Agreed Nick, but could the Coventry City of 2017 even find a decent goalkeeping coach with the paltry sum (SISU) would pay? We have Oggy who had made Kirkland and Westwood much better but hasn't made headway with what we have now, and we all know they aren't good enough even from a raw material point of view. For me it's a recruitment issue plus, you can't polish a turd!
So if you are given an apprentice at work to coach and he is shit you should do it for nothing.I was talking about goalkeeper coach.
Ok your right sack him at least when we have another shit goalkeeper you can blame the new guy instead of the real reason.Did he make Kirkland and Westwood much better? Westwood was in the League team of the season before wasn't he?
So if you are given an apprentice at work to coach and he is shit you should do it for nothing.
How does that work I have coached a fair few in my time some couldn't the their lases was that my fault.
Absolutely, he did. Especially from a shot stopping perspective. Kirkland barring a back injury was bound for great things.Did he make Kirkland and Westwood much better? Westwood was in the League team of the season before wasn't he?
I agree but who's decision is it to bring in players who's decision is it to say what they pay doubt it is Oggy.I'd say over how many managers it isn't about that? Especially when we have brought in a fair amount of players that we couldn't afford a half decent goalie.
We play in League 1, we will be able to pay for a half decent league 1 goalie. I don't think we have one at the minute.
Even Roy Carroll would have been better!
Your right but TBH he is the only one left at the moment who actually cares for this club.No, I am saying we shouldn't just hire somebody because he played for us years ago and give him a job for life regardless of performance.
I agree but who's decision is it to bring in players who's decision is it to say what they pay doubt it is Oggy.
Will have to ask Fisher at the meeting to get this sorted once and for all.
Who would we hire who is better ?No, I am saying we shouldn't just hire somebody because he played for us years ago and give him a job for life regardless of performance.
Who would we hire who is better ?
Maybe they think hes arrogant and dont talk to himAnd 4 managers have just ignored him?
And a shit job he appears to be doing too.. if you had someone at a place of work training and their charge was rubbish I am sure questions would be asked.. so why cant we?I can't imagine that there is a goalkeeping coach at any team in any league who drives the recruitment policy. At the end of the day he's a goalkeeping coach. He gets thrown the goalkeepers to coach. I can't see it being anymore complicated than that.
I think we definitely need somebody who is more in touch with the modern game! Not somebody who retired from it nearly 20 years agoI'd prefer to see kirkland given the goal keeping coach now we need fresh ideas oggy is over the hill
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Do the opposition do that then ?what I dont get is in the warmup when him and the sub keeper warms up and put crosses in why they dont have somebody challenging the keeper?
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Says who? How do you know he cares for the club?Your right but TBH he is the only one left at the moment who actually cares for this club.
Maybe, just maybe the reason they are shit is because the coach is shit.Have to agree we have 2 shit keepers and Oggy has to sprinkle miracle dust and make 2 Gordon Bank's.
Who makes these mistakes?
Who is at fault when our defence make the same mistakes every week and our strikers don't shoot?
Their all from the same mould shame it is defected.
You get what you pay for we paid for dogshit we got it
How do you know he is not doing exactly that?But as goalkeeping coach shouldn't Oggy be going up to Mowbray and to Venus and to Slade and to Robins and be saying neither keeper here is ready enough or good enough for first team football?
I don't. But if he is people clearly aren't listening to him.How do you know he is not doing exactly that?
No, I am saying we shouldn't just hire somebody because he played for us years ago and give him a job for life regardless of performance.
Sky Blue legend. Job for life.How many managers and board members has Oggy worked under now? Must be a lot. Surely if he was the problem that some on here are trying to make out he is someone would have done something about it by now? Not only is he still in a job I don't personally remember anyone from within the club ever bad mouthing him ever. That would be odd if he's such an issue wouldn't you agree?
From what I have seen in pre match warm ups we can blame some ignorant useless kicking clingon big nosed ugly twat for shooting coaching... its also on you tube.... enough saidWell if we are sacking Oggy because the keepers are shit and won't train on, who are we sacking for the defenders who can't defend, the midfielders who can't pass wind and the strikers who can't hit a cow's arse with a banjo. You recruit shit then don't be surprised when they play shit.
Sky Blue legend. Job for life.
No chance that he's actually a good coach and consecutive managers and board members recognise this meaning that the actual problem is the quality of goalkeepers he is fed to work with given that recruitment isn't part of his remit?
How can you be a good coach if those you're coaching don't improve?
I bet a few teachers would love to work under conditions where you can just say "what do you want from me? They're just shit" and get away with it.
If he's any good he'd have gone to a bigger and better club.
I don't really think going or staying is a massive importance to the clubs fortunes but if his job is to improve goalkeeper quality it's not looking good.
In one thread you were really rating Burge as a good prospect that's improving all the time. Is it the coaching that's made him worse?
Ahh the weekly skybluestalk thread of goalkeeping coach experts. I assume you all regularly monitor Oggy at work in training everyday?
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