Although a thread has opened up on this as it's centred on the Butts it's subjected to the usual irrelevant droning about ground capacity.
There is a strong suggestion from some sources that wasps are not prepared to be involved in any reasonable negotiation at all about our stay at the Ricoh. This, frankly, to me is entirely believable. There is no benefit at all for wasps to have a competitor there other than initially to prevent any negative publicity.
So, if true, the club is being forced out in two years. This would explain the current flurry around media activity as PR machines prepare to do battle. If rumours are true this is nothing to do with court cases or any other factor other than the fact Wasps want the Ricoh as a Rugby stadium alone and see no commercial advantage in the football club.
If this is the case will people's views change? Will those who defend wasps change views? Will people unite behind the club and actively demand the Butts project gets focus. If people really want a larger ground are they ok if this is 10-20 miles away.
As I said before worrying times.
Although a thread has opened up on this as it's centred on the Butts it's subjected to the usual irrelevant droning about ground capacity.
There is a strong suggestion from some sources that wasps are not prepared to be involved in any reasonable negotiation at all about our stay at the Ricoh. This, frankly, to me is entirely believable. There is no benefit at all for wasps to have a competitor there other than initially to prevent any negative publicity.
So, if true, the club is being forced out in two years. This would explain the current flurry around media activity as PR machines prepare to do battle. If rumours are true this is nothing to do with court cases or any other factor other than the fact Wasps want the Ricoh as a Rugby stadium alone and see no commercial advantage in the football club.
If this is the case will people's views change? Will those who defend wasps change views? Will people unite behind the club and actively demand the Butts project gets focus. If people really want a larger ground are they ok if this is 10-20 miles away.
As I said before worrying times.
A lot of conjecture there though.
If it has to be the Butts, it has to be the Butts, but unless it CAN be expanded I think we may be sentencing ourselves to a long term future in League One at the very best.
Of course it is right and proper for the club to explore every avenue and they should continue to do that even with the Butts on the table.
Would be interested to see what Wasps have to say in all this. All very schtum at the moment.
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Agree with all of the above, I think Wasps have already come out and said they want us to stay at the Ricoh, but understand we have to do what's best for us.
Maybe they don't want us to go but don't see a commercial advantage to having us there if they agree to all 17 points.
Anyone know what the 17 points are?
So wasps issue a bland press release saying they'd like us to stay and you'd believe that?
Frankly if your attitude is representative of the majority of fans we won't have a club in the City soon and we won't deserve one.
The Ricoh is the prize. Always has been. Always will be.
Agree with all of the above, I think Wasps have already come out and said they want us to stay at the Ricoh, but understand we have to do what's best for us.
Maybe they don't want us to go but don't see a commercial advantage to having us there if they agree to all 17 points.
Anyone know what the 17 points are?
Agree with all of the above, I think Wasps have already come out and said they want us to stay at the Ricoh, but understand we have to do what's best for us.
Maybe they don't want us to go but don't see a commercial advantage to having us there if they agree to all 17 points.
Anyone know what the 17 points are?
Didn't Wasps also promise Cov Rugby the world?
They can just spin whatever shit they want and it gets accepted, same as the council. People see them as against SISU, so it means they get the pass.
It's all the fans fault.
You never answered my question is the club no longer a cash cow for Wasps.
Also I just telling Otis what Wasps said, as he thought they have stayed quite over it all.
Like you I have no idea what their opinions are.
However it would be pretty silly to think they don't want CCFC at the Ricoh. We pay them money and they get half of our matchdays revenue.
Unless we are somehow costing them more than we make why wouldn't they want us there.
No.Didn't Wasps also promise Cov Rugby the world?
They can just spin whatever shit they want and it gets accepted, same as the council. People see them as against SISU, so it means they get the pass.
Although a thread has opened up on this as it's centred on the Butts it's subjected to the usual irrelevant droning about ground capacity.
There is a strong suggestion from some sources that wasps are not prepared to be involved in any reasonable negotiation at all about our stay at the Ricoh. This, frankly, to me is entirely believable. There is no benefit at all for wasps to have a competitor there other than initially to prevent any negative publicity.
So, if true, the club is being forced out in two years. This would explain the current flurry around media activity as PR machines prepare to do battle. If rumours are true this is nothing to do with court cases or any other factor other than the fact Wasps want the Ricoh as a Rugby stadium alone and see no commercial advantage in the football club.
If this is the case will people's views change? Will those who defend wasps change views? Will people unite behind the club and actively demand the Butts project gets focus. If people really want a larger ground are they ok if this is 10-20 miles away.
As I said before worrying times.
They will not want us there as they see us as a threat. How on earth of we a cash cow? They get a small rent and a high proportion of small margin food and beverage.
They want the Ricoh as I'm led to understand to be a home of rugby. They believe this will be commercially beneficial as it can lead to them having internationals if both sports and become a major venue as a home of rugby. The football club is a distraction in league one and if it's fortunes get better a major problem to the football as a sport having a stronger identity.
The negotiations are as I believe failing badly. Wasps want a huge increase in rent, no concessions at all on other incomes and an increase on rent if there is promotion. It's unworkable but they will of course issue a statement saying CCFC reject the offer and idiots like you will just swallow it.
I'm not being funny but you do seem a bit dumb at times. If I was running them I would want the club out especially as the public will accept the PR crap I then come out with. It's not about revenue on a small scale it's about mission statements of being the biggest club in Europe - that's not achieved if the spectre of a predator from a far bigger sport is lurking in the same nest.
As soon as you start calling people dumb and idiots
It's quite clear you are struggling and your point is a load of tosh.
Overnight you have gone from Wasps feeding off us and they can't survive with there plan unless we are part of it.
To them chasing us out the door because we are a threat to them.
As soon as you start calling people dumb and idiots
It's quite clear you are struggling and your point is a load of tosh.
Overnight you have gone from Wasps feeding off us and they can't survive with there plan unless we are part of it.
To them chasing us out the door because we are a threat to them.
Half? They got 85% of the F&Bs and 19 of the 24 homes games parking receipts. But this is more than about money to wasps this is about them building a brand and a fan base, they could write off what they earn from us by stealing 2-3k potential fan base and corning the market share of sponsorshipIt's all the fans fault.
You never answered my question is the club no longer a cash cow for Wasps.
Also I just telling Otis what Wasps said, as he thought they have stayed quite over it all.
Like you I have no idea what their opinions are.
However it would be pretty silly to think they don't want CCFC at the Ricoh. We pay them money and they get half of our matchdays revenue.
Unless we are somehow costing them more than we make why wouldn't they want us there.
What The high proportion of food and beverage is a small margin, that can't be rightThey will not want us there as they see us as a threat. How on earth of we a cash cow? They get a small rent and a high proportion of small margin food and beverage.
They want the Ricoh as I'm led to understand to be a home of rugby. They believe this will be commercially beneficial as it can lead to them having internationals if both sports and become a major venue as a home of rugby. The football club is a distraction in league one and if it's fortunes get better a major problem to the football as a sport having a stronger identity.
The negotiations are as I believe failing badly. Wasps want a huge increase in rent, no concessions at all on other incomes and an increase on rent if there is promotion. It's unworkable but they will of course issue a statement saying CCFC reject the offer and idiots like you will just swallow it.
I'm not being funny but you do seem a bit dumb at times. If I was running them I would want the club out especially as the public will accept the PR crap I then come out with. It's not about revenue on a small scale it's about mission statements of being the biggest club in Europe - that's not achieved if the spectre of a predator from a far bigger sport is lurking in the same nest.
What The high proportion of food and beverage is a small margin, that can't be right
Yep agree with this and I to would back a move, but we need to know what SISU have asked for .As you know, my attitude so far has not been anti-Wasps, because I think many of the arguments against them are based on false premises (I don’t propose to go through it all again).
However, if they take an unreasonable stance which forces CCFC out, yes I would change my mind. And (as I was saying quite a while back when everyone was dismissing the Butts as a fantasy), in those circumstances I would be happy to get behind a move to the city centre, providing the new ground befits our club.
Got to agree with you, worrying times indeed. Because while I’d like to see us in a stunning new stadium (20K+, fans tight to the pitch), I have zero confidence in our owners to deliver that. I fear it might be a cheap job and yet another amateur cock-up which takes us even further down.
One thing I definitely won't do is take the word of SISU.
This seems very odd. My question is: "Why would Wasps want to jettison a guaranteed revenue stream"? It does not make any commercial sense....especially as all operators of stadium want to maximise the usage.A lot of conjecture there though.
If it has to be the Butts, it has to be the Butts, but unless it CAN be expanded I think we may be sentencing ourselves to a long term future in League One at the very best.
Of course it is right and proper for the club to explore every avenue and they should continue to do that even with the Butts on the table.
Would be interested to see what Wasps have to say in all this. All very schtum at the moment.
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No they could release a statement revealing the 17 points asked for.So what will you believe? The articles in the Telegraph from wasps saying they had no choice?
As with everything I'll try and see what's been said by all side and try and judge what could be closest to the truth.No they could release a statement revealing the 17 points asked for.
But from past experience I won't take the word of SISU.
But I take it you will?
Yeah compas isn't it , they were here well before we left for Sixfields.Aren't we tied in to using certain suppliers as ACL have done deals with them, and received payment for those deals? That means they can charge us pretty much what they like as we can't go elsewhere so when, for example, we buy F&B in for corporate there is little room to add a margin.
Exactly some on here aren't convinced they can survive what with the huge bond repayment'sThis seems very odd. My question is: "Why would Wasps want to jettison a guaranteed revenue stream"? It does not make any commercial sense....especially as all operators of stadium want to maximise the usage.
I'm not even gonna answer that . LOLAs with everything I'll try and see what's been said by all side and try and judge what could be closest to the truth.
This seems very odd. My question is: "Why would Wasps want to jettison a guaranteed revenue stream"? It does not make any commercial sense....especially as all operators of stadium want to maximise the usage.
Half? They got 85% of the F&Bs and 19 of the 24 homes games parking receipts. But this is more than about money to wasps this is about them building a brand and a fan base, they could write off what they earn from us by stealing 2-3k potential fan base and corning the market share of sponsorship
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Exactly - I cannot see any viable reason why Wasps would want CCFC to cease being a tenant. There is a minimal cost to Wasps by CCFC sharing the stadium.It would be very silly of them to do that.
Just because negotiations are not going well.
That does not translate into Wasos want us out no matter what.
Are we really a threat to them, are we stealing potential rugby fans off them or commercial deals.
If we go elsewhere isn't that then a reality that we may? As oppose to if we do it whikst at the Ricoh they get something out of it as well.
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