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Nick

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  • Nov 23, 2022
  • #1,506
Johnnythespider said:
Yes just checked, he has also been suspended for match fixing in the past
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How on earth does he get to ref at a world cup?
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Nov 23, 2022
  • #1,507
Nick said:
How on earth does he get to ref at a world cup?
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To be fair, it was for awarding us a penalty in the home game against Notts County in the first leg of the play off.
 

Otis

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  • Nov 24, 2022
  • #1,508
Found just the thing for Canada's strikers.






 
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Evo1883

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  • Nov 24, 2022
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Might be just me but I'm pretty sure Cameroon, Nigeria, ivory Coast were all much better teams than they are today when I was younger?
 
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TomRad85

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  • Nov 24, 2022
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Evo1883 said:
Might be just me but I'm pretty sure Cameroon, Nigeria, ivory Coast were all much better teams than they are today when I was younger?
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Most teams were mate, I've been saying for ages the overall standard of football is down and I think it becomes blindingly obvious at international level.

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Evo1883

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  • Nov 24, 2022
  • #1,511
With Africa, now don't shoot me for it , is it more to do with the fact that because of migration , the best African players now play for European countries through birth right ?
France being an example

Excuse my ignorance if I'm wrong
 
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Otis

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  • Nov 24, 2022
  • #1,512
TomRad85 said:
Most teams were mate, I've been saying for ages the overall standard of football is down and I think it becomes blindingly obvious at international level.

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The trickery is better I think. The technical ability. But there's less space on the pitch because players are much more athletic, so can cover so much more ground and it can make games very scrappy a lot of the time.
 
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Otis

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  • Nov 24, 2022
  • #1,513
Evo1883 said:
With Africa, now don't shoot me for it , is it more to do with the fact that because of migration , the best African players now play for European countries through birth right ?
France being an example

Excuse my ignorance if I'm wrong
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Fair point.
 
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AOM

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  • Nov 24, 2022
  • #1,514
Evo1883 said:
Might be just me but I'm pretty sure Cameroon, Nigeria, ivory Coast were all much better teams than they are today when I was younger?
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Evo1883

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  • Nov 24, 2022
  • #1,515
AOM said:
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I mean thats a pretty good side isn't it
 
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Paul Anthony

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  • Nov 24, 2022
  • #1,516
The player I've been most disappointed with so far has been the one whose been scoring for fun in the last few major International tournaments.

Own Goals just hasn't turned up yet. Must be carrying a knock....
 

TomRad85

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  • Nov 24, 2022
  • #1,517
Otis said:
The trickery is better I think. The technical ability. But there's less space on the pitch because players are much more athletic, so can cover so much more ground and it can make games very scrappy a lot of the time.
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I'm not sure i'd agree the technical ability is up from say, 20 years ago. In fact in many cases i'd say discipline is favoured over individual flair.
 

TomRad85

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  • Nov 24, 2022
  • #1,518
Wank worthy
 

Evo1883

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  • Nov 24, 2022
  • #1,519
TomRad85 said:
Wank worthy
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Deleted it then you replied

Here
 
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TomRad85

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  • Nov 24, 2022
  • #1,520
Evo1883 said:
Deleted it then you replied

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Thanks mate, now i look like i'm having a no context wank over this Forum.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Nov 24, 2022
  • #1,521
TomRad85 said:
Thanks mate, now i look like i'm having a no context wank over this Forum.
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And in regards to those sides , I think Brazil were better in 2002 and France in 2000
 
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Otis

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  • Nov 24, 2022
  • #1,522
TomRad85 said:
I'm not sure i'd agree the technical ability is up from say, 20 years ago. In fact in many cases i'd say discipline is favoured over individual flair.
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Maybe.
 

TomRad85

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  • Nov 24, 2022
  • #1,523
Evo1883 said:
And in regards to those sides , I think Brazil were better in 2002 and France in 2000
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Agree, I think you'd struggle to think of a better international front 3 than Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Rivaldo.

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SBT

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  • Nov 24, 2022
  • #1,524
Presented without comment

 

Liquid Gold

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  • Nov 24, 2022
  • #1,525
I think a lot of it has to do with youth prospects being stuck in academies with no pathways to the first team.

I the modern era Ronaldo would be sat in a big team's youth set up with the occasional loan and then end up sold on without having developed as much. There is absolutely no chance he would have had two seasons of mens football aged 17-19 at PSV to find his feet.

That's just the superstars too, there must be loads of players who could have developed into decent international players for mid-ranking countries who just sat in the Chelsea academy until they turned 25.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Nov 24, 2022
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Liquid Gold said:
I think a lot of it has to do with youth prospects being stuck in academies with no pathways to the first team.

I the modern era Ronaldo would be sat in a big team's youth set up with the occasional loan and then end up sold on without having developed as much. There is absolutely no chance he would have had two seasons of mens football aged 17-19 at PSV to find his feet.

That's just the superstars too, there must be loads of players who could have developed into decent international players for mid-ranking countries who just sat in the Chelsea academy until they turned 25.
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Clubs collecting players like football stickers is a massive problem.

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  • Nov 24, 2022
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TomRad85 said:
Most teams were mate, I've been saying for ages the overall standard of football is down and I think it becomes blindingly obvious at international level.

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I don't agree and I suspect Evo is saying African teams seem weaker compared to other countries than in the past.

Players now are so much stronger, faster and technically adept. It doesn't necessarily mean games are more entertaining but teams now would easily beat their equivalents of 10 or 20 years ago.
 
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AOM

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  • Nov 24, 2022
  • #1,528
Evo1883 said:
I mean thats a pretty good side isn't it
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Great side! Think they underachieved in any of the World Cups they appeared in though.
Probably similar to England at the time. Great players, but not a team
 

TomRad85

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  • Nov 24, 2022
  • #1,529
Deleted member 9744 said:
I don't agree and I suspect Evo is saying African teams seem weaker compared to other countries than in the past.

Players now are so much stronger, faster and technically adept. It doesn't necessarily mean games are more entertaining but teams now would easily beat their equivalents of 10 or 20 years ago.
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Than 10 or 20 years ago? I really don't agree.. many players were playing 10 years ago so that makes no sense at all. If you go back 30 plus years then yes definitely.

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SBT

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  • Nov 24, 2022
  • #1,530
TomRad85 said:
Than 10 or 20 years ago? I really don't agree.. many players were playing 10 years ago so that makes no sense at all. If you go back 30 plus years then yes definitely.

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Why would track and field athletes/swimmers/cyclists etc all be consistently getting faster and stronger, while footballers were all getting slower and weaker?
 

TomRad85

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  • Nov 24, 2022
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Go back and look at our team at the turn of the millennium. Keane, Hadji, McAllister... these were exceptional players, to suggest they perhaps wouldn't match up against prem players at a mediocre prem club now is nonsense... borderline insulting actually.

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TomRad85

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  • Nov 24, 2022
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SBT said:
Why would track and field athletes/swimmers/cyclists etc all be consistently getting faster and stronger, while footballers were all getting slower and weaker?
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So was Messi good 10 years ago or not, I'm confused? Is he better now even?

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Nick

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  • Nov 24, 2022
  • #1,533
There seems to be less screamers of goals in this world cup.

Nobody is banging a Tony Yeboah in off the bar from a volley.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Nov 24, 2022
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The Arsenal invincibles were 20 years ago. Are we suggesting Henry, Vieira, Pires, Cole, Ljungberg weren't fit or fast? I need to watch it back, presumably Henry looks like a 3 legged dog compared to all the strikers breaking the sound barrier these days.

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Evo1883

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  • Nov 24, 2022
  • #1,535
TomRad85 said:
The Arsenal invincibles were 20 years ago. Are we suggesting Henry, Vieira, Pires, Cole, Ljungberg weren't fit or fast? I need to watch it back, presumably Henry looks like a 3 legged dog compared to all the strikers breaking the sound barrier these days.

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I mean , Messi still plays today he was playing in 2004 , a year after , its not that different in speed
 
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Nick

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  • Nov 24, 2022
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TomRad85 said:
The Arsenal invincibles were 20 years ago. Are we suggesting Henry, Vieira, Pires, Cole, Ljungberg weren't fit or fast? I need to watch it back, presumably Henry looks like a 3 legged dog compared to all the strikers breaking the sound barrier these days.

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Henry is fitter now, Ljunberg was fitter with hair.
 
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SBT

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  • Nov 24, 2022
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TomRad85 said:
So was Messi good 10 years ago or not, I'm confused? Is he better now even?

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Yeah he was great, but that's not what we're talking about.

To say that incremental advances in sports science have for some reason bypassed football players doesn't make sense to me. As someone else said, players becoming more healthy and technically gifted might not always make for a more entertaining product (baseball is going through a mini-crisis for this very reason) but it does give today's players an edge compared to players of the same natural ability 10/20 years ago. Messi/the Arsenal Invincibles/Robbie Keane were great back then, but would have ended up even better if they'd developed during 2022 rather than 2002.
 

Evo1883

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  • Nov 24, 2022
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Deleted member 9744 said:
I don't agree and I suspect Evo is saying African teams seem weaker compared to other countries than in the past.

Players now are so much stronger, faster and technically adept. It doesn't necessarily mean games are more entertaining but teams now would easily beat their equivalents of 10 or 20 years ago.
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I don't think that actually mate sorry , Ronaldo nazario would absolutely wreck the world's best defenders today .

If they are faster , it's not by too much overall
 
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TomRad85

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  • Nov 24, 2022
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Evo1883 said:
I mean , Messi still plays today he was playing in 2004 , a year after , its not that different in speed
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This was my point, it makes no sense.

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Nick

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  • Nov 24, 2022
  • #1,540
Evo1883 said:
I don't think that actually mate sorry , Ronaldo nazario would absolutely wreck the world's best defenders today .

If they are faster , it's not by too much overall
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I think the original Ronaldo was more like Haaland which is why defenders now don't know what to do with him.
 
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