Also, I see Donny don't want their manager gone, despite him not being able to keep them up, because of constraints that made that nearly impossible! Selling top goalscorer (like we did).
I never said that, did I! I said whoever we could afford, whether that be, Abott, Tisdale, Howe etc. We wouldn't have stayed up.
Before you say "oh they would've because the clueless one is sh!t", you don't know that for a fact.
Since when has wiki been a valid source!? Oh, until you want to use it!
If 'the other side' had used it, for their argument, you would've been all over it!
I said fergie couldn't keep us up...
I never once said Andy thorn is just as good a manager..you are making that up to fuel a pointless row
are you suggesting we wouldn't have been able to afford a qualified manager - I don't buy that either
I along with others rightly jumped on it it was ludicrous. The only serious literal fact we know is last season we kept with the struggling manager rather than sack him and we got relegated.
Those are facts. Worst managerial record in football history another fact. 2 away wins as a manager.
All facts. Now show me some facts to prove me wrong. Show me the positive statistics that show he is indeed a good football manager.
I said fergie had a rough start .didn't once say it is the same as thorns..I just said fergie had a rough start and fans wanted him out..again you're twisting my words and making them your own...followed by comparing Fergie's "rough start" to that of Thorn's. You compared Thorn to Fergie twice.
Where did I say you said that? I did say you made a comparison, which is indisputable.
I said fergie had a rough start .didn't once say it is the same as thorns..I just said fergie had a rough start and fans wanted him out..again you're twisting my words and making them your own
but let's forget the first few years of his reign when united were poo and people...just like our lot wanted his head
So you're saying that's not a comparison between Thorn and Fergie?
No he didn't, he just acted like a normal fan who is posting a link to a positive story about our club. Only the twisted one-eyed people on here with their anti-Thorn paranoia could perceive it as inflammatory. The prevailing tone set by a vocal minority on here is incredibly detrimental to being able to see things objectively.
are you sure that you haven't just twisted it to fit you're agendaNo he didn't - he used a non-news item about nothing to be provocative. You are not stupid and neither is Gaz. The motive was clear.
are you sure that you haven't just twisted it to fit you're agenda
Read again and tell me how I'm comparing them in terms of managerial ability as you and grendal are making me out to be saying
This almost sums up all my feelings too - very, very well said.Your basically saying if fergie was to have been given thorn's job he would not have kept us in the champ - or did I misunderstand.
If this is accurate then that is the same as saying the gulf between Fergie and Thorn is less than what would have been required to keep us up.
We only need a few points which could have been 3 more wins.
By saying fergie could not have used his exceptional abilities as a manager (see qualities of a manager thread) to gain those additional points you are discounting the obvious mastery of football management that fergie has.
If you cannot see that fergie is far superior to thorn and equally a suitably qualfied and experienced manager as also being superior to thorn - regardless of whether raw talent exists in thorn or not then you cannot identify a candidate for being a good manager.
I believe that most of those arguing for thorn are arguing on the basis that they believe thorn may have raw talent as a manager - but others argue that it is irrelevant because he plainly lacks the ability to perform the basics in setting up our team to win and perform as more than the sum of our parts.
I argue the latter because I have worked in my own field for well in excess of 15 years and am not yet at the point of total mastery - mastery of anything takes time and that includes management.
To me it is very disrespectful to any trade to believe a novice without experience (which comes through effort) could be somehow overnight master what takes men years.
I feel the fans identify with the romantic notion but I predict that as reality sets in after a couple more months time in spite of one or two possible lucky wins we will see that we need a new man at the helm.
Yes - the cry for a stop to the managerial roundabout must stop at some point - but only CCFC would chose to stop under the control of a novice. I believed in AB - but when times got tough we chose to ditch him -we could have given him time - thinking we were better than we were and he had us performing out of our skins and fighting - I would have given him time - but SISU wouldn't - they needed someone who wouldn't make demands - who wouldn't rock the boat - and by god they got him.
I also take issue with Thorn on several things - like the berating of youth players, the cosying up to the media, the lack of ability to field difficult questions.
Before the plea for clean slates comes - I've already made my position clear through the quote 'those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past'.
Thorn thinks that if we keep doing the same things we will get different results - Thorn believes in Luck - I believe that a real man makes his own luck - I think I heard AB say that once and that was something I could identify with.
Incidentally do you know that last season's Northampton were one of the worst teams in the country - heading for football oblivion, This season they knocked Cardiff out the cup and they beat the league favourites Rotherham. A lot of people are saying they look like contenders - How embarrassing if we cling to Thorn and pass them by as they get promoted.
If I am wrong and he proves me wrong then great - I will hold up my hands - I will not hide - you can hammer me throughout my presence on sky blues talk but hey - I'll take my chances - at least we'll have gone up or something - FAT chance
Do you not think we wouldve went down if AB wasn't sacked
Do you not think we wouldve went down if AB wasn't sacked
This almost sums up all my feelings too - very, very well said.
you would've supported AB but not thorn..AB would've taken us down with a better squad than thorn hadThere are so many double negatives here I was a bit confused as to how I should answer - 1) I think we would have stayed up 2) If we hadn't I would have supported him anyway 3) He wouldn't have tolerated crazy stuff like KD sitting on the bench in a match WTF - #professionalpride etc.
how does ignore work?you would've supported AB but not thorn..AB would've taken us down with a better squad than thorn had
how does ignore work?
AT did takes us down.
I said fergie couldn't keep us up...I never once said Andy thorn is just as good a manager..you are making that up to fuel a pointless row
There are so many double negatives here I was a bit confused as to how I should answer - 1) I think we would have stayed up 2) If we hadn't I would have supported him anyway 3) He wouldn't have tolerated crazy stuff like KD sitting on the bench in a match WTF - #professionalpride etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Coventry_City_F.C._managers
Wiki lists him as the least successful manager in our history
So are you saying no manager including ferguson could have engineered 3 more wins over a 46 game season?
I am so glad I just wasted 10 mins of my life reading all that Shite.
It is dark and raining where I am. Trying to work out who's fault it is.
who are you to make this judgement pal.not stubborn I just won't be drilled down by you bunch of negative plums .do you just expect me to bow down or suck up to people like you or grendal when Its actually you lot who cannot take other peoples views on board and clearly get semi happy by trying to put people down..its a forum if my veis don't match yours tough shitI think without anyone saying it until now, we have established that CraigSkyBlue is either stubborn or stupid.
Or both. Not decided yet.
worth commenting?
same old shit, different day.
You got it.
How much of the shite put on this thread that has been repeated so many times was worth putting on?
Same old shit, different day.
who are you to make this judgement pal.not stubborn I just won't be drilled down by you bunch of negative plums .do you just expect me to bow down or suck up to people like you or grendal when Its actually you lot who cannot take other peoples views on board and clearly get semi happy by trying to put people down..its a forum if my veis don't match yours tough shit
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