Yep, one win and it is all back to isn't Thorn wonderful again.
Rightly or wrongly - and I think we are all agreed that the performance of Thorn and his squad over the season isn't acceptable - there's a tangible whiff that this forum's most vociferous posters only appear like Dracula from a coffin when there's the macabre to rubber-neck over; and such behaviour will often bring an equally unrealistic defence of Thorn's record. Shades of grey, my friend; shades of grey......
Permit me to explain from where the frustration arises.
Hark back to the Blackpool match thread; which had many hundreds of posts. We were playing well, and winning to a point. Only one person, ahead of the goals being conceded mentioned Thorn should have changed it. Certain posters - who's opinions toward Thorn always appear half-empty as opposed to half-full - hadn't posted a thing. Then, the late goals go in; and the thread is veritably alightened by the posters who had 'til this point appeared silent. And do you know what else? Everyone knew retrospectively that Thorn should have changed it.
Compare and contrast - if you will - to the thread I started last night in which I invited at least some praise of Thorn's performance on the night. The thread had been viewed over 100 times before any more than one person would offer any measured praise in his direction. By this same point, over 30 posts had been forthcoming on the Blackpool thread to castigate the fat oaf's ineptitude....
Rightly or wrongly - and I think we are all agreed that the performance of Thorn and his squad over the season isn't acceptable - there's a tangible whiff that this forum's most vociferous posters only appear like Dracula from a coffin when there's the macabre to rubber-neck over; and such behaviour will often bring an equally unrealistic defence of Thorn's record.
Shades of grey, my friend; shades of grey......
AT not changing things when he should has been a consistent theme all season, not just after the Blackpool match, and if their wasn't so much sisu hatred around, the vociferous posters would have been on AT's back long ago. He is a very lucky manager.
MMM, you really need to check the footer on my post....
Also, he has been lucky. The results he has had while in charge would, in any other period of our history, have had calls for his sacking long ago, and certainly not the "Andy thorn's Sky Blue Army" song on a regular basis.
MMM, you really need to check the footer on my post....
Also, he has been lucky. The results he has had while in charge would, in any other period of our history, have had calls for his sacking long ago, and certainly not the "Andy thorn's Sky Blue Army" song on a regular basis.
MMM, you really need to check the footer on my post....
Also, he has been lucky. The results he has had while in charge would, in any other period of our history, have had calls for his sacking long ago, and certainly not the "Andy thorn's Sky Blue Army" song on a regular basis.
I'm sorry OSB, but to claim Thorn is in any sense a "lucky manager" is to ignore the numerous freak goals against, squandered chances and losses in games which we have dominated possession and created more chances than the opposition - of which there have been many. Not to mention that he has been saddled with lying owners who sell his top scorer.
He couldn't be more unlucky if he tried.
I think you will find the term "lucky" is in reference to off-field matters. Even you must admit more interested owners whatever the justification or not would have parted company with him now. He is also lucky in that he was initially given the role. So again the owners looking for someone on the cheap has worked to his advantage. That I assume is what the comment referred to.
Does off field matters include SISU selling every player that can score goals? Does this include not replacing players sold?
AT is not the other thing involved here, all the backroom staff do there job and lets be honest would another manager and his own set of people do any better given the constraints of SISU and a very average squad. I think not.
Thorn In, SISU out
The implication of this is that there isn't a manager alive who could do a better job with this side than a converted scout yet to complete a season of management. Thorn has a largely thankless task and he's doing his best, but there's really no basis for this rampant exaggeration at all.
The time I say AT is doing well is to keep the players heads up and trying to win after everything that has happened. He has not done well to keep us near the bottom. He has not done well to make us lose by one goal nearly every game. He has not done well away from home. He has done well though to keep the squad together and to get them to give their all every game.
We have won 4 of our last 9 league games. 11 goals for, 11 goals against. How many teams at the bottom of the table with us would like form like this? Looks as though we are coming good at the best time. How much of this is to do with AT learning from his mistakes?
The results he has had while in charge would, in any other period of our history, have had calls for his sacking long ago, and certainly not the "Andy thorn's Sky Blue Army" song on a regular basis.
Could AT do better with more money? Perhaps. Will he go on to have a glorious career as a manager? Perhaps. But both are irrelevant to where we have been all season.
CM: your claims to be wishing to be objective or to view the entire body of a man's work are sharply in contrast with your view that it's okay to get rid of a manager who hasn't even seen a season out. The two are entirely at odds with one another; and frankly speaking fly at odds with the wisdom of the balance of the footballing world. I truly can't fathom where you're coming from.
As for the position the manager has in the minds of many supporters; I think many support him unconditionally - almost blindly - as they see the way he's been hung out to dry by the owners. Exactly as Ferguson was at PNE. Difference was, they sacked him and went down anyway. Since then, he's done brilliantly as Posh, and they're still languishing mid-third tier.
And no-one asked for a merit badge after one win. I simply was looking for a balanced hand between criticism when due and praise when due. And that doesn't appear to exist
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