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Our midfield - do we have problems? (1 Viewer)

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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #141
CCFC54321 said:
The simple facts are a midfield of Eccles, sheaf and palmer is not going to get you into the top 6.

Palmer although probably the most technical player probably in the championship isn’t consistent enough or delivers enough. A nearly man. I like him but you won’t win anything with Palmer as he has no end product.

A holding midfield of Eccles and sheaf will give you one thing and a defensive structure and that’s it.

How many goals you going to get out of those three this season? 6,7 or 8? Not enough or good enough from three midfielders. That area needs revamping next and hope we can stay around the mix until January as I’m convinced it’ll be strengthened.
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Palmer the most technical player in the championship?

Where was his technique when he lashed the rebound 20 yards over the bar from the penalty? And that sort of finish is the norm from Palmer unfortunately
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #142
The Philosopher said:
Not a freak season, a season where we had 2 Prem Level superstars all season and a boost of points when Cal played. Other than them, our team was average at best (sorry, true). Jamie Allen and Tavares coming back isn’t going to improve our team to top level.
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The same Jamie Allen who played 42 games last season?
 
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skybluecam

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  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #143
clint van damme said:
Freak season my arse, what nonsense.
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Not nonsense at all. The quality was heavily lacking, Luton finished 3rd comfortably, we got 5th with 70 points which usually wouldn’t even get you in the playoffs. This season comparatively is very strong and we won’t get there with Allen and co starting games.
 
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SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #144
clint van damme said:
Freak season my arse, what nonsense.
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I think he means it was a freak season in that the points needed was ridiculously low. If we get 70 points again this season we’ll likely finish about 8th or 9th.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #145
skybluecam said:
Not nonsense at all. The quality was heavily lacking, Luton finished 3rd comfortably, we got 5th with 70 points which usually wouldn’t even get you in the playoffs. This season comparatively is very strong and we won’t get there with Allen and co starting games.
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Less points getting you into the top 6 could indicate the league was actually stronger!

As for lack of quality, look at the prices some of the players who played for top 6 teams have gone for recently.
Theres a trend on here that sees people trying to run down city's achievements to try and prove their point.
We even had people trying to run down the FA Cup win a few months ago to try and bolster their argument that Robins is a better manager than Sillett!
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #146
SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
Palmer the most technical player in the championship?

Where was his technique when he lashed the rebound 20 yards over the bar from the penalty? And that sort of finish is the norm from Palmer unfortunately
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He is a very technical player that opposition fans compliment on regularly.

However, no end product at all and yes I get the argument that if he did he wouldn’t be in the championship but with hamer gone we really do need him to contribute more.
 

skybluecam

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #147
clint van damme said:
Less points getting you into the top 6 could indicate the league was actually stronger!

As for lack of quality, look at the prices some of the players who played for top 6 teams have gone for recently.
Theres a trend on here that sees people trying to run down city's achievements to try and prove their point.
We even had people trying to run down the FA Cup win a few months ago to try and bolster their argument that Robins is a better manager than Sillett!
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Ok, let’s look at the performance of the promoted teams so far.

P10 W0 D1 L9 GF9 GA27

It’s an inarguable fact that last year was a weak league.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #148
skybluecam said:
Ok, let’s look at the performance of the promoted teams so far.

P10 W0 D1 L9 GF9 GA27

It’s an inarguable fact that last year was a weak league.
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That proves absolutely nothing, it could be the EPL is stronger.
It's very difficult to say whether a league is stronger or weaker from one season to another to be honest. And promoted teams doing poorly after playing 3 or 4 games each proves absolutely nothing.
According to many on here we blew our best chance of promotion in 21-22 because the league was weak that year and would be much stronger in 22-23!
 
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skybluecam

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #149
clint van damme said:
That proves absolutely nothing, it could be the EPL is stronger.
It's very difficult to say whether a league is stronger or weaker from one season to another to be honest. And promoted teams doing poorly after playing 3 or 4 games each proves absolutely nothing.
According to many on here we blew our best chance of promotion in 21-22 because the league was weak that year and would be much stronger in 22-23!
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Not gonna argue any more, but it is fairly obvious last year's league was weak. And this years will be far stronger.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #150
skybluecam said:
Not gonna argue any more, but it is fairly obvious last year's league was weak. And this years will be far stronger.
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Let's revisit this at the end of the season when we know what points the team finishing 6th achieve

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Matt smith

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #151
CCFC54321 said:
The simple facts are a midfield of Eccles, sheaf and palmer is not going to get you into the top 6.

Palmer although probably the most technical player probably in the championship isn’t consistent enough or delivers enough. A nearly man. I like him but you won’t win anything with Palmer as he has no end product.

A holding midfield of Eccles and sheaf will give you one thing and a defensive structure and that’s it.

How many goals you going to get out of those three this season? 6,7 or 8? Not enough or good enough from three midfielders. That area needs revamping next and hope we can stay around the mix until January as I’m convinced it’ll be strengthened.
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You think we’ll strengthen in midfield in January?

lots of talk on here won’t be strengthening/replacing till the summer.

it still baffles me we didn’t have our ducks in a row and got someone over the line
 
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SkyBlueMatt

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #152
There are some dickheads on here. "Why didn't we replace Hamer?".... simple answer... We couldn't afford to replace him. Hamer took 2 seasons to become the player he is. If it was up to the same people, he wouldn't have developed into the player he is.

We bring in a loan signing and he's not good enough...

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Matt smith

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  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #153
SkyBlueMatt said:
There are some dickheads on here. "Why didn't we replace Hamer?".... simple answer... We couldn't afford to replace him. Hamer took 2 seasons to become the player he is. If it was up to the same people, he wouldn't have developed into the player he is.

We bring in a loan signing and he's not good enough...

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Do you think it’s good enough that we sold the best midfielder in the league and didn’t replace him?
 

Gibbo

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #154
skybluecam said:
Not gonna argue any more, but it is fairly obvious last year's league was weak. And this years will be far stronger.
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Early results tend indicate that - new contenders in Hull, Birmingham, Preston and Ipswich. Promoted teams (Ipswich again) not dead cert relegation candidates. Covid induced financials have now run out. Money is talking again.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #155
Matt smith said:
Do you think it’s good enough that we sold the best midfielder in the league and didn’t replace him?
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We probably got quoted stupid money for targets.
 

Matt smith

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #156
Sick Boy said:
We probably got quoted stupid money for targets.
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Yeah fair comment. Hopefully we can manage until January

if sheaf gets injured we’re fucked
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #157
Gibbo said:
Early results tend indicate that - new contenders in Hull, Birmingham, Preston and Ipswich. Promoted teams (Ipswich again) not dead cert relegation candidates. Covid induced financials have now run out. Money is talking again.
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This early in the season the indicators mean nothing.
At this point last season we were bottom and Luton were 16th.
Burnley and Sheff utd were in the top 6 but none of the other 4 made the play offs.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #158
Matt smith said:
Yeah fair comment. Hopefully we can manage until January

if sheaf gets injured we’re fucked
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We aren't.

He missed 10 games last season. We won 7 and drew 3 of them. Same like O'Hare, people said we would get relegated without him and in the end we were one Dabo away from promotion.

We've got some good players in the team but I don't believe any of them are as unexpendable or vital as say Gyökeres or Hamer at this point. If someone misses out our performance level shouldn't really drop.
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #159
“One Dabo away from promotion” blimey
 
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skybluecam

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  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #160
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
We aren't.

He missed 10 games last season. We won 7 and drew 3 of them. Same like O'Hare, people said we would get relegated without him and in the end we were one Dabo away from promotion.

We've got some good players in the team but I don't believe any of them are as unexpendable or vital as say Gyökeres or Hamer at this point. If someone misses out our performance level shouldn't really drop.
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Last year we had Hamer. How many of those 10 games did he play?

An Eccles-Kelly midfield should terrify any sane fan.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #161
Grendel said:
“One Dabo away from promotion” blimey
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'PLEASE DON'T CRITICISE DABO'

 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #162
skybluecam said:
Last year we had Hamer. How many of those 10 games did he play?

An Eccles-Kelly midfield should terrify any sane fan.
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It is irrelevant. Up until yesterday Eccles has been our best midfielder this season. Kelly also has been written off a million times but was exceptional in the last few games of last season. Whilst he isn't the solution, it is another thing people seem to forget.

The point is we would survive without Sheaf, like we would with anyone else in the team because frankly we haven't got any stand out players at this current moment in time. Last season we actually exceled in his absence, and the results prove that. None of our midfielders are as good as Hamer and we should be looking to upgrade across the board if we really want to hit the next level.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #163
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It is irrelevant. Up until yesterday Eccles has been our best midfielder this season. Kelly also has been written off a million times but was exceptional in the last few games of last season. Whilst he isn't the solution, it is another thing people seem to forget.

The point is we would survive without Sheaf, like we would with anyone else in the team because frankly we haven't got any stand out players at this current moment in time. Last season we actually exceled in his absence, and the results prove that. None of our midfielders are as good as Hamer and we should be looking to upgrade across the board if we really want to hit the next level.
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Sheaf is our best midfielder and has already shown that this season.
 
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croatskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #164
skybluecam said:
Allen is another one who shouldn't be anywhere near the XI if we're serious about top 6.
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were we not serious last year then?
 
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croatskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #165
skybluecam said:
Last year was a freak season, probably one of the easiest ever to get playoffs in. I also wouldn’t really say he was key, he largely started when others were out injured.
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rubbish, ‘freak season’ how?
 
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croatskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #166
skybluecam said:
Ok, let’s look at the performance of the promoted teams so far.

P10 W0 D1 L9 GF9 GA27

It’s an inarguable fact that last year was a weak league.
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Or the promoted teams had less money this year than, say, Forest who signed 20 plus players pre-season when they went up?
 
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croatskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #167
Matt smith said:
Do you think it’s good enough that we sold the best midfielder in the league and didn’t replace him?
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that’s right, you just click your fingers and there he is, gift wrapped and everything
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #168
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
'PLEASE DON'T CRITICISE DABO'

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Odd just odd
 
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croatskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #169
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
'PLEASE DON'T CRITICISE DABO'

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?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #170
Grendel said:
Sheaf is our best midfielder and has already shown that this season.
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Of course he has been, when you hate Eccles and Palmer as much as you do.

Across the first four games Eccles was slightly better. The reality is we need more quality in those positions regardless.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #171
croatskyblue said:
Or the promoted teams had less money this year than, say, Forest who signed 20 plus players pre-season when they went up?
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Well, Burnley spent £30m on a goalkeeper and Sander Berge while then going on to bid £31.5m for Ian Maatsen.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #172
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Of course he has been, when you hate Eccles and Palmer as much as you do.

Across the first four games Eccles was slightly better. The reality is we need more quality in those positions regardless.
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Hatred I think is really an emotion more attributed to you and the bizarre obsession with Dabo which is deeply disturbing
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #173
Grendel said:
Hatred I think is really an emotion more attributed to you and the bizarre obsession with Dabo which is deeply disturbing
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Thanks for making me laugh, Grendel.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #174
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It is irrelevant. Up until yesterday Eccles has been our best midfielder this season. Kelly also has been written off a million times but was exceptional in the last few games of last season. Whilst he isn't the solution, it is another thing people seem to forget.

The point is we would survive without Sheaf, like we would with anyone else in the team because frankly we haven't got any stand out players at this current moment in time. Last season we actually exceled in his absence, and the results prove that. None of our midfielders are as good as Hamer and we should be looking to upgrade across the board if we really want to hit the next level.
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I do kind of see your point but we’re still pretty much hoping he avoids injury as otherwise that midfield is just too under strength.
 

Johhny Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 3, 2023
  • #175
clint van damme said:
Ayari, while clearly talented, is so far off competitve football at this level is unbelievable
How some Brighton fans thought he should be around their first team is beyond me.
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Great insight. Let’s bin the kid after 2 x 20 minute cameos
 
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