The Philosopher
Well-Known Member
It might just be me but England under Southgate became boring with constantly passing backwards. No one wanted to lose the ball or try anything daring.
Since the various spreadsheet analysis team came in to CCFC a year or so ago we seem to have become a lot more constrained and likely to pass backwards, even late on in the game when we need to have a hail-Mary go at it.
Do the players get taken through their performances after matches and scored on their “passes completed”, “retained possession”, “progression opportunity outcome move” or whatever and is that impacting the style of play?
Eg.
I think Sheaf is a great player. I bet his stats are amazing in terms of completed passes. I bet he gets good stats for “passes completed in attacking areas such as outside penalty box”, he would do, because he doesn’t shoot as often as he should and prefers to lay off.
I bet O’Hare had relatively poor stats, he was more likely to try and run and get a foul in a dangerous area. This might have led to a high stat for “possession lost”
Is over analysis of player statistics reducing creativity?
Were things like stats a factor in not breaking the bank to keep O’Hare? Did DK get presented with “stats” and feel that O’Hare flattered to deceive? Would we have been better to spend and extra £4m on O’Hare’s wages and have him as an asset on the pitch and on the books rather than EMC?
We seem to try to complete loads of little passes around our own defence more and more as time goes on.
The attacking, free flowing game that used to play has become more and more restricted.
Some of our recruiting seems totally bizarre, it wouldn’t surprise me if Kitching had great “stats” at Barnsley - I can’t see a £4m defender there, personally. Do the scouting team spend as much time actually watching players as they should?
I can’t see Ady and Big Dennis will have been big fans of the DK methods of scouting by spreadsheet or selection by stats. I had them down as old fashioned football guys. MR seemed to have less input as time went on into recruiting.
It was interesting to hear the DK interview about the “deck”. It’s almost as though he sees players as football top-trump cards; “possession 88, passing completed 75, zonal adherence 91, age-to-potential profit rating, £6m”. Etc.
I do agree that some decent analysis is worthwhile.
Have we become a club of over-analysis though or is that just tin-foil-hat deduction?
Any ITK have any feedback from players / staff, present / past who have suggested this?
Genuinely curious.
Since the various spreadsheet analysis team came in to CCFC a year or so ago we seem to have become a lot more constrained and likely to pass backwards, even late on in the game when we need to have a hail-Mary go at it.
Do the players get taken through their performances after matches and scored on their “passes completed”, “retained possession”, “progression opportunity outcome move” or whatever and is that impacting the style of play?
Eg.
I think Sheaf is a great player. I bet his stats are amazing in terms of completed passes. I bet he gets good stats for “passes completed in attacking areas such as outside penalty box”, he would do, because he doesn’t shoot as often as he should and prefers to lay off.
I bet O’Hare had relatively poor stats, he was more likely to try and run and get a foul in a dangerous area. This might have led to a high stat for “possession lost”
Is over analysis of player statistics reducing creativity?
Were things like stats a factor in not breaking the bank to keep O’Hare? Did DK get presented with “stats” and feel that O’Hare flattered to deceive? Would we have been better to spend and extra £4m on O’Hare’s wages and have him as an asset on the pitch and on the books rather than EMC?
We seem to try to complete loads of little passes around our own defence more and more as time goes on.
The attacking, free flowing game that used to play has become more and more restricted.
Some of our recruiting seems totally bizarre, it wouldn’t surprise me if Kitching had great “stats” at Barnsley - I can’t see a £4m defender there, personally. Do the scouting team spend as much time actually watching players as they should?
I can’t see Ady and Big Dennis will have been big fans of the DK methods of scouting by spreadsheet or selection by stats. I had them down as old fashioned football guys. MR seemed to have less input as time went on into recruiting.
It was interesting to hear the DK interview about the “deck”. It’s almost as though he sees players as football top-trump cards; “possession 88, passing completed 75, zonal adherence 91, age-to-potential profit rating, £6m”. Etc.
I do agree that some decent analysis is worthwhile.
Have we become a club of over-analysis though or is that just tin-foil-hat deduction?
Any ITK have any feedback from players / staff, present / past who have suggested this?
Genuinely curious.