups have always been a good opportunity for relative unknowns to showcase their skills, the football world is getting smaller and unknowns don't exist too much anymore but I think Asia is still relatively untapped compared to most. Some of these Arab players look pretty decent and could see one or two moving to Europe after this tournament.
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Don't get me wrong its hard to judge from watching one off matches from the WC I know but most of these Saudis look to me like they could fit in at Championship level and not look out of place. I particularly like that most of them seem quite aggressive in their play style, that would help immediately.Im not watching but could any do a job for us? I notice I seem to get matched with a lot of Arab teams playing fifa so I’m guessing they’re around our level.
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