Offside (1 Viewer)

rob9872 · May 17, 2021

When did the rule change? Or have I always been wrong?

Cullen for Swansea just been offside and free kick taken in his own half. Commentator said it was where the ball was touched and not where the offence was. To my knowledge (yeah I'm old) you couldn't be offside in your own half.

slowpoke · May 17, 2021

Can’t be offside if you are in your own half but you can if a free-kick is taken in your own half.

Frostie · May 17, 2021

Missed the incident but...

The only way the opposition free-kick should be given in your half would be if you were in an offside position in the opponents half when the ball was played but actually received/interfered in your own half. If that makes sense?

Only tends to happen when ball is played up top & the striker is in an offside position but doesn't immediately interfere until he tracks back.

rob9872 · May 17, 2021

Frostie said:
Missed the incident but...

The only way the opposition free-kick should be given in your half would be if you were in an offside position in the opponents half when the ball was played but actually received/interfered in your own half. If that makes sense?

Only tends to happen when ball is played up top & the striker is in an offside position but doesn't immediately interfere until he tracks back.

That's exactly what happened, but fairly sure in old school the free kick was still always placed just into the opposition half.

speedie87 · May 17, 2021

Ruled changed about 2-3 seasons ago.....

Marty · May 17, 2021

Frostie said:
Missed the incident but...

The only way the opposition free-kick should be given in your half would be if you were in an offside position in the opponents half when the ball was played but actually received/interfered in your own half. If that makes sense?

Only tends to happen when ball is played up top & the striker is in an offside position but doesn't immediately interfere until he tracks back.

When was that changed? I always thought that it's taken inline with the last defender of the defensive team no matter where it was touched by the attacking team.

Frostie · May 17, 2021

Marty said:
When was that changed? I always thought that it's taken inline with the last defender of the defensive team no matter where it was touched by the attacking team.

Used to be, changed 4-5 years ago - can't remember when exactly.

slowpoke · May 17, 2021

To be honest the off-side rule is almost unrecognisable to what it was just a few years ago and it’s likely to change again with the contraversial VAR debacles.

SonofErnie · May 17, 2021

slowpoke said:
To be honest the off-side rule is almost unrecognisable to what it was just a few years ago and it’s likely to change again with the contraversial VAR debacles.

To be honest I think the current interpretation using VAR is completely against the spirit of the law which is designed to prevent an attacker gaining an unfair advantage. If you have to use technology and watch a replay umpteen times just to determine someone’s big toe is offside, then there’s something badly wrong.

Frostie · May 17, 2021

SonofErnie said:
To be honest I think the current interpretation using VAR is completely against the spirit of the law which is designed to prevent an attacker gaining an unfair advantage. If you have to use technology and watch a replay umpteen times just to determine someone’s big toe is offside, then there’s something badly wrong.

And even then it's total guesswork as the technology isn't capable of doing what's asked of it.

ovduk78 · May 18, 2021

I think they should scrap the offside law and then they'll be very little need for VAR so they can scrap that as well and just let the referee and linesmen officiate the game.

mrtrench · May 18, 2021

ovduk78 said:
I think they should scrap the offside law and then they'll be very little need for VAR so they can scrap that as well and just let the referee and linesmen officiate the game.

I don't agree. Imagine how the game would be played if there were no offside. It would be like the Swansea Barnsley game last night only worse.

edgy · May 18, 2021

Would be interesting to see (not advocating it) how the game would be played without offsides.

Initial thoughts would be a very direct long ball type game with strikers loitering in the penalty area. However, it would create massive amounts of space in the midfield to play in.

ovduk78 · May 18, 2021

mrtrench said:
I don't agree. Imagine how the game would be played if there were no offside. It would be like the Swansea Barnsley game last night only worse.

I'm not sure. Teams that play possession football will still play the same, there will of course be teams that stick 2 lumps up front and launch the ball to them at every opportunity. The problem with offside is it seems that because of recent changes that only the referees really understand it. VAR has compounded this like it has penalties for handball. The Yanks in the 1990's played with an another line 25-30 metres out and you couldn't be offside until you went past it, it would be interesting to see how that affected the ways teams played.

CrawleySkyBlue · May 18, 2021

ovduk78 said:
I think they should scrap the offside law and then they'll be very little need for VAR so they can scrap that as well and just let the referee and linesmen officiate the game.

Link below is Marco Van Basten discussing why the offside rule should be scrapped. Would be interesting to see whether teams just revert to hoof ball, or whether the increased space would allow for the creative midfield players to shine more. The article also looks at how scrapping the offside rule in hockey changed the sport.

Marco van Basten on the offside law, why it should be scrapped, and the hockey precedent that might surprise

Sky Blue Harry H · May 18, 2021

The problem with scrapping the offside rule is that some/a lot of clubs would decide to pick basketball sized players and play hoofball constantly. The offside rule negates this, as defenders can combat this tactic by pushing up, hence why nippy more skilful players are required to run behind the centre backs.

slowpoke · May 18, 2021

ovduk78 said:
I think they should scrap the offside law and then they'll be very little need for VAR so they can scrap that as well and just let the referee and linesmen officiate the game.

That’s something I think that’s never been tried it could work and spread the game as forwards will push forward and defenders would make sure they kept with them. Perhaps it could be tried in a competition like the league cup or EFL cup.

rob9872 · May 18, 2021

A half way house imo. Can only be offside from 18 yd box onwards would achieve space and prevent goal hanging big lumps.

hill83 · May 18, 2021

Bring in a rule that the lino is called a lino again and it’s the fat lad from each team running it.
Must have a can and fag on the go the whole time.

Torquay Sky Blue · May 18, 2021

No offside. Huckerbee would of been a 50 goal a season man.

Same old Darren

edgy · May 18, 2021

hill83 said:
Bring in a rule that the lino is called a lino again and it’s the fat lad from each team running it.
Must have a can and fag on the go the whole time.

Also is allowed to blatantly cheat in favour of the defending team and exchange pleasantries with the striker. "Fucking yards off mate"

Ccfcisparks · May 18, 2021

edgy said:
Also is allowed to blatantly cheat in favour of the defending team and exchange pleasantries with the striker. "Fucking yards off mate"

Substitute the flags for a brightly coloured bib too.

Torquay Sky Blue · May 18, 2021

And the home linesman trying to be fair and getting moaned at by his own defenders. Someone take the flag off him ffs

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · May 18, 2021

According to VAR Level is offside. F**king bullshit.

Sky Blue Harry H · May 18, 2021

hill83 said:
Bring in a rule that the lino is called a lino again and it’s the fat lad from each team running it.
Must have a can and fag on the go the whole time.

Haha. reminds me of a time when I kept a ball in play on the wing, and found that the 'fat lad' had flagged it as going out. When i turned and shouted at him , his reply was 'well i didn't think you'd manage to get there in time'

rob9872 · May 18, 2021

Glue Foot

CDK · May 19, 2021

It changes every season ,and var seems to take it to a different level of confusion.

Brighton Sky Blue · May 20, 2021

Once reffed a junior game where a parent was running the line, it reached about 10-0 and his son was appealing for offside to be told ‘like it makes a fucking difference’

Hutch11 · May 20, 2021

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Haha. reminds me of a time when I kept a ball in play on the wing, and found that the 'fat lad' had flagged it as going out. When i turned and shouted at him , his reply was 'well i didn't think you'd manage to get there in time'

Nor did we

richnrg · May 21, 2021

why not just spray the pitch with water before the game, connect it to the mains, and have some way of electrocuting a player if he went ofside during the game. Persistant offenders would soon learn to stay onside, negating the need for VAR.

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · May 21, 2021

richnrg said:
why not just spray the pitch with water before the game, connect it to the mains, and have some way of electrocuting a player if he went ofside during the game. Persistant offenders would soon learn to stay onside, negating the need for VAR.

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