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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #71
Sky Blue Goblin said:
Think all of the CBs have the problem that they seemingly have a mistake although not surprising due to the age of the lads.

Think without experience he’s the best shout with Thomas. But would still go all out for an experienced left sided cb
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Kitching is clearly just done here but I’d still want to see him in there until a better option is brought in. He also suffers from a lack of pace and being caught unawares much like Lati but at least has a left foot and more height.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #72
Sky Blue Goblin said:
Think all of the CBs have the problem that they seemingly have a mistake although not surprising due to the age of the lads.

Think without experience he’s the best shout with Thomas. But would still go all out for an experienced left sided cb
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Personally, I disagree and reckon it’ll end up being Kitching being brought in from the cold. I also felt that Lati and Thomas got in each other’s way yesterday and whilst it didn’t cause any issues per se, it just looked like they aren’t always on the same wavelength.

Where Lati compliments Thomas quite well is that he’s calmer on the ball and whenever Thomas has to do an advanced pass, it typically goes awry.

Totally agree on the need for an experienced CB, it’ll be a great benefit to the lot.
 
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skybluecam

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #73
jordan210 said:
2nd goal hr kept the defender busy
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kept the defender busy this is hilarious
 

jordan210

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #74
skybluecam said:
kept the defender busy this is hilarious
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watch it back he steps across the defender to keep space for the shot.
 

skybluecam

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #75


Lati in the TOTW! Whoscored HQ clearly still on the sauce!
 

Nuskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #76
Great result.

Eccles man of the match for a complete midfield performance, ably abetted by Sheaf who had a very good game.

EMC really is thriving under Lampard, looks unplayable at times.


How shit was the ref?
 

Nuskyblue

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #77
skybluecam said:
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Lati in the TOTW! Whoscored HQ clearly still on the sauce!
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Lati had a game, he IMO has looked improved under Lampard. Way more combative.
 
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rexo87

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #78
Sheaf was excellent, but one of the easiest games he will ever have with no pressure from Plymouth players on him. As someone else said I’d still get rid, absolute no balls about him when it gets a bit difficult
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #79
rexo87 said:
Sheaf was excellent, but one of the easiest games he will ever have with no pressure from Plymouth players on him. As someone else said I’d still get rid, absolute no balls about him when it gets a bit difficult
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What I’m quite certain of is that if Sheaf was in the position that Eccles found himself in for both of his goals, Sheaf would have looked to check and probably pass rather than shoot.

What we do know is that Lampard was the absolute player that Sheaf should be looking to emulate.

Maybe Eccles will really come on under a bit of Lampard tutoring. Maybe even Torp. It’ll be interesting to see.

We spend big money on nutritional analysis, performance analysis, physio, physical performance optimisation etc., I’m sure a bit of mindfulness and motivational intervention is worth a try. I think we’ve one or two players with “imposter syndrome”.

I’m ready for the laughing emojis, but Sims needs an intervention to deal with his issues and I think Sheaf needs something. Sheaf doesn’t believe in himself nor does Sims.

I remember reading Frank Bruno’s autobiography where he has hypnosis before big fights.

Anyway.

Sheaf
Sims
Collins
Dovin
Kitching (possibly)

All need some mental performance intervention.

That’s my take.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #80
The Philosopher said:
What I’m quite certain of is that if Sheaf was in the position that Eccles found himself in for both of his goals, Sheaf would have looked to check and probably pass rather than shoot.

What we do know is that Lampard was the absolute player that Sheaf should be looking to emulate.

Maybe Eccles will really come on under a bit of Lampard tutoring. Maybe even Torp. It’ll be interesting to see.

We spend big money on nutritional analysis, performance analysis, physio, physical performance optimisation etc., I’m sure a bit of mindfulness and motivational intervention is worth a try. I think we’ve one or two players with “imposter syndrome”.

I’m ready for the laughing emojis, but Sims needs an intervention to deal with his issues and I think Sheaf needs something. Sheaf doesn’t believe in himself nor does Sims.

I remember reading Frank Bruno’s autobiography where he has hypnosis before big fights.

Anyway.

Sheaf
Sims
Collins
Dovin
Kitching (possibly)

All need some mental performance intervention.

That’s my take.
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It sounds callous but perhaps it’s better to sign players who don’t need that in the first place.
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #81
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It sounds callous but perhaps it’s better to sign players who don’t need that in the first place.
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Or do so on the premise of developing said underperforming players to reach their potential?
 

SlowerThanPlatt

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #82
The Philosopher said:
What I’m quite certain of is that if Sheaf was in the position that Eccles found himself in for both of his goals, Sheaf would have looked to check and probably pass rather than shoot.

What we do know is that Lampard was the absolute player that Sheaf should be looking to emulate.

Maybe Eccles will really come on under a bit of Lampard tutoring. Maybe even Torp. It’ll be interesting to see.

We spend big money on nutritional analysis, performance analysis, physio, physical performance optimisation etc., I’m sure a bit of mindfulness and motivational intervention is worth a try. I think we’ve one or two players with “imposter syndrome”.

I’m ready for the laughing emojis, but Sims needs an intervention to deal with his issues and I think Sheaf needs something. Sheaf doesn’t believe in himself nor does Sims.

I remember reading Frank Bruno’s autobiography where he has hypnosis before big fights.

Anyway.

Sheaf
Sims
Collins
Dovin
Kitching (possibly)

All need some mental performance intervention.

That’s my take.
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Admire the out of box thinking but I think you look a bit too deeply into football. In the majority of cases the players who are more talented and can hold the levels longer play at the higher levels.
 
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vow

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #83
Rudoni was excellent, closing down, harrying oppo players, some great tackles, always wanting the ball, never shying away from working hard and had a hand in the fourth goal...everything you want really (apart from a goal!)

So I'm disagreeing with most of his ratings in the thread and giving him an 8.5
 
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rob9872

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #84
skybluecam said:
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8/8 duels won on the ground and in the air. 4/4 accurate long balls, 94% pass success rate 102 touches. I think we know who's really been on the sauce
 
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Nick

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #85
I thought Lati dealt with Andre Gray well, there were a couple of times when he was left one on one and I thought oh shit he's going to do him and be through on goal but he handled it.
 
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Chris1987

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #86
skybluecam said:
Well Thomas is still here. I rate him.
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I rate him but he's not PL standard.
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #87
Chris1987 said:
I rate him but he's not PL standard.
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Yet!

I think he'll become a really good defender. Not so sure if he'll his distribution out.
 
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Chris1987

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #88
clint van damme said:
Yet!

I think he'll become a really good defender. Not so sure if he'll his distribution out.
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If he sorts out that element then he's a PL quality defender
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #89
I think we'll be seeing a few more changes both in director's and coaches going forward, hope so anyway!
 

fatso

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #90
Nuskyblue said:
Lati had a game, he IMO has looked improved under Lampard. Way more combative.
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Has he improved since giving the second goal away against WBA?
 

Sbarcher

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #91
Chris1987 said:
If he sorts out that element then he's a PL quality defender
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I think the distribution role is now Sheaf's.
He was dropping right back to take the ball from defence and then create the forward move. A lot less of the passing sideways/backwards for this game.
 
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fatso

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #92
skybluecam said:
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Lati in the TOTW! Whoscored HQ clearly still on the sauce!
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Eccles 10/10.

The next big money making protege?
Could he bring in more than Hamer???

Still only 24! Played over 100 championship games, and now being coached by Frank Lampard and adding goals to his game! He's got to be £20million +
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #93
skybluecam said:
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Lati in the TOTW! Whoscored HQ clearly still on the sauce!
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He’s played in all our league clean sheets. Isn’t that the stat?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #94
shmmeee said:
He’s played in all our league clean sheets. Isn’t that the stat?
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All 4 of them yes.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #95
Brighton Sky Blue said:
All 4 of them yes.
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Still, that was the rationale for Kitching.
 

rob9872

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #96
Sbarcher said:
I think the distribution role is now Sheaf's.
He was dropping right back to take the ball from defence and then create the forward move. A lot less of the passing sideways/backwards for this game.
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Agree. Played like a quarterback role again.
 
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rob9872

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #97
shmmeee said:
Still, that was the rationale for Kitching.
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Nothing wrong with Kitching or Lati imo. With a solid keeper and LB, then MVE and our CB aren't half as bad as many like to make out.
 
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Nuskyblue

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #98
fatso said:
Has he improved since giving the second goal away against WBA?
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Generally, yes IMO.
 

hinckley cov

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  • Dec 27, 2024
  • #99
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Lati has got a mistake in him though, see WBA, Wolves in the FA Cup in particular spring to mind. There was that chance on the break for Plymouth yesterday where he’s let his man go because he was flat footed and was fortunate the ball hit the back of boots of the Plymouth player.

Yesterday was the kind of game well suited to Lati, we were ball dominant and frankly, didn’t have much to do defensively.
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You say Latis got a mistake in him how about Thomas his passing is awful at times , and against better sides than Plymouth will cost us , he needs to stick to defending.
 
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fatso

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  • Dec 28, 2024
  • #100
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Lati has got a mistake in him though, see WBA, Wolves in the FA Cup in particular spring to mind. There was that chance on the break for Plymouth yesterday where he’s let his man go because he was flat footed and was fortunate the ball hit the back of boots of the Plymouth player.

Yesterday was the kind of game well suited to Lati, we were ball dominant and frankly, didn’t have much to do defensively.
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I don't disagree, but he's still streets ahead of Binks, who is one of the worse CH's in the championship and should never, ever play for us ever again.

Binks just can't defend period. Woeful just doesn't even cut it.
 
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stupot07

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  • Dec 28, 2024
  • #101
shmmeee said:
He’s played in all our league clean sheets. Isn’t that the stat?
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He came on in 78th minutes against Blackburn in midfield for Sheaf.

BTA also played in all 4 clean sheet games.
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 28, 2024
  • #102
stupot07 said:
He came on in 78th minutes against Blackburn in midfield for Sheaf.

BTA also played in all 4 clean sheet games.
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To be clear I do not believe clean sheets is a relevant stat for an individual.
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Dec 28, 2024
  • #103
skybluecam said:
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Yeah deffo , as opposed to an online poster with an entrenched opinion
Lati was very good yesterday
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Dec 28, 2024
  • #104
hinckley cov said:
You say Latis got a mistake in him how about Thomas his passing is awful at times , and against better sides than Plymouth will cost us , he needs to stick to defending.
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This is true, my point regarding Lati was related to defending specifically. Thomas is our best defender and simultaneously the worst on the ball and it feels like he’s been told to play simpler passes.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Dec 28, 2024
  • #105
shmmeee said:
To be clear I do not believe clean sheets is a relevant stat for an individual.
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When you have a basic belief that a player isn’t a very good defender, how do you measure this exactly? There are a lot of immeasurable things in defending,

We have 3 defenders who have played in and around 40 games for us with 5 clean sheets, those players are:
JDS
Binks
Lati (more CS as a RB in half the games)

The others; MVE, Thomas, Kitching and Bidwell have closer to 20 in 60+ games which is a far better ratio. There comes a point where you have to consider that there’s something in that correlation.

It could be tactical but season we’ve conceded so many soft goals with errors, it’s unlikely to be just tactics. We need to get a CB in there who’s got experience and can guide these young CBs through games.
 
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