Match Thread Oxford United (H) [LC] 27 Aug 7:45pm KO (12 Viewers)

2024/25 League 1 Champs? · Aug 27, 2024

bearing in mind we were playing an Oxford 2nd string in a Mickey Mouse cup that nobody really cares about if we’re being honest….

Eccles was poor, too many mistakes, poor passes, once in particular lost the ball, gave up the chase back then threw his hands up and blamed Lats after he’d got him out the shit. EMC was average on the right, much better on the left, Lati isn’t a RB, BTA looked lively and willing to shoot - better in the centre I thought, KP very good, JDS was great, and when MVE, Tats and Sheaf came on they stood out head and shoulders above - Norm played well too

Sheaf to start on the weekend, hopefully alongside Rudoni, and I guess Torp or KP a bit further forward, although to be fair EMC or BTA could possibly both play there too at a push

Perennial Lurker · Aug 27, 2024

2024/25 League 1 Champs? said:
bearing in mind we were playing an Oxford 2nd string in a Mickey Mouse cup that nobody really cares about if we’re being honest….

Eccles was poor, too many mistakes, poor passes, once in particular lost the ball, gave up the chase back then threw his hands up and blamed Lats after he’d got him out the shit. EMC was average on the right, much better on the left, Lati isn’t a RB, BTA looked lively and willing to shoot - better in the centre I thought, KP very good, JDS was great, and when MVE, Tats and Sheaf came on they stood out head and shoulders above - Norm played well too

Sheaf to start on the weekend, hopefully alongside Rudoni, and I guess Torp or KP a bit further forward, although to be fair EMC or BTA could possibly both play there too at a push

Eccles was the only player playing it forward first half

2024/25 League 1 Champs? · Aug 27, 2024

Perennial Lurker said:
Eccles was the only player playing it forward first half

not sure I can entirely agree with that - and if the ball doesn’t go to one of our players it’s a fairly irrelevant point anyway…

KP, and even Allen were pretty progressive with their passes, and the centre halves were also playing some pretty decent balls forward too

Incognitocov · Aug 27, 2024

Perennial Lurker said:
Really? You thought Thomas looked good tonight ?
He looks low on confidence and his passing is so erratic.

According to FOTMOB app he made the most accurate passes of any player. His accuracy was the same as the whole team (86%). Just 2% higher than Sheaf.

larry_david · Aug 27, 2024

Eccles played alot of successful forward passes. I liked what I saw. Ironically the one time he reverted back to this old self of safe sideways he gave it away completely. He did win it back though

Perennial Lurker · Aug 27, 2024

2024/25 League 1 Champs? said:
not sure I can entirely agree with that - and if the ball doesn’t go to one of our players it’s a fairly irrelevant point anyway…

KP, and even Allen were pretty progressive with their passes, and the centre halves were also playing some pretty decent balls forward too

Eccles played a lot of threatening balls first half , Allen linked up well and KP was trying to break down Oxford . Eccles really wasn't poor at all

Perennial Lurker · Aug 27, 2024

Incognitocov said:
According to FOTMOB app he made the most accurate passes of any player. His accuracy was the same as the whole team (86%). Just 2% higher than Sheaf.

I don't do stats or claim to know much about the data side but I would guess the majority of his successful passes were to Kitching

long way home · Aug 27, 2024

Sheaf changes everything, you will see everyone around him look taller. You could see Torp and Mason Clark look different. Its great to have him back, get another player in of the same level we will be a scary squad.

Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon · Aug 27, 2024

Warwickhunt said:
Reminded me of Viktor when he first came here on loan

Said very very similar to my mate after the game. He hasnt got the same brute power as Gyokores but maybe as he fills out a bit more that might develop. He certainly looks a promising signing and looks confident running at defenders

Perennial Lurker · Aug 27, 2024

long way home said:
Sheaf changes everything, you will see everyone around him look taller. You could see Torp and Mason Clark look different. Its great to have him back, get another player in of the same level we will be a scary squad.

Said that about Torp . It looked like he grew 6 inches alongside Sheaf and tackled hard , tracked back and made himself available more

itsabuzzard · Aug 27, 2024

Incognitocov said:
According to FOTMOB app he made the most accurate passes of any player. His accuracy was the same as the whole team (86%). Just 2% higher than Sheaf.

Am I mis-reading this? Surely if his accuracy was the same as the whole team i.e. the team average, then there must be someone in the team with a higher accuracy?

2024/25 League 1 Champs? · Aug 27, 2024

Perennial Lurker said:
Eccles played a lot of threatening balls first half , Allen linked up well and KP was trying to break down Oxford . Eccles really wasn't poor at all

agree to disagree - I thought, considering the team we were up against, I expected a lot more, but that’s just my opinion, I didn’t rate his performance tonight and thought he was the poorest player in our team noticeably

Perennial Lurker · Aug 27, 2024

2024/25 League 1 Champs? said:
agree to disagree - I thought, considering the team we were up against, I expected a lot more, but that’s just my opinion, I didn’t rate his performance tonight and thought he was the poorest player in our team noticeably

That's fair enough .
Oxford were set up to not concede though , first half they were sitting so deep . It was difficult for anyone to find a progressive pass at times

skybluecam · Aug 27, 2024

Perennial Lurker said:
Are you and Grendel related ? You have a really weird obsession with putting Lati down constantly.
Lati is playing better than Thomas at this stage of the season

Don’t have an obsession, just don’t think Lati is good enough on the ball for the level we’re aiming to be.

AFCCOVENTRY · Aug 27, 2024

Incognitocov · Aug 27, 2024

itsabuzzard said:
Am I mis-reading this? Surely if his accuracy was the same as the whole team i.e. the team average, then there must be someone in the team with a higher accuracy?

Yes, there were several whose % was higher - but they made less passes.

Perennial Lurker · Aug 27, 2024

skybluecam said:
Don’t have an obsession, just don’t think Lati is good enough on the ball for the level we’re aiming to be.

That's fair and I tend to agree .
Like I said I don't sit in a camp that just doesn't like a player . Thomas is struggling currently in my opinion and Lati has been playing better centrally. Robins obviously trusts him to as he makes him captain.
Personally want to see Thomas and Kitching back to last season's highs as on form they are our best two centre backs

Hutch11 · Aug 27, 2024

Eccles was a lot better 1st half than 2nd but was still slagged by the usual at ht

wingy · Aug 27, 2024

Both were signed before the new recruitment team weren't they?

pusbccfc · Aug 27, 2024

Another clean sheet from Wilson. 2 in 2 for him.

He must have the best clean sheet to performance ratio of any keeper in our history.

CCFCSteve · Aug 27, 2024

Hutch11 said:
Eccles was a lot better 1st half than 2nd but was still slagged by the usual at ht

People just don’t see any good stuff he does he was a lot more progressive with his passing, one or two poor passes (even sheaf does that) but looked like he took responsibility to try to drive team forward which he’s got to do more

Bassette very lively, first impressions are he really could be some signing and Mason Clark a lot better when he switched wings. Kitching is the centre half we need as long as he maintains discipline. He’s the organiser/leader we’ve been missing however well Binks has played this season

2024/25 League 1 Champs? · Aug 27, 2024

Hutch11 said:
Eccles was a lot better 1st half than 2nd but was still slagged by the usual at ht

I think the thing is, that is a game he really needs to be dominating if he’s to be taken seriously as a first choice top quality midfielder, and yet he didn’t - and that’s against a poor side’s second string, yet as soon as Sheaf came on there was a massive noticeable difference, not only in terms of the player’s performance, but also those around him

There were some people here saying Eccles is on a par with / better than Sheaf, and Eccles would walk into most championship teams / lower league prem etc…. not on that performance.

I like the kid but he does need to improve and become far more consistent

rob9872 · Aug 27, 2024

We were conformable, they were poor, but we still could have paid for it on another day. Really need to kill teams off.

Perennial Lurker · Aug 27, 2024

2024/25 League 1 Champs? said:
I think the thing is, that is a game he really needs to be dominating if he’s to be taken seriously as a first choice top quality midfielder, and yet he didn’t - and that’s against a poor side’s second string, yet as soon as Sheaf came on there was a massive noticeable difference, not only in terms of the player’s performance, but also those around him

There were some people here saying Eccles is on a par with / better than Sheaf, and Eccles would walk into most championship teams / lower league prem etc…. not on that performance.

I like the kid but he does need to improve and become far more consistent

To be fair Eccles started with our second string and Sheaf came on late with more of the first team players on the pitch .
And I wouldn't ever suggest he starts for another top 6 side but if was available I reckon most would come in for him

shepardo01 · Aug 27, 2024

Robins more critical of the players so far this season (tonight again)than I have ever heard him.
Is he feeling a bit of pressure?
Reading between the lines, players aren't doing/or can't do what he wants them to do.
Worth a listen again on CWR.

nunchuckas · Aug 27, 2024

Perennial Lurker said:
That's fair and I tend to agree .
Like I said I don't sit in a camp that just doesn't like a player . Thomas is struggling currently in my opinion and Lati has been playing better centrally. Robins obviously trusts him to as he makes him captain.
Personally want to see Thomas and Kitching back to last season's highs as on form they are our best two centre backs

My theory on Lati is Robins is using him more at the moment for his leadership, as he's an experienced talker and organiser from his youth career at Man City. Particularly at a time when we have new players and are trying to play a new system. He used him a lot at the start of last season too when we had loads of new signings. Once everyone has settled down into the club and new system, and with Sheaf back fully I'm sure he'll revert back to using Thomas more in that position.

Perennial Lurker · Aug 27, 2024

shepardo01 said:
Robins more critical of the players so far this season (tonight again)than I have ever heard him.
Is he feeling a bit of pressure?
Reading between the lines, players aren't doing/or can't do what he wants them to do.
Worth a listen again on CWR.

I think he's trying to put the emphasis on the players . He wants them to be braver , be more cohesive and play on the front foot .
Doesn't sound to me like he is under pressure, sounds the opposite if I'm honest

Mucca Mad Boys · Aug 27, 2024

I know the contexts are different and it’s not a 100% fair comparison… it is interesting that we kept 2 clean sheets with Thomas and Kitching in the same fixtures Lati and Binks conceded 3 goals.

It must certainly be food for thought with Robins.

Perennial Lurker · Aug 27, 2024

Mucca Mad Boys said:
I know the contexts are different and it’s not a 100% fair comparison… it is interesting that we kept 2 clean sheets with Thomas and Kitching in the same fixtures Lati and Binks conceded 3 goals.

It must certainly be food for thought with Robins.

Both Kitching and DaSilva must be very close to starting against Norwich

Mucca Mad Boys · Aug 27, 2024

Perennial Lurker said:
Both Kitching and DaSilva must be very close to starting against Norwich

Not 100% on JDS but Kitching absolutely. Thomas can consider himself unlucky because for all his bad distribution v Stoke, defensively I thought he was better than Binks.

Binks is our youngest defender and feel he could develop into a top Championship / decent Prem CB. Atm, I feel like he’s our weakest defender alongside Lati.

There’s not enough data to hand to back this up, but the ‘eye test’ through my lense is that Thomas and Kitching deal with threats more decisively.

Perennial Lurker · Aug 27, 2024

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Not 100% on JDS but Kitching absolutely. Thomas can consider himself unlucky because for all his bad distribution v Stoke, defensively I thought he was better than Binks.

Binks is our youngest defender and feel he could develop into a top Championship / decent Prem CB. Atm, I feel like he’s our weakest defender alongside Lati.

There’s not enough data to hand to back this up, but the ‘eye test’ through my lense is that Thomas and Kitching deal with threats more decisively.

For me Kitching is , and always has been , our best centre back by some distance.
He finished last season poorly admittedly but before that he was sublime.
I just hope Thomas gets up to speed sooner rather than later

fernandopartridge · Aug 28, 2024

Interesting how poor Ebeowi was for Oxford tonight, looked nothing like the player who had that decent cameo for Derby

fernandopartridge · Aug 28, 2024

2024/25 League 1 Champs? said:
I think the thing is, that is a game he really needs to be dominating if he’s to be taken seriously as a first choice top quality midfielder, and yet he didn’t - and that’s against a poor side’s second string, yet as soon as Sheaf came on there was a massive noticeable difference, not only in terms of the player’s performance, but also those around him

There were some people here saying Eccles is on a par with / better than Sheaf, and Eccles would walk into most championship teams / lower league prem etc…. not on that performance.

I like the kid but he does need to improve and become far more consistent

He was good tonight, not sure what game you were watching really. Sheaf is better than Eccles but it was Allen that was the issue prior to that, not Eccles.

junglej13 · Aug 28, 2024

Haven't read the whole thread but it's encouraging to have a real squad shaping up. Inevitably it probably makes it harder for a best XI to stand out which may mean we take a while to build up any fluidity. Obviously Sheaf will help that. One comment on Mason Clark, I'm not convinced we will see the best of him on the right. Most of his goals I saw for Peterborough were cutting in from the left and hitting it with his right foot.

hinckley cov · Aug 28, 2024

no_loyalty said:
A fairly comfortable night in the end, Wilson was a spectator. Great to see Ben Sheaf getting some minutes, hopefully starting on Saturday.

I know we need sheaf but it might be to soon for him to start a game , we don’t want him breaking down again.

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