Great point, haven't we sold 2 promising plahers to man city and 1 x to man utd in recent years. I know we also sold to Everton as well a few years ago. If All of those lads had stayed rather than their family seeing the ££££ signs then one or two might have made the first team.Wasn't Isaac Moore really highly thought of? But then, I think, he had a string of injuries that have held him back.
Also the instant we seem to have a good youngest at 16 the likes of man city nab them up for pennies, so no surprise really that we don't see players coming through at that age.
Great point, haven't we sold 2 promising plahers to man city and 1 x to man utd in recent years. I know we also sold to Everton as well a few years ago. If All of those lads had stayed rather than their family seeing the ££££ signs then one or two might have made the first team.
That's why I believe our academy is actually very successful, but we just don't see the fruition of the work as top clubs nick our players at around 16. Nearly every summer we lose at least 1 young player to a premier league club. Now not all of them would have made the break through here but you would think at least a couple would have, then all over a sudden our academy looks better. Maybe we need to improve the facilities for our kids to make them want to stay.
Where I think there is an issue is the loan deals we make to send our U21 and U18 players out to gain experience. Loans to Scotland all seem ill fated, we need arrangements with clubs that are much nearer so the Academy staff can better monitor progress and provide support.That's why I believe our academy is actually very successful, but we just don't see the fruition of the work as top clubs nick our players at around 16. Nearly every summer we lose at least 1 young player to a premier league club. Now not all of them would have made the break through here but you would think at least a couple would have, then all over a sudden our academy looks better. Maybe we need to improve the facilities for our kids to make them want to stay.
You're probably right there nick.Could have all the facilities in the world but if Man Utd or Man City come knocking then sadly there's not much that can be done.
Pretty sure they class a successful academy is taking players and placing them in clubs to further their career.
For example Jay Mcgrath. Came from...mickleover? Now plays for a promotion chasing league two Doncaster.
Dinangra is at Shrewsbury
Drysdale at tranmere
That kind of thing. Whilst the hope is they make it here, 99% won't but they use it as a blueprint to future youth players, come join us and you could be a successful league 1-2 player minimum.
The best example is Sam McCallum I guess
Yes, used to go to all the reserves matches on a Tuesday night at Highfield Road and it was really interesting to see all the younger players coming through, and the ones knocking on the door. Also 1st team players coming back from injury. Remember seeing one reserves match when think it was the first time Peter Ndlovu played for us, also his brother Adam.Anyone miss reserve football (the stiffs) at least you could judge the kids against first team players and let those on the bench have a few minutes. I remember watching Bobby Gould coming on and scoring as a manager at Highfield Road and the Leigh Jenkinson step over …
I think so, he was in the recently relegated Norwich team by 19/20yo, their best player and one of the best in the Championship.Maddison Would they have got the chance now for example, where we are a club seemingly on the up and actively spending money on transfers?
I can remember seeing Willie Carr in a mist shrouded reserve game coming back from injury I guess. I can't remember if we even had to pay to get in, I was probably 14 or 15 at the time.Yes, used to go to all the reserves matches on a Tuesday night at Highfield Road and it was really interesting to see all the younger players coming through, and the ones knocking on the door. Also 1st team players coming back from injury. Remember seeing one reserves match when think it was the first time Peter Ndlovu played for us, also his brother Adam.
I think i'm right in saying that Sunderland have a Cat 1 academy (elite), and we have a Cat 2, so they will almost certainly attract better youth talent.I saw that Chris Rigg has already played 50 times in the championship. At 17 that’s a great achievement.
Have we got anyone coming through that is going to make it to the first team? I know Andrews and Dausch have been around the first team mostly as bench warmers but clearly they’re not at the level just yet.
Is there anyone currently in our youth setup that will break through?
Remember 20k gate under Jimmy Hill for reserves.Anyone miss reserve football (the stiffs) at least you could judge the kids against first team players and let those on the bench have a few minutes. I remember watching Bobby Gould coming on and scoring as a manager at Highfield Road and the Leigh Jenkinson step over …
It's the trajectory he's on too. It's 3 in 3 and their fans are saying if he stays fit he'll get another 10 the way he's going.I think Justin Obikwu will be in the reckoning next season.7 in 15 is decent. Just turned 21 as well.
Literally this. Scottish football is horrendous and quite literally the opposite of the football they play at academy level. Why we have sent our biggest prospect to Motherwell I will never know, especially as our last two prospects have been to Scotland and not really progressed.Where I think there is an issue is the loan deals we make to send our U21 and U18 players out to gain experience. Loans to Scotland all seem ill fated, we need arrangements with clubs that are much nearer so the Academy staff can better monitor progress and provide support.
Be better off in league twoLiterally this. Scottish football is horrendous and quite literally the opposite of the football they play at academy level. Why we have sent our biggest prospect to Motherwell I will never know, especially as our last two prospects have been to Scotland and not really progressed.
I don’t remember reading about Madders before he broke through at all. Seemed to go straight into the squad. Wilson aside (actually checked and he made his debut at 17) I kinda feel if they’re not pushing the squad at 16/17 then they’re probably not going to make it.
Obikwu looks the closest but it’s a long way from L2 to Champ as a striker.
Not sure what kind of compensation we have received for losing players to bigger clubs (that was the lad that went to United a few years ago as well, Irish sounding name) but presumably they provide a decent contribution to the running costs
Now in non LeagueMcCann?
Very surprised he's still at FGR. One of the best players in the Vanarama. Type of player that Peterborough normally pick up.Now in non League
McCann?
Now in non League
Obikwu’s goal on Saturday was sublime. You don’t see goals like that in League 2 very muchObikwu nowhere near good enough
Dausch a talent
He was due to go on a loan to a club in a higher league but got injured. Shows how much Grimsby valued him, taking him on loan when he was injured.I think Justin Obikwu will be in the reckoning next season.7 in 15 is decent. Just turned 21 as well.
How old is he? What position, full back or centre half?
How old is he? What position, full back or centre half?
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