Penalties (1 Viewer)

Old Warwickshire lad · Oct 27, 2022

Dont want to start an uproar,or get cyber warriors threats, just a reasonable discussion .
Both our penalty takers (Godden, Waghorn ? ) seem to be out for a while.
While I admire Vik for stepping up and taking it Tuesday, it really wasn’t a good spot kick.
Down the middle,and not struck to well.
We know he doesn’t strike the ball cleanly on a regular basis.
Now maybe he saw the keeper going to where he was going to put it, and did a last second change and just stroked it down the middle. But I am not so sure.
So who else we got? Hamer, Shieff, Bidwell?
Not knocking Vik, just Interested in what others think.

shmmeee · Oct 27, 2022

Got to be Hamer surely. Said as much Tuesday night, hits a ball cleaner than anyone else.

Gint11 · Oct 27, 2022

I always want strikers first. They are supposed to be the ones in the team that can finish.

Bugsy · Oct 27, 2022

Step up B.Wilson, smash that stanchion son.

PVA · Oct 27, 2022

Probably would prefer Hamer I guess but Gyokeres deserves to take them now until he misses one.

ceetee · Oct 27, 2022

I don't mind hitting them straight because mostly a keeper will dive, but it's risky and he was lucky as it was too low and nearly hit the GKs trailing leg.

steve cooper · Oct 27, 2022

I doubt if vik has practised penalties much as he is well down the order, especially after the one he missed against Barnsley last season.
He will be OK with a bit of practice.

twistandshout · Oct 27, 2022

Ive never seen him take a penalty but McFaz gives me killer vibes and he was an awesome penalty taker.

Terry Gibson's perm · Oct 27, 2022

Bidwell strikes the ball cleanly.

rhino1002 · Oct 27, 2022

twistandshout said:
Ive never seen him take a penalty but McFaz gives me killer vibes and he was an awesome penalty taker.

You obviously didn't see the penalty shoot out against Brum at St Andrews in the cup replay during our exile there

larry_david · Oct 27, 2022

Vik is on them now til he misses, in my opinion (I've got him top scorer in the league)

edgy · Oct 27, 2022

Little confidence in Vik taking pens. He doesn't appear confident with them either.

Always suprises me Hamer isn't grabbing the ball.

skyblueelephant76 · Oct 27, 2022

Warwickshire lad said:
Dont want to start an uproar,or get cyber warriors threats, just a reasonable discussion .
Both our penalty takers (Godden, Waghorn ? ) seem to be out for a while.
While I admire Vik for stepping up and taking it Tuesday, it really wasn’t a good spot kick.
Down the middle,and not struck to well.
We know he doesn’t strike the ball cleanly on a regular basis.
Now maybe he saw the keeper going to where he was going to put it, and did a last second change and just stroked it down the middle. But I am not so sure.
So who else we got? Hamer, Shieff, Bidwell?
Not knocking Vik, just Interested in what others think.

He waited for the keeper to move then put it down the middle. He knows the goalkeeper from the Sweden youth squads so it was all mind games.

It was a pressure penalty in injury time to rescue a point and he scored - he'll be taking the next one whilst the others are out.

Sky Blue Pete · Oct 27, 2022

ceetee said:
I don't mind hitting them straight because mostly a keeper will dive, but it's risky and he was lucky as it was too low and nearly hit the GKs trailing leg.

If he’d hit it well it would have hit the keepers leg

rob9872 · Oct 27, 2022

Lot of pressure on that one Tuesday. Last minute, losing and missed the one v Barnsley that cost us. If it went wrong confidence could have been shattered. I imagine that will give him a big boost, especially on limited chances as a lone striker, so I'd stick with him now.

More interestingly for me is that we're actually getting some now, that's 3 this season. We some terrible decisions not given last season after Goddens dive, almost a collective that we weren't getting anything all season thereafter.

Fwiw I also thought the decision on Tuesday was another soft one and would've been disappointed if that had gone against us at 2-1 up last minute. Nice yo see us getting a few important decisions lately, we're long overdue.

edgy · Oct 27, 2022

He clearly meant to chip it down the middle. But didnt get the lift he intended to. Would be very unwise technique to "pass" the ball centrally, if you are expecting the GK to dive. Far more chance of it hitting his legs.

It wasn't a good pen. But he scored and I suppose that's all that counts.

and it was 100% a penalty, no question about it.

Marty · Oct 27, 2022

Hamer, Bidwell, Panzo and Doyle would be ahead of Gyokeres. Tbf most of the squad strike it cleaner then Vik.

lord_garrincha · Oct 27, 2022

Off tangent, but the strangest one was Dion. He had been here for a few years until he stepped up against Man Utd. Kept going the same way, then Bramall Lane happened, then went the other way.

Guessing it's Gyok until he misses... which won't be long if he takes them like the previous 2!

kg82 · Oct 27, 2022

Safest place to go is down the middle!

edgy · Oct 27, 2022

kg82 said:
Safest place to go is down the middle!

Interesting research on it: Pen Stats

wingy · Oct 27, 2022

Requires some discussion between the squad, management and coaching.

shmmeee · Oct 27, 2022

edgy said:
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Interesting research on it: Pen Stats

So basically go down the middle if you’re a coward. More likely to be saved but unlikely to miss or hit the post so you can blame the keeper.

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee · Oct 27, 2022

shmmeee said:
So basically go down the middle if you’re a coward. More likely to be saved but unlikely to miss or hit the post so you can blame the keeper.

Fairly sure there is a stat (that I hope someone can find for me) that is something like "A keeper will dive 98% of the time after the 80th minute". I have made the numbers up but it's a very high %. I think it was in Inverting the Pyramid or another of Jonathan Wilson's books. I know a keeper can still save it with their feet in that instance but there is a statistical basis saying going down the middle is the best bet late in a game.

Sick Boy · Oct 27, 2022

larry_david said:
Vik is on them now til he misses, in my opinion (I've got him top scorer in the league)

Waghorn should be first choice or playing, his penalty vs Sheff u was quality.

steve cooper · Oct 27, 2022

The trouble with hitting them down the middle, you need to vary it a bit, otherwise the keeper will just stand there.

kg82 · Oct 27, 2022

edgy said:
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Interesting research on it: Pen Stats

Yeah, I wrote those stats for keepers of other teams

coop · Oct 27, 2022

He will miss the next one as I'm sure he has put the last two down the middle.

Johhny Blue · Oct 27, 2022

The only way I would ever trust Gyokores to take another penalty is if the ref lets a couple of defenders have a handful of his shirt during his run up.

Bugsy · Oct 27, 2022

coop said:
He will miss the next one as I'm sure he has put the last two down the middle.

nothing like having some optimism and faith for our players who we support...PUSB

AOM · Oct 27, 2022

Reckon Bidwell could take a good pen. Think he takes the free kicks and corners in Hamer's absence

coop · Oct 27, 2022

Bugsy said:
nothing like having some optimism and faith for our players who we support...PUSB

Hope he scores everyone but Just think he doesn't look confident when taking them and Tuesday even when the keeper dived he got his foot to it.I will back him all the way he has probably practiced them this week as our two normal penalty takers are injured.

Old Warwickshire lad · Oct 27, 2022

coop said:
Hope he scores everyone but Just think he doesn't look confident when taking them and Tuesday even when the keeper dived he got his foot to it.I will back him all the way he has probably practiced them this week as our two normal penalty takers are injured.

Feel the same, hope he has done some serious practicing this week.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Oct 27, 2022

Elliot Ward.

That hair as well. Fuck me.

Alkhen · Oct 27, 2022

Get Vik on extra pen training. Can't be that hard to coach atleast the technical side. Tuesdays was a a poor effort that trickled in, you can't reproduce the pressure but I'm sure you can help him hit it cleaner

Johhny Blue · Oct 27, 2022

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Elliot Ward.

That hair as well. Fuck me.

That’s exactly who came to my mind after that penalty

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