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Otis · Aug 3, 2013

Remember when he said there were things about Sisu and their business practices we wouldn't believe, but that he couldn't talk about it?

Well now the lease has been broken and the two entities are separated, can he now I wonder?

Just wondering if people will now start speaking freely and spilling the beans.

Guess it all depends on whether there is still any chance that the club could yet come to some agreement to play at the Rioch this season or not.

All ties broken completely, then people should come out and speak their minds and put some meat on the bones to the accusations.

SonOfSnoz · Aug 3, 2013

No doubt confidentiality clauses have been signed!
When will people realise, Sisu are very on the ball when it comes to legals!

blueflint · Aug 3, 2013

true people should speak their minds but also there could be legal actions taken so could all be sub judicial or whatever the word is

SonOfSnoz · Aug 3, 2013

Wouldn't it be great if we could see the whole organisational for CCFC!
Also the books pre Sisu & now for CCFC.

Grendel · Aug 3, 2013

SonOfSnoz said:
No doubt confidentiality clauses have been signed!
When will people realise, Sisu are very on the ball when it comes to legals!

No clauses will have been signed. Why would ACL sign them?

SonOfSnoz · Aug 3, 2013

Well let's hear from PWK then

Otis · Aug 3, 2013

Grendel said:
No clauses will have been signed. Why would ACL sign them?

That's what I was thinking.

There's the case against the council, but PWKH is from Higgs.

olderskyblue · Aug 3, 2013

I would imagine we will hear about them once ACL have gone legal, and not before.

Bill Glazier · Aug 3, 2013

I doubt any clauses have been signed Snoz - it's definitely time to tell all so we can know the truth.

torchomatic · Aug 3, 2013

Doubt it Otis. The lease has broken and they are now free of each other. Yet, they still desperately need each other to survive.

jesus-wept · Aug 3, 2013

Higgs voted for the cva an expert said probably as it is charity money had no choice

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 3, 2013

'The truth' can only be heard if two sides are both heard. Unfortunately it then becomes a very tedious slanging match.

I'd rather, if nobody wants to dig back to when Derrick Robins found his shares sold to the very person he expressly didn't want them sold to, focus on the future.

And the future should be pushing each side to talk to the other, not to encourage more mud slinging.

ajsccfc · Aug 3, 2013

I briefly caught someone on the radio yesterday saying that the Higgs Centre voted for the CVA, but the Higgs charity against. Not sure how accurate that is.

Otis · Aug 3, 2013

torchomatic said:
Doubt it Otis. The lease has broken and they are now free of each other. Yet, they still desperately need each other to survive.

Well I hope that is the case. I am hoping above hope that now all the CVA nonsense is out of the picture a deal can still be done to play at the Ricoh.

bigfatronssba · Aug 3, 2013

The truth needs to come out though.

In the years to come we need to be able to look back and know who did what in the destruction of our club.

ajsccfc · Aug 3, 2013

Someone from ACL was saying that they hoped Appleton would come back with newer terms to get a deal done, but if we've actually been deducted the points already that might have passed.

Have we lost the points already or is it just confirmation of 'when liquidated, -10'?

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 3, 2013

bigfatronssba said:
The truth needs to come out though.

In the years to come we need to be able to look back and know who did what in the destruction of our club.

The truth requires big legal bills though.

Are the winners prepared to foot them, as chances are the losers will find themselves in no position to pay their costs after all.

and if the winners aren't prepared to foot them, are we as fans prepared to underwrite them?

Even if this meant, potentially, SISU coming out as 'winners' in such cases?

What happens if court cases result in no winners, only losers?

olderskyblue · Aug 3, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
The truth requires big legal bills though.

Are the winners prepared to foot them, as chances are the losers will find themselves in no position to pay their costs after all.

and if the winners aren't prepared to foot them, are we as fans prepared to underwrite them?

Even if this meant, potentially, SISU coming out as 'winners' in such cases?

ACL have lost over £500k by not signing the CVA. I would have thought legal action is their only answer now, otherwise why did they do it?

Otis · Aug 3, 2013

ajsccfc said:
Someone from ACL was saying that they hoped Appleton would come back with newer terms to get a deal done, but if we've actually been deducted the points already that might have passed.

Have we lost the points already or is it just confirmation of 'when liquidated, -10'?

Immediately I believe.

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 3, 2013

ajsccfc said:
Someone from ACL was saying that they hoped Appleton would come back with newer terms to get a deal done, but if we've actually been deducted the points already that might have passed.

Have we lost the points already or is it just confirmation of 'when liquidated, -10'?

Liquidation enables an entirely new lease agreement to be drawn up with Otium/Holdings-at least that's what I'm clutching to.

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 3, 2013

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Liquidation enables an entirely new lease agreement to be drawn up with Otium/Holdings-at least that's what I'm clutching to.

And that's where pressure and the discourse should now be focussed.

But where is this call for talks from the Trust?

Where are the fans rising up to repeat the message of a successful march that they want both sides to talk to one another to make sure Coventry City remains in Coventry?

Instead there's a bunch of divisive bickering, and a desire to play the blame game.

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 3, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
And that's where pressure and the discourse should now be focussed.

But where is this call for talks from the Trust?

Where are the fans rising up to repeat the message of a successful march that they want both sides to talk to one another to make sure Coventry City remains in Coventry?

Instead there's a bunch of divisive bickering, and a desire to play the blame game.

There's now no excuse for ACL to not go straight to TF and put forward a deal and there is equally no excuse for TF or SISU to bluntly reject it. The idea put forward by OSB would in theory work very well for both sides and represents a good starting point.

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 3, 2013

Brighton Sky Blue said:
There's now no excuse for ACL to not go straight to TF and put forward a deal and there is equally no excuse for TF or SISU to bluntly reject it. The idea put forward by OSB would in theory work very well for both sides and represents a good starting point.

Fisher has said he'd like to talk to them, so now's the time to make sure he sticks to that, and make sure the other side agree to talk also.

Instead we're sat here on a sunny Saturday morning deciding who's right and wrong in a process of financial law.

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 3, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
Fisher has said he'd like to talk to them, so now's the time to make sure he sticks to that, and make sure the other side agree to talk also.

Instead we're sat here on a sunny Saturday morning deciding who's right and wrong in a process of financial law.

I'm more keen to see if we can rescue this third Test.

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 3, 2013

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I'm more keen to see if we can rescue this third Test.

I went to the Cheltenham festival the other week. Baking hot, nearly roasted alive in my seat...

But nice to see games played on the same backdrop they were when WG Grace was playing. Something about tradition and the past that trumps financial law every time.

I'll say this for the current situation, I've been to places, and seen sports that I hadn't up to now, and it's been quite fun!

SkyBlueScottie · Aug 3, 2013

Don't want to hear it. Both sides now have a clear slate, and need to sit down and get the situation resolved ASAP.

spwaverley4916 · Aug 3, 2013

IMO - SISU will now try to starve ACL out of the Ricoh by continuing to play at Northampton, the only way that we will see the Sky Blues back at the Ricoh is if SISU get an agreement of sale from ACL. ( i believe this has been their goal from the start)

Bennets Afro · Aug 3, 2013

What about now the lease is broken ACL sell the Ricoh to someone like Haskell who can redevelop the surrounding area and make the Ricoh profitable without the football team

Where would that leave SISU and there plans to bankrupt ACL????

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 3, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
I went to the Cheltenham festival the other week. Baking hot, nearly roasted alive in my seat...

But nice to see games played on the same backdrop they were when WG Grace was playing. Something about tradition and the past that trumps financial law every time.

I'll say this for the current situation, I've been to places, and seen sports that I hadn't up to now, and it's been quite fun!

Didn't used to be hugely into cricket but over the last few years have gotten quite into it. Plus the Bears are probably the only chance of sporting success for the region every year!

jesus-wept · Aug 3, 2013

Don't know the rules regarding investigating this cva. I think it is set up by the courts so exactly who investigates and who pays not sure, I assume the court appoints and pays. Anyone out there know.

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 3, 2013

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Didn't used to be hugely into cricket but over the last few years have gotten quite into it. Plus the Bears are probably the only chance of sporting success for the region every year!

Coventry Bees too.

Although was interested to see their owner complaining that his bidget was lower, now that the team had to pay rent, and got no cash from the pies.

History repeating itself?

Struggling for others as I don't count the ice hockey, given it's a franchise...

ajsccfc · Aug 3, 2013

I still can't get into cricket. I can watch it happily, but it doesn't grab me.

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 3, 2013

ajsccfc said:
I still can't get into cricket. I can watch it happily, but it doesn't grab me.

That's the appeal though, it's about the event rather than the game.

Tiome slows, life becomes more peaceful.

CarpyCov84 · Aug 3, 2013

Bottom Line - ACL need SISU now they have CCFC virtually sewn up & SISU need ACL because as we all know they can't survive at Northampton with no fans a deal surely has to come in the coming weeks

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 3, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
Coventry Bees too.

Although was interested to see their owner complaining that his bidget was lower, now that the team had to pay rent, and got no cash from the pies.

History repeating itself?

Struggling for others as I don't count the ice hockey, given it's a franchise...

Bees seemed to keep getting shafted by the speedway authorities every time I had a look at how they were doing. Warwickshire usually always good to follow in at least one of the formats and it was good seeing them get the trophy last year after getting so close the year before. CWR gets a bit of stick for covering them when there's City phone ins on but to be honest, it's refreshing to have a successful club around regardless of what sport it is.

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