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Group think and mass movements are dangerous entities, and message boards are particularly prone to them.
When McGinnity was ruining our club I was undoubtedly on the side of the majority, I probably engaged in some of the practices below thinking about it. I can think of somne posters who drew fire from their username, even if they made a valid point. When SISU came definitely the minority, and spent much time being roundly abused for not buying into their hard nosed good business sense. This was after all what we needed I was told, forcefully and repeatedly along with many epithets, and I should shut up and lump it.
Still, this was nothing compared to the Marlon King affair. This is what frankly stopped me enjoying football. The almost crazed determination to insist *everybody* holds the same view, the determination to alienate and antagonise anybody, such as Ann Lucas, who decided on principal not to give the club one penny more! The group think then was that we should be gratefeul such a demi-god was at our club, and the likes of Lucas were infidels.
And now...
Well... suffice to say I have been genuinely shocked.
I should not have to justify my position, not in the slightest.
But... I will.
Let me be straight, I do not want the current owners at our club. I never have, and I never will. Nor, however, do I want anybody who has contributed to this unholy mess at our club either. So, that takes out the likes of Elliott and Hoffman, both of whom are culpable for this unholy mess.
Especially Elliott, who has had a unique talent of nailing his colours to board after board that has destroyed our club...
This view in itself moves away from the group think though. It should be SISU bad, and ANYBODY good! It's always wise to learn from the past, and it's this type of thinking that got us here in the first place!
It takes us onto the wider point then.
You never defeat entities like SISU by just crying SHITZU at them. Know your enemy and all that.
You also never defeat entities like SISU by hurling enough mud at them you hope something sticks. Best to hurl the mud that has the rock in the middle of it...
Quite frankly, I can see why psgm1 could end up ending up like he did. After a while you think 'fuck it, what's the point of actually talking to people if they don't bother reading the words you write, and just resort to challenging the time you joined this board (probably the most pathetic attempt to sling mud I've ever seen!) and decide they're a SHITZU apologist etc.'
At that stage, you may as well just rant in CAPITALS ALL THE TIME and say nonsensical gibberings mightn't you, as the words on the page are irrelevant!
It's the desire for control, the desire to plough a course without thinking that leads us here. It's an uncomfortable truth that will draw fire, but it is a truth. The desire to squash voices that query the exact route to be followed means the train hurtles forward, without any pause for reflection. This sweeps up not only those who are pro-SISU, who are excluded and attacked at will in a playground game where both sides say BOOOO loudly at each other, but it also sweeps up those who are anti-SISU but will go to games.
It also sweeps up those who are anti-SISU, but want to make sure the message sent out is as focussed and effective as possible.
The irony of this is the most surefire way to enact a split is to demand one uniform voice. There are many paths it's possible to take now, but constantly we should be questioning whether it's the right one.
It may indeed be.
But in a world of media statements the quest should always be to make sure the message sent out has nothing the opposition side can beat you with a stick about. Focus and accuracy, and you have the best chance of success.
The best way to unity is to accept the broad church of views, do not quash them automatically as it was such behaviour that gave the likes of SISU the opportunity to bully their way in here in the first place. The uncomfortable truth is at that time, we were their hired goons to allow them to do that. That is the past however. As for the future? None of us know, and some of us will be proved right, some wrong. From a personal POV I sincerely hope some of my views (the club no longer exists if SISU do not get what they need) is wrong. It carries that weight from a certain informed knowledge of what entities like SISU do, and what SISU themselves have done, but I hope that is not something that ever comes to pass, and it would give me immense pleasure for it not to be true.
As I say that I realise I am introducing an example of the broad church, how saying that ironically has me accused of being a SISU insider by some, as it's a scaremongering tactic to persuade people to go to Northampton!
Ah well, and so the circle goes on...
(also posted... elsewhere
When McGinnity was ruining our club I was undoubtedly on the side of the majority, I probably engaged in some of the practices below thinking about it. I can think of somne posters who drew fire from their username, even if they made a valid point. When SISU came definitely the minority, and spent much time being roundly abused for not buying into their hard nosed good business sense. This was after all what we needed I was told, forcefully and repeatedly along with many epithets, and I should shut up and lump it.
Still, this was nothing compared to the Marlon King affair. This is what frankly stopped me enjoying football. The almost crazed determination to insist *everybody* holds the same view, the determination to alienate and antagonise anybody, such as Ann Lucas, who decided on principal not to give the club one penny more! The group think then was that we should be gratefeul such a demi-god was at our club, and the likes of Lucas were infidels.
And now...
Well... suffice to say I have been genuinely shocked.
I should not have to justify my position, not in the slightest.
But... I will.
Let me be straight, I do not want the current owners at our club. I never have, and I never will. Nor, however, do I want anybody who has contributed to this unholy mess at our club either. So, that takes out the likes of Elliott and Hoffman, both of whom are culpable for this unholy mess.
Especially Elliott, who has had a unique talent of nailing his colours to board after board that has destroyed our club...
This view in itself moves away from the group think though. It should be SISU bad, and ANYBODY good! It's always wise to learn from the past, and it's this type of thinking that got us here in the first place!
It takes us onto the wider point then.
You never defeat entities like SISU by just crying SHITZU at them. Know your enemy and all that.
You also never defeat entities like SISU by hurling enough mud at them you hope something sticks. Best to hurl the mud that has the rock in the middle of it...
Quite frankly, I can see why psgm1 could end up ending up like he did. After a while you think 'fuck it, what's the point of actually talking to people if they don't bother reading the words you write, and just resort to challenging the time you joined this board (probably the most pathetic attempt to sling mud I've ever seen!) and decide they're a SHITZU apologist etc.'
At that stage, you may as well just rant in CAPITALS ALL THE TIME and say nonsensical gibberings mightn't you, as the words on the page are irrelevant!
It's the desire for control, the desire to plough a course without thinking that leads us here. It's an uncomfortable truth that will draw fire, but it is a truth. The desire to squash voices that query the exact route to be followed means the train hurtles forward, without any pause for reflection. This sweeps up not only those who are pro-SISU, who are excluded and attacked at will in a playground game where both sides say BOOOO loudly at each other, but it also sweeps up those who are anti-SISU but will go to games.
It also sweeps up those who are anti-SISU, but want to make sure the message sent out is as focussed and effective as possible.
The irony of this is the most surefire way to enact a split is to demand one uniform voice. There are many paths it's possible to take now, but constantly we should be questioning whether it's the right one.
It may indeed be.
But in a world of media statements the quest should always be to make sure the message sent out has nothing the opposition side can beat you with a stick about. Focus and accuracy, and you have the best chance of success.
The best way to unity is to accept the broad church of views, do not quash them automatically as it was such behaviour that gave the likes of SISU the opportunity to bully their way in here in the first place. The uncomfortable truth is at that time, we were their hired goons to allow them to do that. That is the past however. As for the future? None of us know, and some of us will be proved right, some wrong. From a personal POV I sincerely hope some of my views (the club no longer exists if SISU do not get what they need) is wrong. It carries that weight from a certain informed knowledge of what entities like SISU do, and what SISU themselves have done, but I hope that is not something that ever comes to pass, and it would give me immense pleasure for it not to be true.
As I say that I realise I am introducing an example of the broad church, how saying that ironically has me accused of being a SISU insider by some, as it's a scaremongering tactic to persuade people to go to Northampton!
Ah well, and so the circle goes on...
(also posted... elsewhere