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SBT

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  • Yesterday at 7:32 PM
  • #106
pusbccfc said:

Ed Balls missed his train because of the time wasting. Poetic.
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Adge

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  • Yesterday at 7:33 PM
  • #107
David O'Day said:
Yeah to be fair, I'll take this as half a bite

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Fair!
 

mmttww

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  • Yesterday at 7:37 PM
  • #108
Sky Blue Goblin said:
I don’t know the answer...
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it's that football is run by pricks who are too arrogant to copy rugby. Just stop the f*cking clock for subs and injuries. No arguments over how much time to add.

You'd still get sh*thousing to kill momentum and relieve pressure but the team on the receiving end of it can just chill because they know time is still there.
 
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Adge

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  • Yesterday at 7:41 PM
  • #109
Hullinho87 said:
Not strictly true, it is at the referee’s discretion how serious the injury is and whether they should leave the field of play, booking or not.
That player was clearly not seriously injured and did not require further treatment. He jogged at pretty much 3 quarter pace to attack the free kick.
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Indeed-which is another reason why that is the law-so the team offended by the tackle isn’t penalized and temporarily down to 10 men (instead of said player having to go off).
 
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robbiethemole

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  • Yesterday at 7:43 PM
  • #110
Gavin ‘ it’s all about me’ fucking Ward!!! Have you ever seen such a shit show from a ref? ( maybe Madeley ). I understand poor decisions but to get a rule wrong is disgraceful. Diallo was fouled, but has to leave the pitch after treatment surely. Frank is right, the refs are shite
 
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David O'Day

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  • Yesterday at 7:44 PM
  • #111
Adge said:
Indeed-which is another reason why that is the law-so the team offended by the tackle isn’t penalized and temporarily down to 10 men (instead of said player having to go off).
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Genuine question. When their keeper caught the corner and flopped with no one near, what can be down to stop that? I get if a keeper is genuinely hurt you need to stop but when it is clearly cheating what can you do?

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mark82

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  • Yesterday at 7:49 PM
  • #112
Have to say one thing, he did well with our goal not to give a foul against MVE, given some of the soft fouls he'd given against us all game. Was the correct decision, but I was 100% expecting him to rule it out given the way the game had gone.
 
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Hullinho87

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  • Yesterday at 7:50 PM
  • #113
Adge said:
Indeed-which is another reason why that is the law-so the team offended by the tackle isn’t penalized and temporarily down to 10 men (instead of said player having to go off).
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The leaving the pitch law is generally there to stop players slowing down play by feigning injury for the medical team to come on AND NOT leaning towards restricting teams by making a player leave the pitch when treated.
Otherwise every player would just jump up when the opposition player isn’t booked … they don’t and very very rarely do once the medical team have been called on by the ref.
 

Adge

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  • Yesterday at 7:51 PM
  • #114
David O'Day said:
Genuine question. When their keeper caught the corner and flopped with no one near, what can be down to stop that? I get if a keeper is genuinely hurt you need to stop but when it is clearly cheating what can you do?

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Nothing! The referee ALWAYS has to air on the side of caution and “player’s safety is always paramount”.
If the referee stops the game if the keeper goes down and the ball is in the penalty area-the restart of play is a dropped ball in the area to the keeper. It’s always a get out clause for a team who is under the hammer to use this tactic unfortunately and you will see it up and down the country this weekend
Ward didn’t have a great game in my opinion but he can only adhere to and interpret the laws of the game. 🫤
 
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SBT

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  • Yesterday at 7:52 PM
  • #115
mmttww said:
it's that football is run by pricks who are too arrogant to copy rugby. Just stop the f*cking clock for subs and injuries. No arguments over how much time to add.

You'd still get sh*thousing to kill momentum and relieve pressure but the team on the receiving end of it can just chill because they know time is still there.
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Allowing the clock to be stopped will make for exponentially more time wasting and cynical game management, not less.
 
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Warwickhunt

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  • Yesterday at 7:57 PM
  • #116
Nick said:
If the ball is in play like it was in that instance, yes.

Or every time the keeper gets an injury from a gust of wind and gets treatment, the captain goes off.
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Yes! I have been advocating that for ages! Or the centre half !
 

Adge

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  • Yesterday at 7:58 PM
  • #117
Hullinho87 said:
The leaving the pitch law is generally there to stop players slowing down play by feigning injury for the medical team to come on AND NOT leaning towards restricting teams by making a player leave the pitch when treated.
Otherwise every player would just jump up when the opposition player isn’t booked … they don’t and very very rarely do once the medical team have been called on by the ref.
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The Referee will always ask the player “do you want treatment” before inviting the physio onto the field of play. Obviously if it’s a serious injury, say a clash of heads, the referee will invite them on straight away.
So it’s the “injured players” call and by telling the referee that he requires treatment, said player knows that he will be leaving the field of play-unless the opponent who made a tackle etc has been cautioned.
 

mmttww

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  • Yesterday at 7:58 PM
  • #118
SBT said:
Allowing the clock to be stopped will make for exponentially more time wasting and cynical game management, not less.
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You don't think removing the main incentive for time wasting will have an effect? i.e. aiming to reduce the percentage of time the ball's in play across 90 mins.
 

Paul Anthony

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  • Yesterday at 7:59 PM
  • #119
mark82 said:
Have to say one thing, he did well with our goal not to give a foul against MVE, given some of the soft fouls he'd given against us all game. Was the correct decision, but I was 100% expecting him to rule it out given the way the game had gone.
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I must admit, when it went in the first thing I did was look at the ref and lino to see what they were going to cook up to rule it out.
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Yesterday at 7:59 PM
  • #120
The laws of the game don’t seem to help the refs, time wasting should be a booking for the player and a free kick in the position he has the ball.
They need to stop this goal kicks on either side and that should be timed.
When the sub goes off the amount of time it takes him to get to the touchline is the amount the new player has to wait before coming on.

Celebrations for goals limited amount of time and kick off they took an age after scoring to get ready.
 
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Williescar

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  • Yesterday at 8:00 PM
  • #121
robbiethemole said:
Gavin ‘ it’s all about me’ fucking Ward!!! Have you such a shit show from a ref? ( maybe Madeley ). I understand poor decisions but to get a rule wrong is disgraceful. Diallo was fouled, but has to leave the pitch after treatment surely. Frank is right, the refs are shite
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If the player who committed the foul is cautioned.The fouled player does not have to leave the pitch
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Yesterday at 8:01 PM
  • #122
mmttww said:
it's that football is run by pricks who are too arrogant to copy rugby. Just stop the f*cking clock for subs and injuries. No arguments over how much time to add.

You'd still get sh*thousing to kill momentum and relieve pressure but the team on the receiving end of it can just chill because they know time is still there.
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Thinking more of it what happened to the added time of the 23/24 season.

Some ridiculous time added on but seemed more fair for me personally
 

chiefdave

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  • Yesterday at 8:03 PM
  • #123
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Celebrations for goals limited amount of time and kick off they took an age after scoring to get ready.
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they stopped for a team meeting after their goal, was ridiculous
 
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clint van damme

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  • Yesterday at 8:22 PM
  • #124
pusbccfc said:

Ed Balls missed his train because of the time wasting. Poetic.
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At last a positive from the pathetic rail service
 
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robbiethemole

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  • Yesterday at 8:34 PM
  • #125
Williescar said:
If the player who committed the foul is cautioned.The fouled player does not have to leave the pitch
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ok , didn't realise that. thanks.
 

clint van damme

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  • Yesterday at 8:35 PM
  • #126
mmttww said:
it's that football is run by pricks who are too arrogant to copy rugby. Just stop the f*cking clock for subs and injuries. No arguments over how much time to add.

You'd still get sh*thousing to kill momentum and relieve pressure but the team on the receiving end of it can just chill because they know time is still there.
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To be fair, if you're a sporting body, not copying rugby should probably be your default position given the mess that they've gotten themselves into.
 

mmttww

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  • Yesterday at 8:42 PM
  • #127
clint van damme said:
not copying rugby should probably be your default position given the mess that they've gotten themselves into.
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Yeah, but from an officiating POV, feels like they've handled stuff we're saying we'd like to see handled without complicating stuff.
 
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wingy

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  • Yesterday at 8:49 PM
  • #128
clint van damme said:
At last a positive from the pathetic rail service
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Maybe if he has any influence anymore?
Back to the matter in hand,surely there's enough data for the refs to have an Idea by now between home teams and away,there must be a difference,as i said earlier player's are obviously coached to do it,anylise it and conclude that it is a tactic where there is no advantage for the home team being at home ,now get on with it refs boby and come up with an equation that negates it!
 

PUSB-We_are_going_up

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  • Yesterday at 8:52 PM
  • #129
Just gets worse and worse, today I was raging from minute 1 with the officials. Terrible officiating ruined what could have been a good game
 
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clint van damme

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  • Yesterday at 8:54 PM
  • #130
mmttww said:
Yeah, but from an officiating POV, feels like they've handled stuff we're saying we'd like to see handled without complicating stuff.
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Something needs to be done, I agree
 

chiefdave

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  • Yesterday at 9:02 PM
  • #131
Bobby Thomas just posted this, something tells me he didn't think the officiating was great today

 
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robbiethemole

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  • Yesterday at 9:09 PM
  • #132
I wonder what Ward's adjudicator will mark him?? I'd give him 2/10 for booking timewasting in the first half, but fuck all else!
 

procdoc

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  • Yesterday at 9:37 PM
  • #133
I’m not one to normally blame officials for stuff, but the c**t today is as bad as it gets. Awful
 
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wingy

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  • Yesterday at 9:39 PM
  • #134
PUSB-We_are_going_up said:
Just gets worse and worse, today I was raging from minute 1 with the officials. Terrible officiating ruined what could have been a good game
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Me too, ended up walking away with ten to go,was embarrassing myself.
 

oakey

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  • Yesterday at 9:48 PM
  • #135
Once the referee clocks deliberate time wasting ... Call the captain over. Tell him the next piece of time wasting from your team and I play on then book you. Second time you're off
 
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blunted

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  • Yesterday at 9:50 PM
  • #136
Skyblue Bangkok said:
Wright dived
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Wright says he was fouled and Lamps said it was a pen. Think Haji made the most of it but they both claimed it was legit.
 

shmmeee

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  • Yesterday at 9:53 PM
  • #137
Adge said:
Nothing! The referee ALWAYS has to air on the side of caution and “player’s safety is always paramount”.
If the referee stops the game if the keeper goes down and the ball is in the penalty area-the restart of play is a dropped ball in the area to the keeper. It’s always a get out clause for a team who is under the hammer to use this tactic unfortunately and you will see it up and down the country this weekend
Ward didn’t have a great game in my opinion but he can only adhere to and interpret the laws of the game. 🫤
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Can you list the players who have had their safety harmed by the game not being stopped?

These aren’t real injuries and that’s obvious to everyone in the ground. When a player gets up he should be booked for simulation and trying to deceive the referee into stopping the game for a more serious injury.
 
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Adge

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  • Yesterday at 10:32 PM
  • #138
shmmeee said:
Can you list the players who have had their safety harmed by the game not being stopped?

These aren’t real injuries and that’s obvious to everyone in the ground. When a player gets up he should be booked for simulation and trying to deceive the referee into stopping the game for a more serious injury.
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Trouble is is that the referee is responsible for the player’s safety at all times and what happens on the pitch is ultimately his responsibility to a degree. This is why the game will always be stopped. It would take just one occasion when the referee didn’t stop the game and it resulted in a major injury or career ending injury for that referee to be held accountable. It’s a no win situation unfortunately.
 

chiefdave

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  • Yesterday at 10:37 PM
  • #139
Adge said:
This is why the game will always be stopped. It would take just one occasion when the referee didn’t stop the game and it resulted in a major injury or career ending injury for that referee to be held accountable
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why is the referee is the only person in the stadium not capable of telling the difference between a major injury and someone falling to the floor when clearly nobody has touched them.

we all know instantly when its a major injury, if nothing else the players reaction gives it away.

don't understand why this is such an issue in football but every other sport has managed to avoid it.
 
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SwanLane

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  • Yesterday at 11:05 PM
  • #140
I hate myself for going on about the ref. We were shit in front of goal and that’s why we didn’t win.

But that performance from the ref if you want to call it that was shite. You coukd see him turning his back on their time wasting. Deliberately ignoring some of it. 3 bookings wasn’t enough. He was so piss weak that he allowed Grimes to talk him out of booking Sakamoto (he had his card out), Saka had been getting shirt tugged and shoulder charged with no protection. Yet as soon as Dasilva commits a minor foul against an opponent almost twice his size, the ref’s all over it. Clear to see the Norwich keeper catch the corner and a teammate tells him to feign injury. So he grabs his back like he’s got kidney stones. Lino should have seen that but there seemed to be no discussion / communication. Gut feeling that 9 mins wasn’t enough and to blow up exactly on 9 was a piss take and a massive fuck-you to the city fans who’d rightly given him pelters.

Norwich were wasting time from the moment they scored. i rate them as a proper club but that’s embarrassing. Manning a Norwich boy too. Tut tut.
 
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