Pressley Wants Hat Trick Of Strikers. (1 Viewer)

Kingokings204 · Jul 9, 2014

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/coventry-city-boss-steven-pressley-7393289

Looks like SP wants 4 strikers with 1 being from the academy and I prefer James Maddison myself.

He also wants a LB and players are shortlisted.

Overall its encouraging but I still think he needs another 5-6 players.

RoboCCFC90 · Jul 9, 2014

None of the three strikers are Tom Eaves.. So that rules him out, I wonder who is on Pressley's list? Hogan, Winnall?

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Kingokings204 · Jul 9, 2014

RoboCCFC90 said:
None of the three strikers are Tom Eaves.. So that rules him out, I wonder who is on Pressley's list? Hogan, Winnall?

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Doesn't sound like he has a list as such but we need them soonish as they need to settle and get use to playing our way.

How does a Leroy Lita and a Tom Pope partnership sound?

RoboCCFC90 · Jul 9, 2014

Kingokings204 said:
Doesn't sound like he has a list as such but we need them soonish as they need to settle and get use to playing our way.

How does a Leroy Lita and a Tom Pope partnership sound?

Maybe he doesn't want to discuss them in the case that SP feels he is putting all his eggs in one basket?

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Kingokings204 · Jul 9, 2014

RoboCCFC90 said:
Maybe he doesn't want to discuss them in the case that SP feels he is putting all his eggs in one basket?

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Possibly. More than enough good strikers out there and we need a goalscoring midfielder also imo. A playmaker Franck Moussa player. We need this badly.

RoboCCFC90 · Jul 9, 2014

Kingokings204 said:
Possibly. More than enough good strikers out there and we need a goalscoring midfielder also imo. A playmaker Franck Moussa player. We need this badly.

I trust Pressley I am sure he will get the right players, although IMO he doesn't have long to achieve it, I personally would want all my targets in by the first pre season fixture - that for us is Nuneaton a week Saturday - so that these players can in embedded into our style of play and communication with their team mates.

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AFCCOVENTRY · Jul 9, 2014

Kingokings204 said:
Possibly. More than enough good strikers out there and we need a goalscoring midfielder also imo. A playmaker Franck Moussa player. We need this badly.

The Swiss player coubaily is a playmaker and winger in the Moussa style

fernandopartridge · Jul 9, 2014

Next season Central midfield need to chip in with a few goals rather than being so reliant on strikers.

Kingokings204 · Jul 9, 2014

AFCCOVENTRY said:
The Swiss player coubaily is a playmaker and winger in the Moussa style

Yes possibly he could be but seems an out an out winger to me which is great but we need a playmaker a zidane of league 1 like moussa was. A man who would get double figures in goals and set up others also. A flare player that excites the fans.

stupot07 · Jul 9, 2014

Kingokings204 said:
Possibly. More than enough good strikers out there and we need a goalscoring midfielder also imo. A playmaker Franck Moussa player. We need this badly.

We don't need a franck moussa type player if we're going to play with 2 conventional wingers. But as a previous poster says, the centre mid'a need to chip in with 10-12 goals between them this season.

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RoboCCFC90 · Jul 9, 2014

stupot07 said:
We don't need a franck moussa type player if we're going to play with 2 conventional wingers. But as a previous poster says, the centre mid'a need to chip in with 10-12 goals between them this season.

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I agree, the problem with playing Moussa last season was that Mousse drifted in and left a vulnerable space on the left and although Mousse did set up many and score many, at times we were left exposed, if we can get two strikers who can fire that would be excellent, but - as you Stupot and AFC alluded to - we need goals from midfield, either that coming from the Wingers or the likes of Fleck and Thomas, but we need to be scoring goals all over.

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Greggs · Jul 9, 2014

Sell 1 prolific scorer, replace him with 3 'ten goal a season' men. Utter bullshit!

covcity4life · Jul 9, 2014

Greggs said:
Sell 1 prolific scorer, replace him with 3 'ten goal a season' men. Utter bullshit!

watch moneyball.

it can work.

Astute · Jul 9, 2014

Greggs said:
Sell 1 prolific scorer, replace him with 3 'ten goal a season' men. Utter bullshit!

Normally would agree.

But it looks like enough of the fee is going to be used to bring in more than 3 players. No big signings but money going on the wage bill. It could well be a good move selling one player to strengthen the whole team. Yes he scored us lots of goals but it meant nothing when the rest of the team let lots in.

torchomatic · Jul 9, 2014

Ah, the "playing our way" and "bedding in" stuff. That's nonsense IMHO. Didn't take long for Clarke and McGoldrick to start scoring. As long as a striker knows where the net is then I think they can come in the day before a match and be a success. The difficult thing will be getting someone who can score on our budget.

Kingokings204 said:
Doesn't sound like he has a list as such but we need them soonish as they need to settle and get use to playing our way.

How does a Leroy Lita and a Tom Pope partnership sound?

shmmeee · Jul 9, 2014

torchomatic said:
Ah, the "playing our way" and "bedding in" stuff. That's nonsense IMHO. Didn't take long for Clarke and McGoldrick to start scoring. As long as a striker knows where the net is then I think they can come in the day before a match and be a success. The difficult thing will be getting someone who can score on our budget.

Mobile like.

Whole teams need time to gel. Players bed in instantly in many cases, especially strikers.

Don't understand the panic TBH. McGoldrick and Clarke both came in during the season and seemed to gel OK.

The Gentleman · Jul 9, 2014

stupot07 said:
We don't need a franck moussa type player if we're going to play with 2 conventional wingers. But as a previous poster says, the centre mid'a need to chip in with 10-12 goals between them this season.

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As others have said that Moussa drifted in quite a lot into the centre then we do need a Franc Moussa type player through the middle to get us the goals then. If you play with two conventional wingers and two up top the that leaves us with two in the centre. One defensive and one attacking like Franc Moussa please SP. We are going to miss his goals because we cannot rely on the new strikers coming in and firing like Clarke and Wilson did last season.

rupert_bear · Jul 9, 2014

It's okay Pressley having a list but it's Steve Waggott's list that counts.

stupot07 · Jul 9, 2014

The Gentleman said:
As others have said that Moussa drifted in quite a lot into the centre then we do need a Franc Moussa type player through the middle to get us the goals then. If you play with two conventional wingers and two up top the that leaves us with two in the centre. One defensive and one attacking like Franc Moussa please SP. We are going to miss his goals because we cannot rely on the new strikers coming in and firing like Clarke and Wilson did last season.

Who's to say the new wingers won't chip in with 8-10 each? Given that fleck is going to play, we need some strength and guile in midfield as we lost too many midfield battles last season.

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The Gentleman · Jul 9, 2014

stupot07 said:
Who's to say the new wingers won't chip in with 8-10 each?

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Well that would be all the better then if you had the new wingers chipping in with 8-10 each and a Franc Moussa type midfielder with 12-14.

stupot07 · Jul 9, 2014

The Gentleman said:
Well that would be all the better then if you had the new wingers chipping in with 8-10 each and a Franc Moussa type midfielder with 12-14.

Not really if our midfield is as defensively weak as last season and we continue to concede circa 80 league goals...

I would say becoming a tighter defensive unit is far more important. To have any success we need to be conceding 25-30 less goals.

I'm sure you will disagree, so we will have to agree to disagree.

2x wingers 8-10 goals - 16-20
2x strikers 12-15 - 24-30
1x striker 8-10
Centremids 5-10
Back four 8-10

Total - 61-80 goals

Plenty.

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Shake_and_McPake · Jul 9, 2014

Greggs said:
Sell 1 prolific scorer, replace him with 3 'ten goal a season' men. Utter bullshit!

In that case we score 8 more goals. Not sure how that doesn't sound better on any level.

The Gentleman · Jul 9, 2014

stupot07 said:
Not really if our midfield is as defensively weak as last season and we continue to concede circa 80 league goals...

I would say becoming a tighter defensive unit is far more important. To have any success we need to be conceding 25-30 less goals.

I'm sure you will disagree, so we will have to agree to disagree.

2x wingers 8-10 goals - 16-20
2x strikers 12-15 - 24-30
1x striker 8-10
Centremids 5-10
Back four 8-10

Total - 61-80 goals

Plenty.

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You know as well as me that both wingers will not get that return each, one might and the other chip in but going on Pressley's signings last season and the little budget we have we cannot expect every position to be firing.

Every team who does well has that spark/creativity that comes in or plays from the middle and we are no different. Two defensive midfielders would not give us that option and restrict us on narrow pitches or wingers being marked out of a game.

A good defense for a start would make a tighter defensive unit a one defensive midfielder would help shore it up even more. To have a good defense you have to have good defenders and we haven't and that was the fundamental problem last season and no amount of defensive midfielders would help a simple ball over the top beating shit defenders.

So I don't disagree that we need a tighter defense, it's just how we go about it.

Just out of curiosity, have you played before and this is just me asking and not proding with a stick.

stupot07 · Jul 9, 2014

Yes, I've played football at a half decent level.

You would argue the creativity will come from the wingers and fleck.

Out defenders came in for a lot of stick last season. You don't concede 77 league goals through purely having a crap defence. A lot of our goals were giving poor ball in midfield and poor defensive midfield play. A midfield of baker, moussa, fleck and Thomas didn't have enough structure, strength or know how without the ball.

And we don't know that both wingers won't get an 8-10 goal return, as our two 'wide men' last season both got that level of return.

Who'd have thought moussa would have got so many, when he not got 4 league goals the season before?

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fernandopartridge · Jul 9, 2014

stupot07 said:
Yes, I've played football at a half decent level.

You would argue the creativity will come from the wingers and fleck.

Out defenders came in for a lot of stick last season. You don't concede 77 league goals through purely having a crap defence. A lot of our goals were giving poor ball in midfield and poor defensive midfield play. A midfield of baker, moussa, fleck and Thomas didn't have enough structure, strength or know how without the ball.

And we don't know that both wingers won't get an 8-10 goal return, as our two 'wide men' last season both got that level of return.

Who'd have thought moussa would have got so many, when he not got 4 league goals the season before?

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Don't listen to Gent. He has NEVER played at any level.

The Gentleman · Jul 9, 2014

fernandopartridge said:
Don't listen to Gent. He has NEVER played at any level.

Speak for yourself mate, If I hadn't took the paths that I did then you would have been cheering me from the stands (and probably Stupot aswell)!

The Gentleman · Jul 9, 2014

stupot07 said:
Yes, I've played football at a half decent level.

You would argue the creativity will come from the wingers and fleck.

Out defenders came in for a lot of stick last season. You don't concede 77 league goals through purely having a crap defence. A lot of our goals were giving poor ball in midfield and poor defensive midfield play. A midfield of baker, moussa, fleck and Thomas didn't have enough structure, strength or know how without the ball.

And we don't know that both wingers won't get an 8-10 goal return, as our two 'wide men' last season both got that level of return.

Who'd have thought moussa would have got so many, when he not got 4 league goals the season before?

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But having a good defense might stop 15-20 of those goals. How many more points would we have had if that was the case in some of the tight games?

Despite us going round in circles, You say Fleck can provide us with that spark along with the wingers, remind me again how many he got last season? You said 5-10 from centre midfield so by my reckoning you think that the defensive midfielder we have will outscore Fleck and give us upto 9 goals. Not really a defensive midfielder then.

fernandopartridge · Jul 9, 2014

The Gentleman said:
Speak for yourself mate, If I hadn't took the paths that I did then you would have been cheering me from the stands (and probably Stupot aswell)!

I don't follow Cov United mate!

(I think you followed the wrong path. Running around off the pitch isn't as good as on it)

torchomatic · Jul 9, 2014

Doubt it as you would be refusing to play in Northampton, wouldn't you? :thinking about:

The Gentleman said:
Speak for yourself mate, If I hadn't took the paths that I did then you would have been cheering me from the stands (and probably Stupot aswell)!

The Gentleman · Jul 9, 2014

torchomatic said:
Doubt it as you would be refusing to play in Northampton, wouldn't you? :thinking about:

No Torch, because if I were playing, Northampton wouldn't be an issue. We would be challenging for champions league in the PL at the Ricoh, filling it to the rafters and asking the Council if we could extend the Ricoh!

stupot07 · Jul 9, 2014

The Gentleman said:
But having a good defense might stop 15-20 of those goals. How many more points would we have had if that was the case in some of the tight games?

Despite us going round in circles, You say Fleck can provide us with that spark along with the wingers, remind me again how many he got last season? You said 5-10 from centre midfield so by my reckoning you think that the defensive midfielder we have will outscore Fleck and give us upto 9 goals. Not really a defensive midfielder then.

I imagine we'd have had a lot more points. I haven't got time to look now, but I'll have a look later.

You can't base what fleck would do next season on what he did last season as Pressley is changing the tactics (he got 3 the season before). For a start with 2 fullbacks bombing on means that both central midfields have to stay deeper. My guess is we're going to have less adventurous fullbacks and rely ok he new wingers to give us width. That means the central midfielders will have a big more freedom to push forward, with the fullbacks sitting in.

And a spark isn't all about scoring goals, It's about controlling and upping the tempo of games, a quick pass here, a little dribble there.

And don't forget it's not just about the 2 strikers, 2 wingers, 2 central midfielders, etc that start week in week out but also squad players chipping in.

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The Gentleman · Jul 9, 2014

stupot07 said:
I imagine we'd have had a lot more points. I haven't got time to look now, but I'll have a look later.

You can't base what fleck would do next season on what he did last season as Pressley is changing the tactics (he got 3 the season before). For a start with 2 fullbacks bombing on means that both central midfields have to stay deeper. My guess is we're going to have less adventurous fullbacks and rely ok he new wingers to give us width. That means the central midfielders will have a big more freedom to push forward, with the fullbacks sitting in.

And a spark isn't all about scoring goals, It's about controlling and upping the tempo of games, a quick pass here, a little dribble there.

And don't forget it's not just about the 2 strikers, 2 wingers, 2 central midfielders, etc that start week in week out but also squad players chipping in.

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But how do you know that Fleck can adjust and from the games I saw he did his fair share of going forward and still only scored 1 goal. He has scored 7 goals in 8 seasons (granted not playing lots of games early on in his career) so I think we can be pretty sure that the goals are not coming from Fleck.

What spark did Fleck provide for the second half of the season then?

Lastly, if you take a look at successful teams they all had/have at least one adventurous full back.

stupot07 · Jul 9, 2014

The Gentleman said:
But how do you know that Fleck can adjust and from the games I saw he did his fair share of going forward and still only scored 1 goal. He has scored 7 goals in 8 seasons (granted not playing lots of games early on in his career) so I think we can be pretty sure that the goals are not coming from Fleck.

What spark did Fleck provide for the second half of the season then?

Lastly, if you take a look at successful teams they all had/have at least one adventurous full back.

About as much spark as Moussa did in the second half of the season.

If bakers on going to play, fleck may well end up taking pens - so there potential 3-4 goals, his partner chips in with another 3-4, then 3rd choice/sub central midfielder chips in with 2-3 there's your 10 from central mid.

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Deleted member 5849 · Jul 9, 2014

RoboCCFC90 said:
I trust Pressley I am sure he will get the right players

His previous striker signings have done anything but inspire.

This is where he'll make or break his reputation, as it's the glaring flaw on his record so far, and he's got no strikers at the club to cover his back now.

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 9, 2014

The Gentleman said:
What spark did Fleck provide for the second half of the season then?

Have to say... would we miss Fleck if he was sold?

All the promise in the world, but so far it's added up to half a decent season for us, and still a nagging doubt there he'll never fulfill his promise.

So get him out while his stock's relatively high?

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