Otis
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Be interested to know too. For me he has looked commanding, caught well and been very verbal with his defence, the two mistakes apart.
Be interested to know too. For me he has looked commanding, caught well and been very verbal with his defence, the two mistakes apart.I haven't seen, heard or read anything on yesterday's game but apart from his obvious balls up how did O'Brien play overall ? Was dithering, fumbling and farting about or okay.
Which for a keeper is saying he was fucking useless!Be interested to know too. For me he has looked commanding, caught well and been very verbal with his defence, the two mistakes apart.
But you say look at the bigger picture, yet we have managed to produce very good players except for a keeper.
I'm not necessarily blaming Oggy, but if we can produce good young talent in spite of the way the club has been run, why haven't we produced a good young keeper too, in all that time?
We agree. Oggy is symptomatic of the club / the club is symptomatic of Oggy.
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True, maybe if our goalkeepers used head and shoulders and were flake free they too could have the confidence of Joe Hart.Novice goalkeepers will make mistakes, as does everyone. Goalkeeping is about confidence, look at Joe Hart. I do hope our goalkeepers stay off here else their confidence will be damaged beyond repair.
Bill Glazier was far far far superior to Oggy, remember Jimmy Hill signed him for a record fee for a goalkeeper too, he may have gone on to play for England but broke a leg and of course he had to take the gloves off Gordon Banks who to my mind was the absolute greatestPolls mean nothing people only vote for who they can remember and have seen, have you ever seen Clarrie Bourton in any poll team and Robbie Keane gets in before Terry Gibson
I didn't see Glazier but my dad tells me he was way ahead of Oggy.
Oggy saw of various other keepers but none were brilliant they were just signed as understudies people like Jake Findlay as soon as a decent keeper appeared Oggy was rightly removed.
I know a former youth team player Oggy coached and he told me he was very good but you can now only comment on the current players and they go backwards under him
Just think how many seasons we narrowly avoided relegation with Oggy between the sticks, now maybe if we had had a better goalkeeper we wouldn't have been at the bottom, just saying ...its contentious I know but if we had had a better striker same rules apply..get my driftCan't believe I am criticising Bill Glazier but he was virtually finished at 30. He left us for Brentford I think and only played a few games before retiring. He was a more exciting keeper to watch than Oggy, but for sheer consistency in the top league, for playing over 600 games and for playing huge strings of games together without a break I still think Oggy edges it.
Now then young man?What was it Brian Clough said?
Just think how many seasons we narrowly avoided relegation with Oggy between the sticks, now maybe if we had had a better goalkeeper we wouldn't have been at the bottom, just saying ...its contentious I know but if we had had a better striker same rules apply..get my drift
Maybe they won't catch the threads.Novice goalkeepers will make mistakes, as does everyone. Goalkeeping is about confidence, look at Joe Hart. I do hope our goalkeepers stay off here else their confidence will be damaged beyond repair.
I bet it took you a while to think of that.......Maybe they won't catch the threads.
Fair point.
- Managers are judged by their results coaches are based on obviously their coaching ability to improve players, I would suggest goalkeeping coaches are also judged by their coaching abilities also, Oggy has been coaching here for many years now and from memory the only goalkeeper to have risen through the ranks is Kirkland who was here before Oggy was a coach, the rest of the goalkeepers were brought in except for our current crop barring O'Brien, I don't think anyone on here for a moment would blame Oggy for the 2 stupid mistakes in the last couple of games but I would imagine someone in the management team would speak with the goalkeeping coach and ask a simple question, "what do you think of Burge Addai and RCC".
- Oggy has been here a long time now been a good servant to the club and if he was the best goalkeeping coach out there we would surely be seeing better keepers at the club but I now think it is better to bring in a new keeping coach who is younger with different ideas, thank you Oggy for your services but it don't appear to be working anymore
"Take your hands out of your pockets young man" After signing Trevor Francis on TV.Now then young man?
In Liverpool a hammer is known a Manchester screwdriver.If he has gone down hill that quickly, he can't have been that good in the first place.
Do you put screws in with a hammer?
The thing I don't understand with Oggy is how, if he is as bad at his job as some claim, he has kept the job under so many managers. You'd expect at least one of Coleman, Boothroyd, Robins, Thorn, Mowbray, Pressley or Slade to notice the problem.
Or maybe they see he is not the problem?Maybe because the new manager doesn't want to annoy the fans by removing a "legend"
Or maybe they see he is not the problem?
Maybe because the new manager doesn't want to annoy the fans by removing a "legend"
7.2 seconds.I bet it took you a while to think of that.......
you can ask his wife she will confirm7.2 seconds.
Too long....you can ask his wife she will confirm
The thing I don't understand with Oggy is how, if he is as bad at his job as some claim, he has kept the job under so many managers. You'd expect at least one of Coleman, Boothroyd, Robins, Thorn, Mowbray, Pressley or Slade to notice the problem.
"Take your hands out of your pockets young man" After signing Trevor Francis on TV.
Indeed it is, sorry but couldn't help stealing it from you..........Its on all my posts
Fumbled on more then one occation even froze on the line for a ball that was 100% his, forcing our defence to put it out for a corner.I haven't seen, heard or read anything on yesterday's game but apart from his obvious balls up how did O'Brien play overall ? Was he dithering, fumbling and farting about or okay.
EeehhhhhhhhHas anyone ever seen Oggy's peanuts?
D'you know - you might have something thereHere we go. Back to it all being Oggy's fault again. Oggy's probably responsible for the strikers not scoring, the midfield not creating and Stokes not being match fit.
I think the lower the league you are in the worse quality of player there is available.
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