OVER THE BAR AND FAR AWAY - How Do They Miss ??? (2 Viewers)

[johnniericoh]

Forum a bit crowded on the takeover scene at the moment (quite rightly so of course) but just thought I'd bring to everyones attention and a pet concern of mine to that of highly paid professioal foobballers who just cannot keep the ball down when shooting at goal.

Never mind CCFC but looking at recent matches on the box a significant number of shots are blasted over the bar from advantageous positions in open play and also deadball situations ie freekicks and penalties.

Just what is the matter with these guys - they supposedly train five days per week and play regularly two games per week but still the ball lands in row ZZ.

Perleeeez don't blame the ball - it's been around for some time now and clubs have had plenty of time to adjust and practice

For the most blatant misses I would levy a fine to be paid to charity in an effort to get these primadonnas to carry out one of the most basic but essential skills that of finding the back of the net to score goals and win football matches.

They should be totally ashamed of themselves and shouldn't be sleeping at night with their consciences playing on their overpaid minds and should get out on that training ground and practice till it hurts.

ps
I have not even included those shots on goal that end up as throwins !!!

THoughts ???

PUSB

 

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[ajsccfc]

Mentions of 'highly paid' 'overpaid' and 'primadonnas' suggest your real issue.

Footballers are humans, not robots. They'll miss shots, mistime tackles, hit passes off target. The best players are those who get it right more than others, but none are perfect.

If someone misses a decent chance to score, I can guarantee you it's not because there's no current threat to give their money to charity.

 

[kg82]

Mentions of 'highly paid' 'overpaid' and 'primadonnas' suggest your real issue.

Footballers are humans, not robots. They'll miss shots, mistime tackles, hit passes off target. The best players are those who get it right more than others, but none are perfect.

If someone misses a decent chance to score, I can guarantee you it's not because there's no current threat to give their money to charity.

Couldn't agree more. Even the best footballers hit shots over the bar, scuff them or misplace passes. It's not a crime! It's not as if it's a new phenomonon either, it's happened since the day football was invented - even with the heavy balls!

 

[Gray]

head and body over the ball keep it down...............leaning back ball goes high


theres your answer in a nut shell

 

[johnniericoh]

Mentions of 'highly paid' 'overpaid' and 'primadonnas' suggest your real issue.

Footballers are humans, not robots. They'll miss shots, mistime tackles, hit passes off target. The best players are those who get it right more than others, but none are perfect.

If someone misses a decent chance to score, I can guarantee you it's not because there's no current threat to give their money to charity.

Ah but ajsccfc I am not talking about Sunday pub teams here but players on 150K+ per week who should be delivering a quality to justify that remuneration - if not, "extra training for you my lad"

Really, some of the missesare abysmal and show complete lack of professionalism and in my book that is totally unacceptable.

PUSB

 

[Sky Blue Sheepy]

I think another thing to note is just how light the balls are nowadays. The improvement in ball technology makes them so much lighter - hence why there was issues with the balls at the World Cup - even the slightest of imperfections in the balls shape will be amplified by wind/air resistance, making them curve/spin more erratically. It's why a lot of our goals are being scored side footed atm - the side of the foot is curved inwards, allowing the shots to struck with much more precision;toe pokes will often go sky high.

 

[johnniericoh]

head and body over the ball keep it down...............leaning back ball goes high


theres your answer in a nut shell

Says it all - so what do they do in training - this surely is a basic part of the game a 10 yearold would fully understand

PUSB

 

[kg82]

Ah but ajsccfc I am not talking about Sunday pub teams here but players on 150K+ per week who should be delivering a quality to justify that remuneration - if not, "extra training for you my lad"

Really, some of the missesare abysmal and show complete lack of professionalism and in my book that is totally unacceptable.

PUSB

I think that's why there's a league pyramid, and within the seperate leagues there are better teams and worse teams. As you go down the leagues the standard of team and a lot of the time, footballer, get worse. It's nothing to do with the money they're on, it doesn't even mean they're bad players. It just means they make mistakes. Nobody (not even me) in life is perfect. Nobody gets everything right all the time. That's just how it is, that's life.

 

[ajsccfc]

Ah but ajsccfc I am not talking about Sunday pub teams here but players on 150K+ per week who should be delivering a quality to justify that remuneration - if not, "extra training for you my lad"

Really, some of the missesare abysmal and show complete lack of professionalism and in my book that is totally unacceptable.

PUSB

The players generally do deliver that quality which is why they're in such prominent positions. Not every time though, that's nigh-on impossible.

 

[Gray]

although if its that easy you should be out there making 150k a week yourself!

 

[kg82]

head and body over the ball keep it down...............leaning back ball goes high


theres your answer in a nut shell

Doesn't work all the time. I've hit balls with me knee and head over the ball, perfect technique, and they've flown well over the bar. Then I've hit balls where I've nearly been on my backside and they've flown in!

 

[mark82]

What is the point in this discussion. We all know footballers are over paid but they are not machines.

This thread is off topic anyway.

 

[Lloyd]

Lol I take it you make no mistakes ever in your line of work??

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Last weeks winner has to be the Swindon penalty miss-by Matt Ritchie, I think? It really was a beauty-it flew over the bar by such a distance that it looks like he's trying to get it over the stand roof! In the event it smacked into the highest section of the seating, still travelling at such a great velocity that it sends supporters sprawling.

I can only ponder what was going through the Swindon players mind: "OK, games in the bag anyway most likely, but Paulo has already had one of his nutty turns today...if I miss this he's gonna go more ape than a gorilla at banana time...ha, monkeys are funny..shit, refs blown the whistle...right, here we go, top corner, BOSH!....oh bollocks, Paulo's gonna kill me...just better hope he gets distracted by something..."


And this is why I'll miss TFLS.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

I think that's why there's a league pyramid, and within the seperate leagues there are better teams and worse teams. As you go down the leagues the standard of team and a lot of the time, footballer, get worse. It's nothing to do with the money they're on, it doesn't even mean they're bad players. It just means they make mistakes. Nobody (not even me) in life is perfect. Nobody gets everything right all the time. That's just how it is, that's life.

I agree, but then we have our Kevin Thornton's of the world. Go to any BSN-or even lower-game, and I'll guarantee you there will be a player on show who, on ability alone, should be in the top two divisions.

The problem tends to be the person, not the footballer. We've all worked with people who just can't keep their lives together and turn up at work on time. Those of us who have been in management positions will have had to deal with people who just can't be bothered, or take sick-days all the time. In football terms, maybe he likes a drink and has fitness issues. Maybe he just didn't work hard enough to improve his game when he was younger. Maybe he just hasn't got a brain and can't learn things-coaching is a bit like school, and every year thousands of kids just don't even bother turning up to their GCSE's. And then there is consistency: plenty of non-league players are world-beaters on their day, just that day only comes along once or twice a season! It's what makes the F.A. Cup what it is, after all. The great non-league managers are the one's that get hold of these wasted talents, give them the wake-up call and kick up the backside that they need, and turn them back into League footballers. Get enough of them fulfilling their talent, and you get promoted with them. Maybe Gary Johnson thought he could replicate with Kevin Thornton what he did with Michael McIndoe at Yeovil?

There's at least one of these type of players on City's books now, a player who was let go by his first pro club but was just too "talented" for non-league..in fact, I think there's two. At least, one of them now lives in the real world and tries...I'm pretty sure the rest of you reading know which one does not!

 

[skybluegod]

it looks easy but far from it these footballs they use are so light know and thats why so many go over.

 

[Jack Griffin]

it looks easy but far from it these footballs they use are so light know and thats whay so many go over.

They always used to in the past, saw plenty high wide & handsome shots in 70's.

 

[dadgad]

Been a while since I played fitba' but if I recall the ability to ping a shot, keeping it low or, gently rising is not a skill given to many.
Technique:
1) Head down
2) standing leg slightly ahead or level with ball
3) short backlift, big follow through

You could learn that but there was always something else which couldn't be taught, and it was that which made the difference.

Messi scored a goal recently (I think it was in Madrid) where he deliberately hit the bouncing ball into the ground knowing that it would be impossible to anticipate the bounce. The guy has such innate skill, speed of thought, balance and timing that he's unplayable. Compared to Messi what can be taught isn't worth knowing and would never get any of us on the edge of our seats.

 

[johnniericoh]

What is the point in this discussion. We all know footballers are over paid but they are not machines.

This thread is off topic anyway.

Thanks for all your responses with consensus indicating that majority of you think we should tolerate inferior quality because players "are not robots" etc.

I am not castigating players for all fluffed shots just the ones that are blatantly bad due to lack of skill that should have been honed on the training ground.

The point of the discussion mark82 is to promote banter and response to a situaion that is totally football related and frustrates the majority of fans week in week out: after all this a football forum and deserves reaction from SBT contributors surely.

And may I add there are numerous totally off topic threads with no reference to football matters whatsoever that get aired frequently on SBT so a tad unfair maybe to criticise my thread.

PUSB

 

[ajsccfc]

Thanks for all your responses with consensus indicating that majority of you think we should tolerate inferior quality because players "are not robots" etc.

That's really not what's being said at all.

 

[skybluegod]

They always used to in the past, saw plenty high wide & handsome shots in 70's.

footballs were heavier then.

 

[BigCsCheesyGrin]

I really don't care if the ball goes miles over the bar. There is nothing more frustrating than watching a game and constantly saying through gritted teeth "will someone just take a fooking shot". I'd rather an effort be made (even a poor one) than players bottle out and pass sideways instead. That is unless they just twat it miles over, without considering a player in a more forward position, who given the right pass would (should) bury it...Shit i've started disagreeing with myself over my own point.....there really is no hope ..........TAXI !!

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Lukas and Sheff both got loads of stick off people sat near me for shooting over and wide from distance. Like you say, you can't please everyone. My mate even started saying "nope, rubbish ball..."just before Lukas nutted in Sheff's perfect cross against Brighton :facepalm:

 

[Jack Griffin]

footballs were heavier then.

I know I used to kick them about then, but so what, they were still blasted over the bar with some regularity. Though I concede some part of that inaccuracy may be down to poorer ground conditions in those days.