price put on keoghs head - £1m (8 Viewers)

shmmeee said:

Fixed that for you. Let's keep it accurate.

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What, like the rent? :facepalm:

There you go again nonleagueherewecome....I stated Wood was a better technical player. You seem to have the uncanny ability to read something and interpret it differently. How do you do that? I'm also aware he was a CB and I did not say he was not did I?
I also never mentioned him being our best player or not or indeed by any country mile??

You are like the proverbial party goer standing in a group and finishing everyone else's sentences and getting that wrong!

Read a few books and perhaps you will begin to understand the English language better given time. :facepalm:

Paxman II said:

There you go again nonleagueherewecome....I stated Wood was a better technical player. You seem to have the uncanny ability to read something and interpret it differently. How do you do that? I'm also aware he was a CB and I did not say he was not did I?
I also never mentioned him being our best player or not or indeed by any country mile??

You are like the proverbial party goer standing in a group and finishing everyone else's sentences and getting that wrong!

Read a few books and perhaps you will begin to understand the English language better given time. :facepalm:

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Wood is a far superior centre half than both Cranie and Keogh. One of Thorns failings was the ridiculous insistance of pairing Cranie and Keogh at all costs even if that meant exposing Christie and having McPake and Wood on the bench

Jimmy Hill's Chin said:

Does anyone honestly believe this £1million will be reinvested in players. SISU will do what they have always done - pocket most of the money and bring in cheap loanees to replace experienced and talented professionals.

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its our fault for not buying a season ticket apparently...apologies to all those real fans that have.

kduffy said:

Wood is a far superior centre half than both Cranie and Keogh. One of Thorns failings was the ridiculous insistance of pairing Cranie and Keogh at all costs even if that meant exposing Christie and having McPake and Wood on the bench

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I disagree that Wood is far superior to both, although I agree about Christie. Should have played Keogh/Cranie at full back with one of Mcpake, Wood, Cameron coming into the side.

CCFC said:

I disagree that Wood is far superior to both, although I agree about Christie. Should have played Keogh/Cranie at full back with one of Mcpake, Wood, Cameron coming into the side.

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Whatever the merits the fact is when Cranie Mcpake wood and Keogh were all fit they should have all played. It was very unfair to subject Christie to as many games as he did and even worse with the stupid formation that exposed them time and time again in the first half of the season.
Clive Platts comments regarding tactics were slot on. NLHWC will conveniently overlook them as he persists in his worship of the Clueless One. The truth is whoever the owners are with him in charge non league is where we will be. Ironically with anyone but sisu in charge we would be free of him.

kduffy said:

Wood is a far superior centre half than both Cranie and Keogh. One of Thorns failings was the ridiculous insistance of pairing Cranie and Keogh at all costs even if that meant exposing Christie and having McPake and Wood on the bench

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So wood is a far superior player to our CB who was by far our player of the season, who is also our most valuable player that is wanted by teams above us including Cardiff who keep signing our best players?

So why are Prem sides not after Wood? Why at least are Champ sides not after him?

kduffy said:

Whatever the merits the fact is when Cranie Mcpake wood and Keogh were all fit they should have all played. It was very unfair to subject Christie to as many games as he did and even worse with the stupid formation that exposed them time and time again in the first half of the season.
Clive Platts comments regarding tactics were slot on. NLHWC will conveniently overlook them as he persists in his worship of the Clueless One. The truth is whoever the owners are with him in charge non league is where we will be. Ironically with anyone but sisu in charge we would be free of him.

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I totally agree on Christie, I think it was ridiculous that he played so much when Cranie, Keogh, Cameron and Wood were all available.

I think you are exaggerating/over reacting about the non league comment though

CCFC said:

I totally agree on Christie, I think it was ridiculous that he played so much when Cranie, Keogh, Cameron and Wood were all available.

I think you are exaggerating/over reacting about the non league comment though

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Me exaggerate? Never.

Astute said:

So wood is a far superior player to our CB who was by far our player of the season, who is also our most valuable player that is wanted by teams above us including Cardiff who keep signing our best players?

So why are Prem sides not after Wood? Why at least are Champ sides not after him?

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Because he's injured.

kduffy said:

Because he's injured.

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And how much was he injured when you say he should have played? How much was he not at full fitness when you say he should have played?

You say he is a far superior player to Keogh. That tells me how much you know. That would have made him one of the best defenders if not the best in the championship.

Astute said:

And how much was he injured when you say he should have played? How much was he not at full fitness when you say he should have played?

You say he is a far superior player to Keogh. That tells me how much you know. That would have made him one of the best defenders if not the best in the championship.

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Actually I didn't. I said he was a superior centre half as a traditional stopper. Tell me if wood Keogh and Cranie were all fit what would you do play all of them or use an 18 year old as full back? Wood was fit for the first game of the season and Mcpake was on the bench as well.

CCFC said:

I totally agree on Christie, I think it was ridiculous that he played so much when Cranie, Keogh, Cameron and Wood were all available.

I think you are exaggerating/over reacting about the non league comment though

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its a tough one. I would have preferred to see Keogh at right back. However the others i.e wood mcpake and Cameron always seem injured or just back from injury and not fully fit. Keogh and cranie were always getting talked up post match as a great central defensive partnership.

If AT broke them up and put a not fully fit wood, mcpake or Cameron in and it went wrong what would we all say then.

He always wanted Keogh as centre half, he put him there as soon as he took over post boothroyd. Difference was he had Jordan Clarke then who was perfect for his diamond midfield and not Cyrus Christie.

He has said in a previous interview he always saw Keogh as s natural cb.

Keogh is a CB that can also play RB. Keogh was player of the season by far after playing CB. You say Wood is far superior to Keogh as CB. This to me would make Wood a Prem CB if what you are saying is correct.

Astute said:

Keogh is a CB that can also play RB. Keogh was player of the season by far after playing CB. You say Wood is far superior to Keogh as CB. This to me would make Wood a Prem CB if what you are saying is correct.

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I don't get the premiership bit at all. Of course wood is a championship centre half. Did he play 40 games the season before last with Keogh at right back. He did ok then. That said my "far superior" comment may have been somewhat exaggerated. The main point was when fit he, Keogh and Cranie should all have been played and they weren't.

kduffy said:

I don't get the premiership bit at all. Of course wood is a championship centre half. Did he play 40 games the season before last with Keogh at right back. He did ok then. That said my "far superior" comment may have been somewhat exaggerated. The main point was when fit he, Keogh and Cranie should all have been played and they weren't.

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He means he considers Keogh to be a very good championship defender so if Wood is far superior that makes him at least premiership class.

CCFC said:

He means he considers Keogh to be a very good championship defender so if Wood is far superior that makes him at least premiership class.

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Thanks for helping to try to explain to Duffy. You might have a problem though if he don't agree with you

kduffy said:

Me exaggerate? Never.

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And you are always truthful?

kduffy said:

That said my "far superior" comment may have been somewhat exaggerated.

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:thinking about: :facepalm::facepalm:

Keogh is going full stop.
As is any player where any offer is made.

Get in into your heads SISU do not want this club, this team, this problem. They want the land, the Hotel, the Stadium.

Supporters need to get off there backsides and start reacting not listening to the rubbish being printed and said.

Sisu will just Liquidate us, they dont need or want us. We will not go into Administration (that would be our best option) as Sisu have to much money and assets, they will just close this part of the company down and walk away.

Steve.B50 said:

Keogh is going full stop.
As is any player where any offer is made.

Get in into your heads SISU do not want this club, this team, this problem. They want the land, the Hotel, the Stadium.

Supporters need to get off there backsides and start reacting not listening to the rubbish being printed and said.

Sisu will just Liquidate us, they dont need or want us. We will not go into Administration (that would be our best option) as Sisu have to much money and assets, they will just close this part of the company down and walk away.

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Most of us know the odds are he will be gone. It don't mean he will be gone for sure though. If he signs a new contract his value goes up. How happy is he at our club? Not everyone is happy to uproot their family for a few quid more.

So what proof have you that there is any value in liquidation? You state it as fact. What can't they sell now that liquidation would bring about? Liquidation would take things out of their hands. You say they have too many assest? Many say Ryton is morgaged. What else is there? A few lawnmowers. Players that can already be sold. As a going concern they can hold out for as much as they want. Liquidation will not happen unless it is started by someone else. Admin would come before Liquidation.

Oh yeah forgot to say Keogh is getting married today. Don't expect anything to happen quickly with signing a new contract or moving.

If his new wife to be don't want to move would he upset her this early in their marriage?

Paxman11........"He may have been pretty good for us most of last season but I still see deficiencies in his game and he is not a natural CB for me.


The above statement says to me that you DON'T think he's a CB....once again, it's all about opinions, and the opinion of the voting fans say Keogh was, by a country mile, CCFC's best player....What position did he play in the majority of games last season?......CB.

In terms of defensive ability I see very little to choose between Wood, Keogh or Cranie the difference is the last two can pass and carry the ball better and thats why they suit Thorns plans.

Paxman II said:

There you go again nonleagueherewecome....I stated Wood was a better technical player. You seem to have the uncanny ability to read something and interpret it differently. How do you do that? I'm also aware he was a CB and I did not say he was not did I?
I also never mentioned him being our best player or not or indeed by any country mile??

You are like the proverbial party goer standing in a group and finishing everyone else's sentences and getting that wrong!

Read a few books and perhaps you will begin to understand the English language better given time. :facepalm:

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Firstly, you DIDN'T say Wood was a better technical player than Cranie, you said he was better full stop, but: Technical player? Wood better than Cranie? So, Wood has:
1) A better first touch than Cranie?
2) Better passing ability?
3) Better creativity?

If I was rating them in these areas, I'd go:

First Touch: Wood 2, Cranie 7
Passing Ability: Wood 3, Cranie 6
Creativity: Wood 1, Cranie 4.

Now if you are talking Physical (Strength, Jumping) or Mental (Determination, Aggression, Work Rate), then an on-form Wood would trump Cranie. Not that with seen an in-form Wood in about 2 years...but my point here is, your definition of technical is wrong here.

Back to our original debate-I said that anyone who couldn't see that "Keogh was our best player by a country mile last season I simply can't comprehend". This was in reply to you saying:

"I still see deficiencies in his game and he is not a natural CB for me. Overall I would say he is a little over rated and simply stood out a bit with the odd heroics and looked better in a poor side than he actually is. harsh maybe but £1m he is not. if we can get that for him then snap whoever it is hands off! We have equally as good CB's in my opinion all over our squad."

Read what you said again..then read my response, which was mainly regarding Keogh-the Cranie thing was a minor issue,, and I tried to have a little joke with you about how we aren't going to agree much if you think Wood is better than Cranie! Yes, that was a "fun" exclamation mark!

Then you go of on a rant about how you didn't say that at all, and that you just said Cranie was a better technical player than Cranie-which you didn't, in the slightest bit, but if you HAD DONE, well then that would have made you sound even more foolish than saying what you did about Keogh IMO.

You finish off your masterpiece in debate by telling me to go off and "read some books": well my dear little Paxman, I'm sure I've read more books than you've eaten hot dinners! But that little bit of advice seems somewhat rich coming from somebody who is incapable of reading a couple of forum posts properly-let alone someone who fails to comprehend or understand what they themselves have written!


Just don't read what I say in future, and I'll try not to take the bait in future if I read any of the drivel you spout.

kduffy said:

Whatever the merits the fact is when Cranie Mcpake wood and Keogh were all fit they should have all played. It was very unfair to subject Christie to as many games as he did and even worse with the stupid formation that exposed them time and time again in the first half of the season.
Clive Platts comments regarding tactics were slot on. NLHWC will conveniently overlook them as he persists in his worship of the Clueless One. The truth is whoever the owners are with him in charge non league is where we will be. Ironically with anyone but sisu in charge we would be free of him.

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I don't "worship" him at all. I agree, it should have been Keogh at RB and McPake CB if fit. He never was, and when he was used, he looked like an ex-footballer he was so off the pace. Wood was also injured for most of the season, needed to cover Hussey's injury for another part of it, and Cameron also had knocks and looked very poor until the Watford game away.

You are conveniently overlooking the actual manpower available for much of the season, not to mention that Cyrus DID deliver some superb performances at RB, and so did Clarke when available. That's two fantastic young RB's when we had a gaping hope at CB and a natural CB in Keogh there to fill the gap. He also developed a great understanding with Cranie, and if we'd had the back four that finished the 2010/11 season available for most of the 2011/12 season, I don't think we'd have been relegated. That's a back 4 that Thorn created and identified as our best unit, it's the one that kept the club up after Aidy's obsession with cloggers at the back and CB's at FB, and it's the defensive line up that saw us go on our best run of the season just gone once they eventually got fit at the same time.

But never mind that, eh, duffy? I'm just a blind acolyte rather than somebody capable of understanding a coherent football strategy when I see it, right?

Well apparently Bristol think the price tag is "laughable" http://www.bristolcity.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=283934

It reads to me that the author, not Bristol, think a £1m value is laughable. Which appears strange given League One's leading striker is being valued at 8 times that value by his club; despite never having played above the third tier

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:

It reads to me that the author, not Bristol, think a £1m value is laughable. Which appears strange given League One's leading striker is being valued at 8 times that value by his club; despite never having played above the third tier

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That's why the word apparently was in play I don't think it is that OTT and if I was in sisu's shoes I would be pushing towards 1.5

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:

It reads to me that the author, not Bristol, think a £1m value is laughable. Which appears strange given League One's leading striker is being valued at 8 times that value by his club; despite never having played above the third tier

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Didnt Southampton get that for Chamberain as well ?

"I think Wood is a better player technically and a season or two ago was highly rated"

That is what I said nonleagueherewecome.

Just to mitigate slightly here I was referring to Wood over Keogh not Cranie.