About the same amount of sense as writing off new players as non scorers when they're being played in a team creating nothing. Which will be exactly the same reason why Ponticelli wouldn't solve anything. Fix the system first then give him his chance.That 18 year old kid is older than Adam Armstrong was when he was here and scoring for fun.
But yea, lets not give a goal scorer a chance, let's persevere with non scorers........ because there older.
That makes no fucking sense whatsoever!
Also makes no fucking sense bringing other strikers in also if he is just going to play Ponticelli... we got very very lucky with Armstrong look where hes at nowThat 18 year old kid is older than Adam Armstrong was when he was here and scoring for fun.
But yea, lets not give a goal scorer a chance, let's persevere with non scorers........ because there older.
That makes no fucking sense whatsoever!
About the same amount of sense as writing off new players as non scorers when they're being played in a team creating nothing. Which will be exactly the same reason why Ponticelli wouldn't solve anything. Fix the system first then give him his chance.
Whats wrong with the system when we mis a free header from 3 yards out?About the same amount of sense as writing off new players as non scorers when they're being played in a team creating nothing. Which will be exactly the same reason why Ponticelli wouldn't solve anything. Fix the system first then give him his chance.
The way the current strike force has been written off already perhaps shows why George Thomas was right to get out while he could...Some fans would get on his back if he didn't score in the first few minutes, not the first few games!
You want to give him the best chance to succeed for us, so preferably in a team that plays in a similar way to us etc...
What's wrong with the system? Well your 2 examples of our free flowing creativity are from the final 20 minutes of the last game played and are pretty much all we have created in the last 3 league games. Both chances were created by Andreu who hasn't started a league game yet. When he's not on the pitch our central midfield are so deep there's no link between midfield and the strikers down the middle and anything we do create is mostly down to JJ running at players directly. Is Ponti the type of player who makes his own chances? Not from what I've seen (which is admittedly limited to video highlights)If he was on the books of man utd or liverpool, and we signed him on loan today, all the doubters on here would look at his goals record and be creaming themselves, but because hes already ours, lets just leave him in the stiffs till hes had enough of waiting and fooks off.
He just could be the next
Whats wrong with the system when we mis a free header from 3 yards out?
Or when our best striker goes one on one with the keeper and cant even hit the target?
How many months has it been since Beavon scored?
Westwood,Keough,Christie,Ben Turner,Marlon King,Fox,Dann,Wilson,Leon Clark,Joe Murphy,Carl Baker, Elliot Ward, Gunarsson and erm ..now I'm struggling. .....Adge, are there any actually Cov players you've rated in the last 5-10 years? The only player I can remember you giving a positive analysis on was Nathan Clarke
Overrated and overhyped in your head maybe. He was a decent enough servant at championship level, that's all.
Really? Couldn't do it in L1 last time he was here.
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If he was on the books of man utd or liverpool, and we signed him on loan today, all the doubters on here would look at his goals record and be creaming themselves, but because hes already ours, lets just leave him in the stiffs till hes had enough of waiting and fooks off.
He just could be the next
Whats wrong with the system when we mis a free header from 3 yards out?
Or when our best striker goes one on one with the keeper and cant even hit the target?
How many months has it been since Beavon scored?
.....we got very very lucky with Armstrong look where hes at now
Also makes no fucking sense bringing other strikers in also if he is just going to play Ponticelli... we got very very lucky with Armstrong look where hes at now
I've lost count of the number of times we've had possession in and around the box, and not even looked to pull the trigger.At this level you need 5 chances to score 1 goal. On my reckoning you are 3 short and that is just one game.
Beavon hasn't scored a league goal in 7 fuckin months!At this level you need 5 chances to score 1 goal. On my reckoning you are 3 short and that is just one game.
Beavon hasn't scored a league goal in 7 fuckin months!
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Armstrong no longer plays for us, and hence I couldn't give a flying toss how long it's been since he's scored.Armstrong hasn't scored in 6 months
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Armstrong no longer plays for us, and hence I couldn't give a flying toss how long it's been since he's scored.
Beavon on the other hand ......
I've lost count of the number of times we've had possession in and around the box, and not even looked to pull the trigger.
How do you expect to win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket?
You mean like the 17-year old who plays for Wales and just scored in one World Cup qualifier and set up the winning goal in the next one?Yes exactly, but he's only 18 and he has to wait for that chance, people shouldn't expect him to get a chance or be the next big thing as he is just a kid.
Don't much too much pressure on Ponticelli, just compare him to one of his generations most exceptional talents!You mean like the 17-year old who plays for Wales
You mean like the 17-year old who plays for Wales and just scored in one World Cup qualifier and set up the winning goal in the next one?
Where would Wales be now if they didn't give him a chance because "He's just a kid"? Out of the World Cup is where they would be!
By the way, Ponticelli is 19 in three more days.
You can't compare a 17 year olds lack of appearances in the premiership with Liverpool, to a 19 year olds (19 on Sunday) lack of appearances for a mid table division 2 side! If a 19 year old fit, talented and keen to impress footballer can't make his mark at this level then he's in the wrong job!How many games has he played for Liverpool? Hasn't been in the squad yet this year.
Coleman has said that Woodburn wouldn't start a game for them because he's too young? He was only ever going to be used as an impact sub?
Not only that but woodburn had been part of the wales squad for the last 2 squads, and trained with the Liverpool first team for all of last season. To give him exposure.
He's also been at the Liverpool academy from 7 years old. Whereas ponticelli has been with us for 2 years.
That is why it is stupid comparing players.
I haven't said not to give him 10/15 minutes here and there. I am against starting him every game before he is ready. Or even bringing him into the first team before we have settled.
Stop wrapping him in cotton wool ffs and give him a chance.
You can't compare a 17 year olds lack of appearances in the premiership with Liverpool, to a 19 year olds (19 on Sunday) lack of appearances for a mid table division 2 side! If a 19 year old fit, talented and keen to impress footballer can't make his mark at this level then he's in the wrong job!
Stop wrapping him in cotton wool ffs and give him a chance.
Those players weren't in division 2! WHAT PART OF DIVISION 2 DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND!He choose to compare them not me?
He's in the wrong job? Just like jamie Vardy? Andre gray? Callum Wilson didn't make a mark until 22?
All players are different is my point. Some players develop early (woodburn) some develop later e.g. Vardy.
Robins is a professional football manager with over 400 games of managerial experience, plus 375 appearances as a striker so I think he knows what he's doing. And I think he has a better idea of how he will develop than you or I
No you are right, jamie Vardy and Andre gray were in Non-league you Moron It took them longer to develop what do you not understandThose players weren't in division 2! WHAT PART OF DIVISION 2 DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND!
Would you really like me to list all the teenagers who've made it in the premier league, or the champions league or who have played at international level?No you are right, jamie Vardy and Andre gray were in Non-league you Moron It took them longer to develop what do you not understand
I think that is exactly what people are doing. Jones is still only 19 now and was getting first team starts the season before last. It always seems we're happy for youngsters to play when we bring them in from other clubs, but those we develop ourselves it always seems 'too early'. Give the lad a chance, he must be chomping at the bit.
But how do we know that?Yes but Jones had already got a fair number of appearances under his belt. I agree that Ponticelli should be given opportunities, but don't see the need to rush him in with the expectation of goals weighing him down. You can see to a certain extent how a lack of confidence is affecting McNulty who is snatching at chances. It won't be much different with Ponticelli
After a remarkable season with the Under-18s, Jordan Ponticelli has continued his goalscoring form for City's Development side scoring four times in as many fixtures.
Robins has assured Ponticelli, and other youngsters within the squad that if they continue to perform they will get their chances this season.
He added: "Jordan is always in our plans, he just has to be patient and keep doing what he is doing. He is somebody that will, if he carries on doing what he is doing, be part of the squad this season.
"We work with him on a daily basis and he is getting better. We did a session with him at the start of the week and it looked like he was a little away from the group, but then the most recent session he got better.
"I am taking him with us and he is responding to that, so i'm confident that is he keeps his head down and works hard, which he has been doing, he won't be far away and it won't be too long either."
Would you really like me to list all the teenagers who've made it in the premier league, or the champions league or who have played at international level?
The point you seem unable to grasp (and trust me it's not difficult) is that unless we give ponticelli a chance, we will never know.
I can see it's pointless trying to talk common sense with you, so I'll not reply to you in future, except to say that when strachan intimated that fans no fuck all about football, I'm beginning to see what he meant.
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