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Points lost from winning positions (5 Viewers)

  • Thread starter prufrock
  • Start date Today at 7:35 AM
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prufrock

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  • Today at 7:35 AM
  • #1
Stolen from reddit but looking at who's near the top and bottom of this table is quite a revelation:

 
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Evo1883

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  • Today at 7:41 AM
  • #2
prufrock said:
Stolen from reddit but looking at who's near the top and bottom of this table is quite a revelation:

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Not great , needs sorting
 
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clint van damme

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  • Today at 7:43 AM
  • #3
Better hope we don't concede first Monday.
 
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rondog1973

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  • Today at 7:54 AM
  • #4
prufrock said:
Stolen from reddit but looking at who's near the top and bottom of this table is quite a revelation:

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Astonishing for a team at the top of the table
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Today at 8:13 AM
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That shows to me a huge mental weakness
 
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clint van damme

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  • Today at 8:15 AM
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Saddlebrains said:
That shows to me a huge mental weakness
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It's tactical as well. Look at the goals conceded v Preston and Charlton.

Absolute stupidity to leave yourself that open when you're 1 up.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Today at 8:34 AM
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clint van damme said:
Better hope we don't concede first Monday.
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To be fair, we can come back too; Charlton, Leicester, WBA, Millwall, Sheffield United, though obviously those stats are pretty damning.
 
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AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Today at 8:39 AM
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Evo1883 said:
Not great , needs sorting
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It’s not something that just changes overnight. 2/3 of our season like that is pretty damning,
 
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commissioner_gordon

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  • Today at 8:43 AM
  • #9
What terrible game management this is.
 

skybluelee

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  • Today at 8:43 AM
  • #10
clint van damme said:
It's tactical as well. Look at the goals conceded v Preston and Charlton.

Absolute stupidity to leave yourself that open when you're 1 up.
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And QPR and Norwich and Birmingham.
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Today at 8:43 AM
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clint van damme said:
Better hope we don't concede first Monday.
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That would be losing from a drawing position.
 

SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Today at 8:45 AM
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It’s a pretty damning statistic. Especially when you see where Middlesbrough and Ipswich are.
 

Ccfc_Addy

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  • Today at 10:57 AM
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It's well-trodden ground, but this lays out the consequences of Lampard not having a plan to grind out results away from home.

Burnley last season were an extreme but relevant example: To sustain a promotion campaign in this notoriously difficult league, sometimes you just need to get goals wherever they'll come and shithouse your way over the line.

I think a lot about the match against Charlton. Brau dropped a proper clanger, but why exactly was he left to defend a potential counter-attack on his own when we were winning??
 
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shmmeee

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  • Today at 11:04 AM
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TBF I think we’re second for points gained from a losing position but could be wrong. Can’t find anything but a sky report after Leicester claiming that
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Today at 11:09 AM
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clint van damme said:
It's tactical as well. Look at the goals conceded v Preston and Charlton.

Absolute stupidity to leave yourself that open when you're 1 up.
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Preston were down to 10 and Charlton are a pretty poor team and we had 25 minutes left theres no way we should have been sitting back and defending the lead in either of the situations. We should have put the game away 2 or 3 goals in both of these matches really either before or after conceding the equaliser.
 

clint van damme

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  • Today at 11:30 AM
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SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
Preston were down to 10 and Charlton are a pretty poor team and we had 25 minutes left theres no way we should have been sitting back and defending the lead in either of the situations. We should have put the game away 2 or 3 goals in both of these matches really either before or after conceding the equaliser.
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There's a compromise to be had between going for a 2nd goal and leaving Brau 1 v 1
 
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Jamesimus

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  • Today at 11:33 AM
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prufrock said:
looking at who's near the top and bottom of this table is quite a revelation
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I’m not sure this is a revelation to anyone?!

Still think when we’ve gone 1-0 up in away games we should have been shutting up shop. I know it doesn’t work but I think we’d be at least 6 points better off if we had of done that.
 
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Hincha

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  • Today at 11:38 AM
  • #18
Ccfc_Addy said:
It's well-trodden ground, but this lays out the consequences of Lampard not having a plan to grind out results away from home.

Burnley last season were an extreme but relevant example: To sustain a promotion campaign in this notoriously difficult league, sometimes you just need to get goals wherever they'll come and shithouse your way over the line.

I think a lot about the match against Charlton. Brau dropped a proper clanger, but why exactly was he left to defend a potential counter-attack on his own when we were winning??
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Burnley gave us absolutely nothing after Collins did his whoopsie

Leeds just countered our high line (& should’ve scored 5) after they went ahead

We continue to play as if it’s 0-0
 
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Ccfc_Addy

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  • Today at 11:39 AM
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SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
Preston were down to 10 and Charlton are a pretty poor team and we had 25 minutes left theres no way we should have been sitting back and defending the lead in either of the situations. We should have put the game away 2 or 3 goals in both of these matches really either before or after conceding the equaliser.
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See, this is where I disagree. Every point is precious when we're going for promotion and in situations where we're in the lead and on top away from home we should be prioritising protecting the lead over making it bigger. It might have been embarrassing at the time to see us shithousing whilst 1-0 up against 10 men but it wouldn't have felt as bad as letting in the equaliser did.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Today at 11:40 AM
  • #20
Saddlebrains said:
That shows to me a huge mental weakness
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Which is one of our biggest problems.
 

Londonccfcfan

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  • Today at 11:45 AM
  • #21
Saddlebrains said:
That shows to me a huge mental weakness
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So the opposite also applies when we win from losing positions?? Gotta be close to top of that chart.

Some of the logic on this board!
 

Londonccfcfan

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  • Today at 11:46 AM
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I assune we are close top of points won from losing positions.


What this shows we dont have much control in games.

They are end to end. We have nothing much in middle..its all attack or shit defence.
 

Hobo

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  • Today at 11:47 AM
  • #23
SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
Preston were down to 10 and Charlton are a pretty poor team and we had 25 minutes left theres no way we should have been sitting back and defending the lead in either of the situations. We should have put the game away 2 or 3 goals in both of these matches really either before or after conceding the equaliser.
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It’s not about sitting back. It’s about not being totally gun-ho and stupidly cavalier. Good teams will score 2 or 3. But also if they only score 1 it shouldn’t matter.
 
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xcraigx

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  • Today at 11:50 AM
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Londonccfcfan said:
I assune we are close top of points won from losing positions.


What this shows we dont have much control in games.

They are end to end. We have nothing much in middle..its all attack or shit defence.
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I make it 16 points gained from losing positions.
 
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prufrock

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  • Today at 11:58 AM
  • #25
Jamesimus said:
I’m not sure this is a revelation to anyone?!

Still think when we’ve gone 1-0 up in away games we should have been shutting up shop. I know it doesn’t work but I think we’d be at least 6 points better off if we had of done that.
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i mostly knew about us- although i didn't realise we were quite so bad, the revelation was seeing where Boro, Ipswich and Millwall were in comparison
 
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long way home

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  • Today at 12:48 PM
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Everyone looks for the reasons for a decline in results or performance. The coaches will be doing the same, change of formation, systems, players, training methods, speeches, and instructions. But as Jimmy Greaves said ,"its a funny old game" and he is right.

Everything is meant to be and over any period of time sport levels out. Analyze as much as you want and try to find a reason, excuse or an opinion on a solution. At the end of the day, its a game and things happen we cant explain sometimes what you do if not enough or someone does it better.

If we finish top 2 great, if not that's life and we get on and deal with it. Its in the players hands now, they have to get us over the line, if we get help with a few decisions and lady luck we'll take it.
 

Gint11

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  • Today at 12:49 PM
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long way home said:
Everyone looks for the reasons for a decline in results or performance. The coaches will be doing the same, change of formation, systems, players, training methods, speeches, and instructions. But as Jimmy Greaves said ,"its a funny old game" and he is right.

Everything is meant to be and over any period of time sport levels out. Analyze as much as you want and try to find a reason, excuse or an opinion on a solution. At the end of the day, its a game and things happen we cant explain sometimes what you do if not enough or someone does it better.

If we finish top 2 great, if not that's life and we get on and deal with it. Its in the players hands now, they have to get us over the line, if we get help with a few decisions and lady luck we'll take it.
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I like this
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 12:51 PM
  • #28
Londonccfcfan said:
I assune we are close top of points won from losing positions.


What this shows we dont have much control in games.

They are end to end. We have nothing much in middle..its all attack or shit defence.
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We are second - oddly Ipswich haven’t won a single game having conceded first
 
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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Today at 12:56 PM
  • #29
Hobo said:
It’s not about sitting back. It’s about not being totally gun-ho and stupidly cavalier. Good teams will score 2 or 3. But also if they only score 1 it shouldn’t matter.
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Yes, I would agree but I'm not sure playing 10 men Preston or against Charlton are good examples. I don't think we dropped points in those matches for being too attacking.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 1:05 PM
  • #30
prufrock said:
Stolen from reddit but looking at who's near the top and bottom of this table is quite a revelation:

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Middlesboro wow
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Today at 1:20 PM
  • #31
Saddlebrains said:
That shows to me a huge mental weakness
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This team has always had that problem.
 
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