phildownunder
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Not to mention Oscar Gobern :thinking about:
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Don't really want to get involved in this thread, which is now getting a tad tirseome, but how do you know that Milner didn't 'devote every spare hour of his time fulfilling his lifetime ambition?'
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Don't really want to get involved in this thread, which is now getting a tad tirseome, but how do you know that Milner didn't 'devote every spare hour of his time fulfilling his lifetime ambition?'
Funny how you mention mesut Ozil, as he is actually a player I have studied in depth, look up his history, look at where he was brought up, Gelsenkirchen, as I said it is a matter of circumstance and practice. If You look up his history, literally during all his free time he was practicing/ playing football, In streets or in what has come to be known as the 'monkey cage'. His first coach said and I quote 'he would devote every spare hour to fulfilling his life ambition.' There is a reason he is a class above and that's because of his circumstance. He has such good ball control is because of the fact he had to play football in such confined areas.
So yes he did outwork Milner.
You talk utter shit.
I think that is very harsh. I believe the guy has studied the topic and he does have a point that many people assume that high performance is only for the gifted - whereas in reality many people have the capacity to become very good at anything they choose. I wouldn't go as far as Mr. God as I believe that genetics also play a big part in any subject including football. When I was a teacher I had several pupils who worked their socks off and only ever became mediocre at my subject (they just didn't have the capacity to grasp the harder concepts) & the top set had its fair share of less industrious but naturally intelligent pupils who found my subject easy. I still believe in all of nature, nurture and practice. But the guy isn't talking utter shit.
What the guy is essentially saying is that if you had replaced Lionel Messi at birth with any individual with identical physical composition he would have become the best footballer in the world. It's hogwash. It's like suggesting that anyone with identical life experience, hand to eye coordination and, well... brushes as da Vinci could have painted the Mona Lisa! He leaves no room whatsoever for nature and it is quite absurd.
I think that is very harsh. I believe the guy has studied the topic and he does have a point that many people assume that high performance is only for the gifted - whereas in reality many people have the capacity to become very good at anything they choose. I wouldn't go as far as Mr. God as I believe that genetics also play a big part in any subject including football. When I was a teacher I had several pupils who worked their socks off and only ever became mediocre at my subject (they just didn't have the capacity to grasp the harder concepts) & the top set had its fair share of less industrious but naturally intelligent pupils who found my subject easy. I still believe in all of nature, nurture and practice. But the guy isn't talking utter shit.
No that's not what I am essentially saying. I have said that personality, circumstance and mental strength all contribute, but they aren't what make people great at their sport/profession.
thank you, and I do see that point of view and I have a lot of respect for it. But Imo even in subjects at school, if somebody really wanted it, no matter how hard it was they could become a top student but it may take a lot longer.
Maybe I have suggested that practice is all you need but, obviously psychomotor and gross motor abilities which people are born with do have some impact. And that's probably what makes the top top performers so good, as they have that extra 5% or whatever. But what I am saying is that footballers aren't where they are because of genetics it is because they practice so hard and so much. So that's why I am of the opinion it is down to practice and circumstance.
Good luck responding to this one Trench.
We'll just have to agree to differ on that one - from my experience it just simply isn't true.
No it's just practice right? As I say... Hogwash.
We'll just have to agree to differ on that one - from my experience it just simply isn't true.
No I literally say there they contribute.
So not its not just practice.
No ones saying that practice and hard work doesn't make you better, although he obviously had some natural abilities and aptitude for the subject just not as much as maybe others. Maybe he was naturally a B student and hard work took him up to A*. If he was a naturally a D student there is no way he is getting an A* though hardwork.Fair enough, and I respect your point of view and you perhaps being a teacher have seen things I haven't.
But I can personally say that one of my best mates, who was not the most intelligent naturally, although my no stretch stupid, he did nothing but work, school, athletics, revision till 11PM. He ended up with straight a*'s. He doesn't get things easily like some other people, but the work he did to understand, took him to the level above.
No ones saying that practice and hard work doesn't make you better, although he obviously had some natural abilities and aptitude for the subject just not as much as maybe others. Maybe he was naturally a B student and hard work took him up to A*. If he was a naturally a D student there is no way he is getting an A* though hardwork.
I know people similar as you described, people who put in massive amounts of effort to achieve A*, which without the hard work they certainly wouldn't have achieved. I also know people who put in massive amounts of hard work and came out with a B grade which for them was an achievement. I also know people who probably put in a 1/3 of the effort of both of these people and also came out with A*.
I'll put this question to you, a person studies Chemistry, Mathematics, Physics and Biology. He is generally quite a clever person and puts in equal amounts of hard work into all 4 subjects and all circumstances are kept on a level field, why does he then gets different grades in all 4 subjects? I'd suggest he has a natural aptitude and ability for the subjects he done best in but you seem to believe under this scenario he would achieve the same grade in all 4 subjects.
Mowbray has stated he is not interested in Gobern.
Close the thread! Lol
After 125 messages he ought to sign him :facepalm:
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Do you think a website could influence a manager? Maybe TM never heard of him. CT pick up talk on a website and ask the manager. Manager says no but after conversation checks the player out and likes him and makes a bid, could it happen?
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