Pressley & Bakers Speechs Last night (1 Viewer)

covboy1987 · Apr 21, 2013

I am not really a Pressley fan but am willing to give him a chance, particularly last night as he had the balls to stand up in front of a packed G- casino and explain about the game yesterday and his tactics, etc. and his thoughts for the future.
After the few hecklers had finished he actually calmed the room and talked sense about his plans and the way we should play and the new scouting system for young players of the future, Cannot remember even seeing a current manager in the casino after the match never mind getting up and talking to the fans well done Stephen Pressley.
Carl's Baker for all the people that have continued to slag him off rightfully or wrongly won every player of the year award going, even London supporters and Irish Supporters so he cannot be that bad after all. He also answered questions and admitted that the ownership problems had been affecting the players he then commented and seemed to imply that 'Things were getting sorted' Kirk Stephens said the same thing when he spoke you can read into that what you want but strange two players implying the same thoughts about how sure all the problems will be sorted for the start of next season. Incidentally Joe Elliot walked in just behind Carl Baker, by chance, or they were in company.

DazzleTommyDazzle · Apr 21, 2013

I'm yet to be convinced by Pressley, but he certainly deserves credit for that.

RoboCCFC90 · Apr 21, 2013

Yeah definitely deserves credit for it, due to my err unforeseen early exit I managed to get a proper walk around the casino yesterday for the first time (Not a big gambler so never went in before), was shown around by a very sexy young lady named Rebecca (Phwoarrr) and she asked me if I would of been interested in hanging round for the evening as it's pretty good after Matchdays would of been worth it if I did..

Otis · Apr 21, 2013

Impossible to judge him as a manager just yet I feel.

Any successes we have had this season have revolved around having either David McGoldrick or Leon Clarke leading the line. They are out and out goalscorers.

When any manager has to rely on the likes of Callum Wilson or Danny Philliskirk or Callum Ball to fill those sort of enormous boots you are always going to have problems.

Think we can only judge Pressley when he has the front line he wants at his disposal. It's no wonder we didn't score yesterday when you have Danny Philliskirk leading the strikeforce. How many goals has he scored in his career again?

I'm not convinced by Pressley but let us at least give him a chance to build his own team and have the players at his disposal to select from first before we start chastising the bloke.

Sky blue north east · Apr 21, 2013

In his speech did he not use the word'resignation' if not then shame. Anyway sure was told last summer everything would be sorted so unless there a takeover sounds like more bullshite!!!

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 21, 2013

Otis said:
Impossible to judge him as a manager just yet I feel.

Any successes we have had this season have revolved around having either David McGoldrick or Leon Clarke leading the line. They are out and out goalscorers.

When any manager has to rely on the likes of Callum Wilson or Danny Philliskirk or Callum Ball to fill those sort of enormous boots you are always going to have problems.

Think we can only judge Pressley when he has the front line he wants at his disposal. It's no wonder we didn't score yesterday when you have Danny Philliskirk leading the strikeforce. How many goals has he scored in his career again?

I'm not convinced by Pressley but let us at least give him a chance to build his own team and have the players at his disposal to select from first before we start chastising the bloke.

Can't say fairer than that.

stupot07 · Apr 21, 2013

Otis said:
Impossible to judge him as a manager just yet I feel.

Any successes we have had this season have revolved around having either David McGoldrick or Leon Clarke leading the line. They are out and out goalscorers.

When any manager has to rely on the likes of Callum Wilson or Danny Philliskirk or Callum Ball to fill those sort of enormous boots you are always going to have problems.

Think we can only judge Pressley when he has the front line he wants at his disposal. It's no wonder we didn't score yesterday when you have Danny Philliskirk leading the strikeforce. How many goals has he scored in his career again?

I'm not convinced by Pressley but let us at least give him a chance to build his own team and have the players at his disposal to select from first before we start chastising the bloke.

Yep, very true.....one of the key things for SP to address is our over reliance on Clarke and baker for goals.

Skybluerevolution (Pt2) · Apr 21, 2013

One question for the Pressely doubters.....how have you been able to make a informed decision on a manager that has had so much shite thrown at him from day one of his job? Most would walk away (Mark Robins) give the guy a chance, you come here and on CWR giving it this and that about tactics and players/positions ect...obviously these people know more than an ex player? or more than a qualified coach? thought not...just give him a fair crack of the whip.. unfortunately it ain't football manger hes playing its real life...we should be supporting him, surely?

Nonleagueherewecome · Apr 21, 2013

Skybluerevolution (Pt2) said:
One question for the Pressely doubters.....how have you been able to make a informed decision on a manager that has had so much shite thrown at him from day one of his job? Most would walk away (Mark Robins) give the guy a chance, you come here and on CWR giving it this and that about tactics and players/positions ect...obviously these people know more than an ex player? or more than a qualified coach? thought not...just give him a fair crack of the whip.. unfortunately it ain't football manger hes playing its real life...we should be supporting him, surely?

I can see exactly what he's trying to do in terms of Football Manager tactics

One point where reality differs is that if you play on a muddy pitch, going a couple of "notches" more direct with your passing is more effective in FM. Yesterday, IRL, it was not!

Skybluerevolution (Pt2) · Apr 21, 2013

Nonleagueherewecome said:
I can see exactly what he's trying to do in terms of Football Manager tactics

One point where reality differs is that if you play on a muddy pitch, going a couple of "notches" more direct with your passing is more effective in FM. Yesterday, IRL, it was not!

What a managers ask players to do on the pitch and what players a capable of doing can sometimes be poles apart...he has be unable to anything with the squad as we have had an embargo...he may well see the same as you buy can not fix it has he is stuck with an inherited squad. look at the injuries! to make an judgement now is unfair, IMO...if we are struggling next season then the board need to make a decision...PUSB

stupot07 · Apr 21, 2013

Skybluerevolution (Pt2) said:
What a managers ask players to do on the pitch and what players a capable of doing can sometimes be poles apart...he has be unable to anything with the squad as we have had an embargo...he may well see the same as you buy can not fix it has he is stuck with an inherited squad. look at the injuries! to make an judgement now is unfair, IMO...if we are struggling next season then the board need to make a decision...PUSB

I expect us to struggle next season, simply because the changes and restructure he wants to do will take time to work.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Apr 21, 2013

stupot07 said:
I expect us to struggle next season, simply because the changes and restructure he wants to do will take time to work.

If we are struggling then Pressley will get the boot I reckon

Mucca Mad Boys · Apr 21, 2013

stupot07 said:
I expect us to struggle next season, simply because the changes and restructure he wants to do will take time to work.

Which has already started and we have preseason to do that, there aren't any excuses come start of the season.

I feel the criticisms of him are completely unjust, he inherited a squad that is very strong in places, but in other areas, very weak, one of those positions being striker, now, we all knew we'd struggle if Clarke got injured, whoever was manager, because he was the only reliable source of goals, Sod's law, he gets injured, and we don't have adequate cover for him, Wilson and Philliskirk look like they could be decent/average (not yet decided) but unfortunately, neither look like they have goalscoring instincts (albeit, I will concede, it's difficult to judge seeing as they haven't had much game time). Cody, who is a natural goalscorer, at L2, he may be a class L1 striker for a different team as he doesn't suit our style. Ball, had barely started all season, no league goals, so based on that, it was worrying and pretty obvious we were going to struggle. I expect next season SP will amend this weakness by signing a ST either to start, or as a sub.

Under him, we've played some good football, created decent chances, but lacked the cutting edge in front of goal Clarke has, that's why you pay big money for strikers, because a good striker can take you up that extra level (e.g. Hooper @ Scunny).

Defensively, we've struggled all season, under SP, we're missing Adams, and for most of his reign, Wood, our best CB (I'd still get rid, which says a lot about the rest), I personally wouldn't keep any of our CBs at the min, they're either not worth their wage, or shit. I hope Willis comes in and does really well, and hopefully he's accompanied with some other defenders.

This doesn't mean he'll be a good manager for us, I have faith in him, but he cannot be judge yet IMO.

stupot07 · Apr 21, 2013

CCFC said:
If we are struggling then Pressley will get the boot I reckon

Yep, we're not the most patient of fans.

stupot07 · Apr 21, 2013

SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Which has already started and we have preseason to do that, there aren't any excuses come start of the season.

I feel the criticisms of him are completely unjust, he inherited a squad that is very strong in places, but in other areas, very weak, one of those positions being striker, now, we all knew we'd struggle if Clarke got injured, whoever was manager, because he was the only reliable source of goals, Sod's law, he gets injured, and we don't have adequate cover for him, Wilson and Philliskirk look like they could be decent/average (not yet decided) but unfortunately, neither look like they have goalscoring instincts (albeit, I will concede, it's difficult to judge seeing as they haven't had much game time). Cody, who is a natural goalscorer, at L2, he may be a class L1 striker for a different team as he doesn't suit our style. Ball, had barely started all season, no league goals, so based on that, it was worrying and pretty obvious we were going to struggle. I expect next season SP will amend this weakness by signing a ST either to start, or as a sub.

Under him, we've played some good football, created decent chances, but lacked the cutting edge in front of goal Clarke has, that's why you pay big money for strikers, because a good striker can take you up that extra level (e.g. Hooper @ Scunny).

Defensively, we've struggled all season, under SP, we're missing Adams, and for most of his reign, Wood, our best CB (I'd still get rid, which says a lot about the rest), I personally wouldn't keep any of our CBs at the min, they're either not worth their wage, or shit. I hope Willis comes in and does really well, and hopefully he's accompanied with some other defenders.

This doesn't mean he'll be a good manager for us, I have faith in him, but he cannot be judge yet IMO.

Of course there are excuses
- the current squad isn't good enough, and in a lot areas doesn't fit with the way he wants to play.
- he has a squad of 34 and wants to trim it down to 24 and shake things up - you're lookin at around 20 leaving to make that happen.
- whilst doing this we need to trim the wage bill down
- he said he prefers to own players than bringing in loans. This will take a lot of wheeling and dealing.
- we are under a transfer embargo
- setting up the structures to allow transition from u18's to first team won't happen over night.
- we need a couple of strikers, cb's, number 10, quick wingers, a couple of physical cms and a back up left back.
- we're already 10 points off play offs (minus deduction)
- and then there's the long term recruitment strategy.

All this will take time, and will need the transfer embargo to be lifted a lot earlier than this season when we missed out on a number of key players.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 21, 2013

stupot07 said:
Yep, we're not the most patient of fans.

To be fair Stu we support the most non-achieving club in the FL at present, stretching back for over 40 years. The more we settle for crap in progressively worse standards of football the more sealed the club's long term fate becomes; it's nowhere near good enough and we shouldn't be accepting it.

stupot07 · Apr 21, 2013

Brighton Sky Blue said:
To be fair Stu we support the most non-achieving club in the FL at present, stretching back for over 40 years. The more we settle for crap in progressively worse standards of football the more sealed the club's long term fate becomes; it's nowhere near good enough and we shouldn't be accepting it.

I kind of agree, however there is no quick fix, even if the takeover happens, we shouldn't just throw money at the problem. We've had too much short termism, we need a long term solution that enables is to stand on our own two feet with mininal losses. We need to copy what swansea did.

SBS · Apr 21, 2013

stupot07 said:
I kind of agree, however there is no quick fix, even if the takeover happens, we shouldn't just throw money at the problem. We've had too much short termism, we need a long term solution that enables is to stand on our own two feet with mininal losses. We need to copy what swansea did.

Agree with this. Swansea stuck to a principle an it's worked perfectly for them. Having different managers with different philosophies has meant we've got a squad of players who all play different ways. Time for consistency on and off the pitch.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 21, 2013

stupot07 said:
I kind of agree, however there is no quick fix, even if the takeover happens, we shouldn't just throw money at the problem. We've had too much short termism, we need a long term solution that enables is to stand on our own two feet with mininal losses. We need to copy what swansea did.

Do you think that's how Cardiff, Watford, Leicester and the like all operate? Football in this country punishes long termism and rewards reckless short term spending to get into the big time. We need access to those stadium revenues and the lying yes-man Fisher and his employers to leave-things on the pitch will not improve, no matter how sensible the strategy, if the same rotten core is still there.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 21, 2013

SBS said:
Agree with this. Swansea stuck to a principle an it's worked perfectly for them. Having different managers with different philosophies has meant we've got a squad of players who all play different ways. Time for consistency on and off the pitch.

Coleman was given 2.5 years and delivered some of the worst football seen.

stupot07 · Apr 21, 2013

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Do you think that's how Cardiff, Watford, Leicester and the like all operate? Football in this country punishes long termism and rewards reckless short term spending to get into the big time. We need access to those stadium revenues and the lying yes-man Fisher and his employers to leave-things on the pitch will not improve, no matter how sensible the strategy, if the same rotten core is still there.

Wait until their owners run out of money or get bored. Of we go down the short term root we will face this situation again in 8-10 years time. I agree we need access to the revenue streams.

stupot07 · Apr 21, 2013

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Coleman was given 2.5 years and delivered some of the worst football seen.

He was a shit manager and there was never a long term strategy in terms of football philosophy and the link between the academy and the first team. We just signed up an Colin talent from elsewhere.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 21, 2013

stupot07 said:
Wait until their owners run out of money or get bored. Of we go down the short term root we will face this situation again in 8-10 years time. I agree we need access to the revenue streams.

I don't disagree at all but it's these clubs making it so hard to compete whilst maintaining a sustainable business. QPR in the Championship next season will be very interesting indeed; bought their way up a few years ago and have resoundingly failed to progress.

WillieStanley · Apr 21, 2013

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I don't disagree at all but it's these clubs making it so hard to compete whilst maintaining a sustainable business. QPR in the Championship next season will be very interesting indeed; bought their way up a few years ago and have resoundingly failed to progress.

QPR are the next Pompey. Spent more, achieved less and will fall harder, I'm sure.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 21, 2013

WillieStanley said:
QPR are the next Pompey. Spent more, achieved less and will fall harder, I'm sure.

Could well be right if Blackburn don't beat them to it.

SBS · Apr 21, 2013

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Coleman was given 2.5 years and delivered some of the worst football seen.

Yes we underachieved, but as another poster said there didn't appear to be a long term strategy. Boothroyd was appointed after and it was a complete change in philosophy again. There was no consistency in their early appointments.

Credit where its due, Waggott and Fisher did well with Robins. Whether Pressley will be remains to be seen and those writing him off already are a bit silly IMO. I would love to know who those doing so would like to see realistically replace him.

Grendel · Apr 21, 2013

We will probably be on minus 15 to start the season. I think mid table would be an achievement.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 21, 2013

SBS said:
Yes we underachieved, but as another poster said there didn't appear to be a long term strategy. Boothroyd was appointed after and it was a complete change in philosophy again. There was no consistency in their early appointments.

Credit where its due, Waggott and Fisher did well with Robins. Whether Pressley will be remains to be seen and those writing him off already are a bit silly IMO. I would love to know who those doing so would like to see realistically replace him.

The strategy was to buy young players who would develop and be sold at a profit-Fox, Dann, Gunnar and Westwood amongst others fit the bill so there was a definite strategy. The problem lay in hiring an awful manager.

Grendel · Apr 21, 2013

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The strategy was to buy young players who would develop and be sold at a profit-Fox, Dann, Gunnar and Westwood amongst others fit the bill so there was a definite strategy. The problem lay in hiring an awful manager.

Blame ray "the football man" for that. You know thorn was with Coleman at Fulham? Read that the other week.

williesdonkeykick · Apr 21, 2013

SBS said:
Yes we underachieved, but as another poster said there didn't appear to be a long term strategy. Boothroyd was appointed after and it was a complete change in philosophy again. There was no consistency in their early appointments.

Credit where its due, Waggott and Fisher did well with Robins. Whether Pressley will be remains to be seen and those writing him off already are a bit silly IMO. I would love to know who those doing so would like to see realistically replace him.

Me too. I would love to see these know it all, self opinionated,touchline, armchair, dream team managers manage the club for 6 weeks within the same constraints as Pressley and see what they achieve. The excuses for their failure would make interesting listening.

SBS · Apr 21, 2013

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The strategy was to buy young players who would develop and be sold at a profit-Fox, Dann, Gunnar and Westwood amongst others fit the bill so there was a definite strategy. The problem lay in hiring an awful manager.

Yes but then that strategy changed. Gunnar left for a nominal fee and we lost Westwood for nothing. We lost the spine of the team that summer and signed McDonald. I'm surprised we still had a chance of staying up as late as we did.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 21, 2013

SBS said:
Yes but then that strategy changed. Gunnar left for a nominal fee and we lost Westwood for nothing. We lost the spine of the team that summer and signed McDonald.

They panicked after Coleman fecked up the 'March to the Arch' and only sanctioned the signing of Clingan followed by McIndoe. Waggott has been their only worthy appointment.

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